Jediphile

What I find interesting about Nihilus' mask plotwise is that it seems to end up in the hands of the Exile.

Kae was thought to have died, but strangely her body was never recovered. Isn't it rather odd that they found her robes (which Handmaiden wears) but not her body? Unless, of course, she abandoned her jedi robes for some reason... As for Kavar, what was actually said was this: Kavar: "I thought you had died in the Mandalorian Wars..." Kreia: "Die? No - became stronger, yes." Open to interpretation, but to me "in" means "participating in the war" more than "duirng the time of the war", since if it had been the latter, Kavar would simply have said, "I though you had during the Mandalorian Wars..." Besides, if Kreia is Kae, it ties very nicely how she fought in the war and then found the Trayus Academy once it was over, doesn't it? Sure, you could argue that Kae died and Kreia arrived on Malachor V shortly after to find the academy, but that's a pretty big coincidence...

Mical was a hopeful padawan (youngling?) at the time, so he certainly would have first hand experience of what was going on in the jedi circles at the very time when Kreia was exiled, so the chances are good that he would be able to tell the Exile things that Kreia doesn't want the Exile to know about. Of course, we could then argue that the Exile should remember himself, but then there are indications that the Exile's memory is also compromised by Kreia's manipulation - I always wondered when she said that she didn't alter my memory, but that I wouldn't know if she had... Besides, the Exile left the jedi order with Revan, leaving Mical behind, so Mical would have been there to experience some things that the Exile didn't, especially when you consider that Mical has since been studying jedi history for the Republic. He may have found out far more than Kreia would have liked him to. There are several factors that suggest this is the case, and none of the nay-sayers have been able to conclusively prove that she is not - and let me assure that it's not for a lack of trying!

Don't know if she's my favorite on the show - Adama is pretty complex - but she sure is funny: "You should leave - I'm getting an urge to strike another superior ****" :D

And yet a basis that Lucas has revised. Don't get me wrong - I hate the "Greedo shoots first"-idea too, since it takes away from some of the defining characteristics of Han Solo, but Lucas decided to change, so his revision is canon now, not the original... Yes, I agree that this sucks. Fair enough, but I've been watching that long as well, and I completely disagree.

Oh, I agree that Kreia is indeed Kae for that reason. Or as Garak would put it, "I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences!" <_< Still, it's not proof, just circumstantial evidence. What really convinces me more than anything is how the "Kreia is NOT Kae"-crowd refuse to even consider those observations even if we admit that it's not proof. That reaction suggests to me that people disagree mainly because they don't like the idea of evil-old-hag Kreia being nice-innocent-little Handmaiden's mother, which really isn't an argument at all - the truth is rarely pretty.

Personally I long for a game where someone in authority identifies your character as "the chosen one" and makes it public knowledge only to then later have it revealed to the player that it's just a hoax to raise hope in the future among the population, and the main character was "chosen" only because it was really convenient at the time...

If we're to look for an explanation, I suppose we'd have to look at the state the Ebon Hawk was in after the Sith attack during the prologue of the game - it was pretty banged up with large holes, yet it still made it to Peragus. The Ebon Hawk was probably still badly damaged during the LS ending, but I guess the logic is that if the whole planet is falling apart, then you take your chance and see whether the bloody thing will hang together and be spaceworthy enough to save your hide. Bao-Dur may or may not have been dead (the Ebon Hawk being able to fly again would suggest he did indeed survive), but then T3 repaired the Ebon Hawk enough to make it to Peragus all by himself during the prologue. I imagine a banged up Ebon Hawk with huge holes in it and where only force fields that make large parts of the ship unavailable to the crew during its final escape from Malachor V.

