Jediphile

Wow. Only one voice of support for my Sentinel-turned-Jedi Master or Sith Lord (I consider them the same - since they have virtually the same abilities at opposite ends of the alignment scale...). I'm surprised - I thought the Sentinel/Sith Lord combination was so powerful, and I really can't wait to play a Sentinel/Jedi Master with Force Enlightenment and lots of force powers (with Force Storm as probably the only DS one)

"Oh my God - they killed Carth!" "The b......!"

Yes, but I think that we will see that soon in Jedi Raider - the adventures of Crara Loft :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When's it due? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As Obsidian would say - SOON! :D

I think the view you express is woefully incorrect, unless you're joking. Rights only matter when the time comes to test them. Just because someone did horrible things does not make it acceptable to do similar in return. Or am I to assume that Hitler should have been sent to the gaschamber if captured, or that Saddam Hussein should be executed by the same biological weapons he used himself? No, you don't respond in kind in such cases. If you did, then you admit that you're no better than the person you seek to judge. But yes, you have put your finger on where the masters went wrong - they made themselves almost as guilty as Revan himself by doing to him what he would have done to others... I sense the dark side beckoning... Better than risk his memories coming back while searching through the galaxy with only young, inexperienced Bastila to handle the situation? It's a big risk no matter how you look at it. Interestingly the masters did not choose the more ethical option. I really don't see sending Revan off into the galaxy with only young, little Bastila as "guard" to sort it out if Revan's memories suddenly returned... Oh, they sent Juhani along... Still, she had just turned to the dark side And she only comes along if Revan turns her back to the light side, yet that good act gains him no credit or trust...

I'd agree so far. Whoever Nihilus used to be - he died on Malachor. The only thing left is the shell, because Nihilus used the body as a host to manifest himself in. But there is no life in him. And I'd also agree that the Exile is completely unaware of it all. I guess he senses it on a subconscious level, since he did make a choice and does use his bonding ability, but he is not consciously aware of it, no. I he were, he would not need to seek out the masters for an answer to how his force bonding works. I do not agree that the Exile cut others off from the force, however. If he had, Revan and Malak would have suddenly had a large proportion of their converted jedi cut off from the force, and that doesn't seem to have happened. The Exile does not possess the ability to cut others off from the force - he just has the ability to form force bonds, and his greater instincts with this is what "allowed" him to sever his force tie. It let him deny the force, but he did not do so on purpose. As Kreia said, the ability cannot be taught, only experienced and used instinctively. As the masters explain, the Exile's force bonds made him feel all the suffering, and it was this very sensitivity that gave him the ability to resist - it's like a headache that you can suddenly fight because it's so intense that you act on it and resist it on instinct. The Exile's instinct was the cut his tie to the force so that the pain would stop. But I don't believe he can do it to others. Because the Exile is unique. He alone had force bonds that allowed him to experience such pain and suffering that he could react on instinct at sever his own tie to the force. As Kreia says, he alone turned away, but it was because he had no other choice. The place has a corrupting influence on all who go there, and so it was perfect for Revan's plans of jedi conversion. It did not affect the Exile directly, though, as much as it augmented the intensity with which he felt pain and suffering when the mass shadow generator was activated. What happened to him and caused the wound in the force might not have happened in another place, because the horror would not have been as profound. Yes, but though I have said otherwise myself in the past, I'm beginning to wonder if choice is not the wrong word. The Exile had no choice but to fight the horror he experienced. It was instinct, not choice, I think. The Exile/Nihilus link is problematic, because while I continue to think that Nihilus is the side of himself that the Exile instictively cast away, that doesn't explain why it was animated as Nihilus. As others have said, if it's just the dark twin of the exile, then why doesn't Nihilus' gender seem to change depending on whether you play male or female? I think Nihilus or rather his body wasn't just any jedi. For the relationship to be this powerful, it must have been someone that the Exile had a close and strong force bond with. I've speculated that it could have been the Exile's master, because I think that is the most obvious explanation, but it could also have been a very close friend or a relative (like Ulic and Cay Qel-Droma are brothers and fellow jedi as well). I actually don't think the other jedi had any choice. The Exile's forcebonding ability is at the core here, since it is what forces the Exile to experience such pain that he instinctively flees from it, which means severed his ties to the force and incidentally saving him from his dark fate... at least for a time. The Exile has been in denial about what happened for a decade, though, and must soon come to terms with what really happened. Yes, their power is exactly the same. I think they shared a powerful force bond, and then when the tragedy happened on Malachor V, the person that would become Nihilus died on Malachor. But even as he did, the Exile cut himself away from the force to avoid the pain he felt, and the wound and the anguish and dark side energies that were flowing to him through his force bonding ability with others instead got channelled to the strongest of his force bonds that remained, which led to the dead Nihilus. This created a dark being with the same powers, but which has no real life. Nihilus is the manifestation of the wound that the Exile created, and he carries all of the Exile's rejected powers and darkness with him. I don't think Nihilus did anything to Exile - the transference was all one way, as far as I can tell. Nihilus hungers for force sensitives because the force is life, and he has none of his own, and he craves it because otherwise he will simply cease to exist. And he is always looking for life, though he is not quite aware of it himself. Indeed, he is looking for specific life - he is looking for the Exile. Their disrupted nature draws him to the Exile - not purposefully, since Nihilus has no sense of awareness, it is all instinct - because he seeks to be "whole" again by reconnecting to his true self, which is the Exile. But the Exile has been gone for a decade, and so he has had to sustain himself in other ways. His hunger has grown so great at the beginning of the game, though, that it is becoming impossible for anyone to ignore. And here is perhaps the answer to something I never understood in the plot - just why is the Exile coming back to the Republic? Yes, I know Atris manipulated the events, but the Exile was never forced to go back, so why is he? Might be because he is himself drawn subconsciously to what he left behind? Nihilus certainly senses him and promptly uses Visas to find him. It is odd that she goes so quickly from serving Nihilus to serving the Exile, but it might be because she too senses on some subconscious level that they are the same. And she is perhaps more drawn to serving the Exile, since he the "real" entity. I pesonally think we will know... In K3.