I don't see how you can speak for that group in general. I, for one, would like to say that this is not the case for me, since I always considered the comic books that Marvel put out at the time as canon. The Thrawn trilogy (novels) and the Dark Empire comic books came later (around 92), but they're better than most of the Marvel stuff and were just as much canon to me. I don't think that's right either. The only one who can okay new films is Lucas, and he's got enough cash as it is - he really didn't need to make the prequel trilogy just to make some fast $$. The prequel trilogy can be criticised for many things, but I don't think this is one of them. We've yet to establish that. I don't think the various authors and artists involved in Star Wars novels and comics over the last few decades see themselves as "fans". Some of them are professional people. Aaron Allston (who wrote some of the X-Wing novels) was a professional D&D game designer for years and still highly respected for much of the work he did at the time, for example. Pardon me, but do you mean to sound elistist? If you like only the original movies, then that's fine, but it's still just an opinion - it doesn't mean that all other Star Wars is low quality by definition.

one way to look at it is that, while you may have other students, you have one "special student" and you (the PC) can even initiate a force bond with that person. also, the special student could also be designated as First Mate of the ship and have PC-like attributes (such as the Persuade skill) if and when the game goes multithreaded. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Given that the jedi order has been all but annihilated by the Sith, it's probably fair to say that several "masters" (which in this context just means "jedi who have moved beyond being padawans and could train younglings to be padawans") would have to take multiple students until the order can rebuild. Planets I'd like to see are still: Coruscant Alderaan Myrkr Sleheyron Ch'hodos or perhaps Korriban Rhelg (private world of Ludo Kressh) Khar Shian (moon of Khar Delba, Naga Sadow's world) Ziost the last four are all worlds of the ancient ("true") Sith

If the evidence is forged, the GM can also make a point of some of the PCs having it made and then keeping from more LG PCs how they came into possession of this evidence - the PCs behind the forgery know this is the only way to bring the bad guys down, but they also know that LGs would never go along with it, and so they keep quiet about it. A basis for a little inter-group dissent is always good...

From Wikipedia : ''A book version of the movie was credited to have been written by George Lucas himself, but in reality was ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster, who went on to write the first Expanded Universe novel, Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Certain scenes deleted from the film (and later restored or archived in DVD bonus features) were present in the novel, such as Luke at Toschi Station with Biggs and the encounter between Han and Jabba in Docking Bay 94. Also, some scenes from the movie were included in the novel's photo insert which never made the original film (such as a stormtrooper riding on a Dewback). Some of the material was omitted from the film by Lucas to maintain a linear narrative.'' EU. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That quote actually contradicts your point about the novelization of the original movie ("A New Hope"), since is says that Alan Dean Foster wrote it and then went on to writing the first ever EU novel. By that logic, the novelization of Ep. IV cannot be EU, since "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" is said to be the first EU novel, and the Ep. IV novel was written before that...

WRONG! The term Sith was used in the original script of A New Hope and in the novel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can you hear or read it IN THE MOVIES? No! The novel came after the movie, so it's EU. The original script changed and it was cut. If it's not in the OT, it's EU and it's filler. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That doesn't quite add up... I knew a guy several years ago who read the book and was then actually a bit disappointed when the movie came out - note that this was way back in the 76-77 period, when the first movie came out, so I'm pretty sure the book was released at the same as the film or before. And either way, GL certainly wrote the book before the movie was released.

BSG is good all around. When Ron Moore left Star Trek, he took the quality that made DS9 interesting with him, it seems. So far the whole thing has been very well done plotwise. Of course, you have wonderful actors in some important roles. I actually think it's quite a scoop that they got Edward James Olmos to be the new Adama. He didn't seem right to me when I first heard he had the role, but I must admit that he does a brilliant job. I also love how deep he really is, which naturally is the foundation for the dissent between him and Cain in the recent Pegasus arc. The fact that he too plots against her is nail-bitingly scary. And Jim Callis is brilliant as Baltar - so much more interesting than the incredibly stereotypical Baltar of the original show. Baltar is still a traitor, but he's not really an enemy - he's just willing to betray the others to save his own neck. My biggest fear recently has been that he would be president if Roslyn died. Then there are the visual effects, of course. It's easy (though expensive) fodder for the fans, but boy are there many ships on screen during the fights! I also think the music does much for this show, since it's quite different to most we've heard before. The fights are underscored by solo drums, while Baltar's hallucinations have their own distinctive music.

When did I do that? Damn, why don't people ever tell me these things...

I have to admit that the last FO2 character I played was a female Big Guns sniper who had 10 in all stats. No, I didn't use a hex-editor to cheat, I just exploited a bug in the game, which does let you reach 10 in all stats if you plan your strategy right. Some stats need to be very low from the beginning, however, so before exploing the bug, the game is difficult indeed. Favorite line from FO2? "Wow! I feel as if I've passed some arbitrary experience value and gained more power!" - Marcus That line says all I hate about level-based RPGs so well

The thing with PnP is that you can't save the game before dangerous confrontations... " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Also, PnP, alone, is boring. Video gaming, alone, is not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You play video games only because your friends didn't have time to play PnP... Given the choice, I'd go for PnP every time. Video games are just poor replacements for fun with my friends. Oh, and PnP is not boring alone - it's impossible... Unless you have a multiple personality disorder, which I don't... and neither do I

Except that this is the problem right in the original trilogy as well. I realise lots of people dislike the EU, but I actually find it impressive that they can tell so many stories without great numbers of gaping plotholes. And if Lucas has put one of his own right there in the movies, even the original three, then can you blame them if something goes wrong in the EU? They can at least claim that there are 'too many cooks', but the movies are by Lucas alone, so the criticism against him would be more severe, I think, since we can actually expect that he keeps his major but limited part of the story straight.

Begone you vile Sithspawn!!!!! :D

The thing with PnP is that you can't save the game before dangerous confrontations... "

Someone please explain to me how the Dark Lord of the Sith title actually works. The way I figured it, there is only one, and you gain the position by killing the ruling Dark Lord. Okay, but then how can Vader be Dark Lord of the Sith while Sidious clearly still lives? According to Wikipedia, both Darth Maul and Count Dooku (as Darth Tyranus) held the title before him, while they too were clearly apprentices to Sidious/Palpatine... How does that add up? After all, it's not as if they are the lords who accept Sidious as a mentor and advisor, no, they clearly take orders from him and are very submissive and respectful. Note how Vader actually kneels before Palpatine and calls him master in the RotJ. I don't quite get it...

Tiltes are important. And they are frequently exaggerated. Just think of some of the headlines on the tv-news or newspapers. They could surely have headlines like "Star Wars is dead", if just Lucas said he wasn't doing any more Star Wars movies. For all I now, they already did that

Its all very well to say that and to put it in a comic, but if it isn't in the game, why should it be considered Canon? Simply because its approved by LAs (or whoever)? I'm sorry, I don't buy it. If they don't put it in the game, an expansion or K3, then really, it should be disregarded. It isn't like an Anime where you have to read the Manga in order to understand the series and need the series to understand the film... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would usually agree with that, but I do find K2 to be a special case. The simple reason for that is that all the material at discussion here would indeed have been in the game if the deadline hadn't killed it, which means that it was actually meant to be canon material. It was cut because the deadline was approaching, not because there were creative disagreements regarding the plot. I do think that at least is worthy of considering before with disregard the cut content. That said, K3 is free to accept or ignore or even contradict any of the cut content, since it did not make it into the officially released final game. Time will tell, I guess...

I agree completely. So far the master/padawan relationship has been terrible in KotOR games. At least it was a little better in K2 - what master or apprentice did Revan have in K1? At least the Exile had Kreia as a "surrogate" mentor and could get some of the companions, particularly Handmaiden or Disciple, as padawans-of-sorts. I'd much rather see the main character of K3 go through the padawan-to-knight-to-master thing during the actual game. You'd begin a few years after K2, and you're a youngling just becoming a padawan. You were among a group of youngling who were taken into hiding (like Obi-Wan and Yoda) by a few knights when the Sith (Nihilus and Sion) hunted down the jedi. You begin as a padawan on Coruscant under your master, and as the game progresses, you are thrown into the position of a knight when your master is killed and later takes a padawan of your own. And please, no "chosen one" gimmick in K3 - that position is already filled by both Revan and the Exile (!). So the new main character should just be someone who facilitates what Revan and Exile must do to fulfil their destinies.

Building on that, you could design a plot, where the only way to harm the bad guys is to plant the evidence among their possessions before you call in the city guard to "discover" it. That would be in a situation where the PCs know who the bad guys are and what they have done, but have no proof against them at all. The bad guys might even admit it to them, secure that there is no proof. That means, ahem, 'creating' the proof (the word "forgery" comes to mind for some reason) and then sneaking into the enemy's abode, leave it there, then escape unnoticed. Once that is done, you just let a hint drop to the authorities, who then search the premises, which the bad guys lets them do (they know there is no proof...), and... The thing about that plot is that stealth is essential - if the PCs are caught even on their way out, the whole plot fails, because the bad guys will realise what they were trying to do.