Yes, but I think that we will see that soon in Jedi Raider - the adventures of Crara Loft :D

I've played the game through twice now. After trying out the base classes, I found that I liked the Sentinel best and played that. On my first play through, I switched to jedi weapon master and tore the enemies apart. It was okay for war, but didn't use the Force so much (unless you used some infinte xp points, but I couldn't be bothered... much ) Then I decided to see the DS side of the game. I heard the Sentinel/Sith Lord combination was pretty powerful, so I tried that. I must say it was very effective. My character was really a monster in lightsaber battles, even though she didn't have a dedicated combat-oriented class, and the combination with force powers made her unstopable, especially toward the end where powers like Force Crush could waste single enemies without danger. If there were more, I went in, threw them to the ground with Force Wave, then toasted them with Force Storm a few times - end of story. But I'm really more a light side kind of guy and don't enjoy playing DS so much... As the Restoration Team begins to finish stuff, I intend to start over, and I guess many others will do the same. So which combinations of starting class and prestige class are you considering? I think I might go for the Sentinel/Jedi Master this time, if only to see if it's as powerful as the sentinel/sith lord combination was... Anyone think that's a good combination?

We really don't know what happened to the Harbinger, but even if it was completely destroyed, Sion really couldn't have cared less, I think... I mean, this is a guy who has had every bone in his body shattered hundreds of times over (I wonder if the origin of that was the mass shadow generator on Malachor V - it seems to make sense...), so what does he really care if the ship explodes in a huge ball of fire? I can see it now as he stands on the bridge and watches the explosions of the asteroids coming closer... Sith assassin: "Lord Sion - the asteroids - the ship will be the destroyed! We're all going to die!!" Sion looks at the explosions: "Fine. Go ahead and blow me to kingdom come - see if I care..."

You're preaching to the choir, since I think most, if not all, have said that this should not be a KotOR title. After all, no jedi in a game called "Knights of the Old Republic" would be rather odd... " :D As for companions/NPCs in K3, I actually support the idea of fewer group members or recurring NPCs. For example, you could meet, say, Zaalbar on one planet and have him join you there, but not travel with you - if you leave the planet, then he stays until you come back. And his presence in the party would be quest-based - when you begin the relevant quest he joins, and when you finish it he leaves. Never saw the need for all those characters in the games. I never used them all in K1, and yet they had more in K2. Yes, many of them were interesting, but who really used T3 in K1 or GOTO in K2 ??? I know I didn't... Obviously the main villains of K3 must be the true Sith...

My problem with that theory is that it doesn't explain the relationship that clearly seems to exist between the Exile and Nihilus. It also runs contrary with Kreia's comments about Nihilus 'already being dead'. The masters tell us that the threat they face - which is Nihilus - is tied the exile and that they have from the exile what they felt when Nihilus destroyed the jedi on Katarr. They also say that 'these jedi', which I take to mean Nihilus, since they haven't truly identified him yet, have learned what they can do from the exile. Again, it all flows right back to the exile personally and not just what happened on Malachor V. This I doubt for several reasons: 1. There would be a lot more Nihili? (plural of Nihilus) 2. It doesn't explain the close relationship and similar powers of the Exile and Nihilus. 3. The masters would not have drawn the conclusion that the Nihilus learned his power from the Exile. 4. Nihilus being "merely" a perverted jedi does not fit with Kreia's comments that he is no longaer and is already dead. Actually I like the plot. The problem lies in the storytelling, I think. Since the production was rushed, they just didn't get around to telling the final bits well, and those were the ones that carried the story. They do not succeed in justifying the masters decision to cut the exile off the force because they don't explain it well - you just get all this information thrown in your face in two seconds and have to deal with it, and you go WTF?? The revelation of the Exile's power/curse should have been much more gradual, so that you really saw the horror of it when the secret finally came out. Instead it's just, "Hey, you're a wound in the force leeching life from others, don't you know, so we'll just cut you off now, if it's all the same to you..." The plot and how it was told was hurt by the rushed ending, because it means the game takes a huge turn to the left toward the end, and you end up follow the plot simply because you have no other choice as you fight to grasp just what is going on.

You mean Kreia was the Exile's master before the Mandalorian Wars? This I doubt. You could speculate on it, I guess, but I think there is at least one good point against that being the case - when you meet with the masters on Dantooine and Kreia enters, they are shocked to see her and astounded that she could be the Exile's new master. That doesn't suggest to me that she ever had any relationship with the Exile before, since the masters clearly know both her and the Exile fairly well.

Oh, I'd give them the slack, but the fact remains that they used Revan as a tool when it suited their purposes. If it turns out that Revan was planning this actions toward the greater threat of opposing the true Sith, then the masters are scarcely in a position to point fingers. Besides, using and manipulating people is not a trait of the light side... But I could accept it if the masters acknowledged their responsibility after the fact and admitted that their actions were dictated by necessity and that making the moral choice was too risky. The point there is that they don't try to sweep the choice under the carpet as if it was okay just on the basis of being necssary - it might have been, but you don't run away from the responsibility afterwards, not if you're a jedi master and try to set a higher moral standard for others to follow. And take a look at Vrook in K2 - does he strike you with his comments about Revan, even if I set Revan to LS, as someone who is humbled because he took part in a dirty little jedi secret and used Revan against his will? Not my impression...

Atris will never follow you, but if you can persuade her she may agree to charge you finding the jedi and say that you are welcome back in her base. It really doesn't matter, though, since you never have the option to do so. You will come back, but that is dictated by the linear plot, not by any player choice. I think the rest was already answered.

Yes, but that's only part of it. The real problem is that the Exile doesn't even realise his own potential and doesn't use his powers anywhere near to the extent he could. If he realised his potential and used it, he could destroy the force itself. And yet that danger is still only part of the problem. As the masters say, the Sith's power - Nihilus' power - is tied to the exile directly, and if the wound that the Exile represents is closed, then the abuse of his power would also be closed, including the power that Nihilus holds. Taking that into account, the masters choice is understandable, if extreme - they can end several great threats by simply cutting the Exile off of the force. I don't see it quite that way, though. To me Nihilus didn't merely learn the power by being in the proximity of the Exile on Malachor V - if that had been the case, then you would have had several - erm... Nihilii?? (well, plural for Nihilus) and you don't - you just have one. Why? Well, it's all tied to force bonds, and note what Zez-Kai Ell has to say about that on Nar Shaddaa Zez-Kai Ell: "such bonds are a connection that can be formed at moments of crisis - or in the slow understanding that grows between master and apprentice.It is most common between two beings who are sensitive to the Force. It allows the transmission of feelings, of influence. {Musing}It was something you were gifted with, as I recall, before your fall. You formed such attachments easier than most - even to those who could feel the Force only faintly. {Rueful}Even Vrook could not ignore it, which is saying something. {Frowns}That is most unusual - and unnatural. I have never heard of a bond of such strength. There were a few within the Order who knew more than I did of such bonds - but their students were few, lost in the Mandalorian Wars. It was rumored that Revan studied such bonding deeply, both through the Jedi histories and with certain teachers, before he left the Order and went to war. It was rumored that Revan studied such bonding deeply, both through the Jedi histories and with certain teachers, before he left the Order and went to war. I do not know - a bond between two living beings is not something easily broken. It not a choice... it is like breaking a feeling. Like turning away from the Force.To break a bond, your feelings would have to change, or one of you would have to die - but even then, the bond wouldn't go away, it would simply... it would simply be empty, a wound.{Becomes quieter at the end}One of you would have to die, but even then, the bond wouldn't go away, it would simply... it would simply be empty, a wound." I find this bit really telling. Even with the Exile's unique abilities for force bonding, it would still take something rather major to produce the results of Malachor V. What is interesting to me is the bit he says about the bond between master and apprentice. We don't know who the Exile's master was - we're never told - but if he was on Malachor V and died there, then you had yet another factor - you have the Exile's powerful force bonds, you have the unique corruptive nature of Malachor, you have the deep bond between master and apprentice, and you have a crisis. And note how Zez-Kai Ell describes the consequences of breaking a force bond - it would leave a wound... Well, that's exactly what we have here, and it may also explain why Kreia *wants* the Exile to kill her in the end - she *knows* it will leave a wound, and maybe by killing her, the Exile granted her final victory by wounding the force even further... But I still find the master/apprentice relationship interesting in relation to what its significance might be, if the Exile's master was at Malachor V. Lots of jedi died there, but if the Exile's master was killed - the one person the Exile would have a uniquely powerful force bond with - then the consequences could be far worse, and that might be the source of the force wound the Exile has created. His master is dead, he is falling to the dark side, he cannot bear the pain and suffering being imposed upon him by the bonds... So what does he do? He tears the bonds apart, he denies the force, he casts out a part of himself, as he would cut off an arm infected with gangrene, before it can infect him... And where does the "rot" go? It travels along the severed bond to his dead master, turning him into an undead being - the master remains dead, but his body is animated by the part of himself that the Exile has denied and becomes a host to that dark part. He becomes an undead thing, a "force vampire" that has no true life and so must drain it from other force sensitives. As Kreia says, he cannot truly be called a man anymore... Kreia: "Power? Do you think so? You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."

The Star Wars universe does tend to have the force and the LS/DS struggle at its heart in most plots, but it doesn't need to. All good plots needs villains, and we have plenty of non-force-sensitives to choose from, such as: The Hutts The Exchange/GOTO - or Black Sun Czerka Genoharadan Empire or Remnant (movies era) For example, Czerka and the Exchange are still active in KotOR, but we hear nothing about them later on. So a game where they are major bad guys could be made, in which the player eventually brings either or both organizations down.

The Exile cut himself off from the force, yes, but that's not all he did - he also wounded the force itself in the process. It's a unique ability to deny the force and thereby wound it, and that ability is something the jedi masters fear. He did not do it out of desperation, though. As the masters explain, the Exile forms force bonds easily with others, but just as this means he makes attachments easily, it also means that he suffers when those he has formed these bonds with suffer, and this is especially true for those strong in the force, like the jedi. On Malachor V, a great many jedi that the Exile had fought with and thus formed such bonds with suffered and died horribly, or were corrupted according to Revan's plan. Feeling their pain and anguish through the force was too much for the Exile, and that is why he instinctively cut himself off from the force - doing otherwise would have driven him mad or even killed him. That he thereby rejected his own corruption may even be considered incidental in this context. And yes, like the others on Malachor V the Exile was to fall the dark side, I think. The only reason why he didn't was because he, as the masters put it, was deafened to the force by the suffering he experienced there through his force bonds. His bonds are both a gift and a curse - he may gain power from them, but they also transmit pain to him, and he cannot escape that... except by cutting himself off from the force. That's the reason for some of Kreia's comments in the end. If you're LS, she says that you're not a jedi, not really. If you're DS, she says that you're not really a sith... That is true because the Exile has cut himself off from the usual LS/DS bias. He can access the powers through his force bonds, but he really isn't that affected by either side. Personally I tend to see this as a repression of reality, since the Exile wouldn't accept the truth, and his denial, I believe, has caused a sort of "force neurosis". Note a few of the comments the masters make, when the pass their sentense on Dantooine: "When we felt Katarr die, there is something we felt, something we'd felt once before. An echo in the Force.We'd felt it before when you stood before us. Whatever this threat, whatever this hunger is, it is something tied to you, something you have experienced directly. This echo travels in the places where death has walked, where planets have died. Massacres fuel its power, the death of life fuels it." And a bit later... "The Sith are a threat, it is true. But the threat they present... it is tied to you in some way. The echo we have felt on the worlds we have walked - we have encountered it only once before, when you stood before us at your trial.We believe that somehow, you are creating this - or that the Sith have learned this technique from you." What I find interesting in this is that the masters are convinced that Sith threat they faced is somehow tied to the Exile himself, because they felt the same thing when Katarr "died" as they did from him the day they exiled him. Now note something says about Nihilus' powers: Kreia: "It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand." Given what the masters tell us, does not that suggest a striking similary between the powers of the Exile and Nihilus? It's all about connections to life and powers of instinct, and since we know that Nihilus "destroyed" Katarr, it is obvious that the masters see a connection between the Exile and Nihilus. But even if all the clues are there, it is interesting that nobody ever draws the conclusion or at least says it out loud in the game. Since we know that Nihilus was created by the destructive forces of Malachor, we could argue that he is what remains from a jedi who was there at the time, but I don't think so. After all, Nihilus was not there alone, and neither Kreia (Darth Traya) or Sion has his power to "drain" the force, even though they all studied together at the Trayus Academy. But the Exile has that power! So I think the connection is closer than merely being on Malachor at the time, and that is why I think that Nihilus *is* the Exile and vice versa - Nihilus is the "force neurosis" that the Exile created on Malachor V.

... with a blaster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, actually no. Or at least, I haven't seen any dialogue or information to suggest that. The only thing HK-47 says about is: "Recollection: The last thing I remember is having my core wiped from the last five years. I believe my master was responsible." That doesn't suggest to me that Revan used a blaster for it. It's not an impossible idea, but there is nothing to support it.

It did, in a sense. Remember what HK-47 says about Revan using Malachor V as a conversion tool that turned the jedi to evil and made them loyal only to Revan's cause. HK-47: "Observation: Master, that was the lesson of Malachor. Any Jedi involved in the systematic slaughter on such a scale cannot help but doubt and question themselves.Observation: Master, I do not believe that the Mandalorians were the true target at Malachor - I believe that the intention was to destroy the Jedi, break their will, and make them loyal to Revan." This happened to all the jedi there - they either turned to the dark side or were killed on Malachor as Revan intended... Except for the Exile - he alone resisted Revan's intentions and avoided corruption. But he did so by wounding the force, when it tried to impose its will upon him, and that wound is focal point of the plot in K2. Kreia says it after killing the masters... Kreia: "There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on its surface, drowns them in the power of the dark side - it corrupts all life. And it feeds on death. Revan knew the power of such places... and the power in making them. They can be used to break the will of others... of Jedi, promising them power, and turning them to the dark side.Did you never wonder how Revan corrupted so many of the Jedi, so much of the Republic, so quickly?The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion.Culminating a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from... save one.And that is what I sought to understand. How one could turn away from such power, give up the Force... and still live. But I see what happened now. It is because you had no choice.It is because you were afraid."

Revan didn't shoot HK up, he just shut him down... :D

I'd also recommend Persuade no matter which class you choose. Only the Exile may take Persuade, and it grants several conversation paths, so it's really a must IMHO. I always take and always place top priority on it. YMMV...

Actually, I think both T3 and HK went with Revan to the Unknown Regions and then returned with the ship. The recording of Bastila very clearly suggests that at least T3 was there... Bastila hologram: "I need you to be the beacon, T3. If he is lost out there, on the edge of the galaxy, if he finds whatever terrible thing he has seen, then he may not survive. If he doesn't make it back, then I need you to return to the Republic." There are comments by HK to suggest that he was damaged because Revan sabotaged or at least disconnected him. I guess Revan trusted T3 to go back or else he programmed him to.

Hmm, I've mentioned before that there seems to be a cut option to fight the Handmaidens in non-lethal combat upon the return to confront Atris, but now I've found something else that's interesting. It always struck me as odd that the Handmaiden joined the group. She may fall in love with the male Exile, but that seems unlikely to me from the brief conversation they have on Telos (the Disciple made more sense for the female Exile, since he knew her long ago). But now I've found voicefiles where Atris actually orders the Handmaiden to join the Exile's group and spy on him. Since they play as one almost uninterrupted sequence, I assume they were intended as a cutscene that never made it into the game. These files may be found in the \StreamVoice\262\ATRHAND folder. Interestingly one of the files (262ATRHAND015.wav) refers to the Exile as female, which is at odds with the current situation, where the Handmaiden only joins the group if the Exile is male. That seems to suggest that at least at one point the gender of the Exile was not a condition for Handmaiden being in the group. Is this cutscene something The Restoration Project team is aware of? I tried looking in the FAQ and Progress Report on the site, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned.

I take the fact that four pages of discussion on this topic as an indication that he or she was never mentioned in K2. Hmmm, that's actually rather interesting...

Probably, but that would actually be cool, too. I mean, depending your choices throughout the entire trilogy, you get to see various cutscenes that influence the ending. That could be good, I think. Hmm, thinking of what I did with Zaalbar in my proposed K3 plot, I wonder if Revan didn't charge him with assembling an army of Wookiees just as he did Canderous. I could see something like that in a cutscene, where the LS Revan tells Zaalbar to do this... "No, Zaalbar, you cannot come with me. Yes, I know you've sworn to always stay by my side, but the path I must now walk I must walk alone, since it is a path for the jedi alone. Just as you could not stand with me in the Rakatan temple, so you must now let me walk this path alone..." "But I do not wish to make you forsake your lifedebt. Indeed, if I survive the darkness that I must now face, then I will need strong allies to fight in the greatest war of our time, and the Republic is in no shape for that now. I have told Canderous to find the lost Mandalorians for this cause, but I fear that will not be enough. You can be of far greater help to me, if you can gather allies as well." "How? By uniting the Wookiees to our cause, Zaalbar. How many of your people have Czerka enslaved and scattered over the galaxy? How many of them have since rebelled and are now lost on foreign worlds? Find them, Zaalbar! Find them and unite them! For if I succeed in my task, then I will need their aid in the final war that will shape the future of the galaxy. Or something along those lines...

One reason is probably that the deadline was approaching. Remember that the verdict of the masters comes right at the time where the plot begins going downhill in most people's opinions. It's not even that the masters' decision is even that horrible - it is understandable to an extent, after all. The problem is that it's just badly written. While Vrook would not hesitate for a second to condemn you, it makes no sense that they all do so, especially not Zez-Kai Ell. As Kreia says: "He has brought truth, and you condemn it? The arrogance!" For Zez-Kai Ell, this is an utter contradiction of what he told you about how he left the jedi because they would not reevaluate their own principles and teachings, and yet he now blindly stands behind the decision to sever the Exile from the force. That doesn't add up. It is far more important to stress in this situation that the masters reach the decision they do, because the wound the Exile has brought to the force is too dangerous, since it could destroy the force and, perhaps all life with it, while Kreia doesn't care, because she hates the force and is perfectly willing to take that risk. But that is never pointed out, and the masters don't even give the Exile a choice to voice his own take on the matter - they don't even allow the condemned to make a comment on their sentense... Bad storytelling there, I think... It would have been far more moving if Kavar and especially Zez-Kai Ell had been show to have genuine regret and sorrow about the decision, and yet know that they had to do it anyway... If you're playing LS, you could even have a sequence where the Exile accepts the sentense willingly only to have Kreia enter and stop it by killing the masters, thereby robbing you of ending the danger you present to the force, since she just won't let you take that option, and so imposes her goal on you over your own choice.