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I can see it now............. KotOR3: Darth Nihilus Strikes Back! :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are actually reasons why that could happen that are not corny. Read through this topic if you're interested...

Yet you cannot simply disregard its religious significance. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I disagree with that, actually. The dresscode should not take religious significance into consideration, because religion should be an issue in the first place. If people don't like that, then fine - go work someplace else, where it isn't a problem. It never fails to surprise me that people are so desperate to express their religion and are then all offended when strict adherence to it brings conflict with the rest of society. Society is what it is and religion is what it is, so make up your mind which is more important to you and live with the consequences. I actually admire people who accept limitations on religious or philosophical grounds, but it seems there are loads of people who are fine with their religion imposing limitations upon them, but are then all offended when that choice limits them in the rest of society. Grow up, already...

It's not the same thing. Besides, someone's faith is a little more serious than the matter you just described. Faith shouldn't be waved around as some "magical shield", but I think it's fair that society not try to repress or silence faith of any kind just because it might be a public place. In France, they're banning Muslim women from wearing headscarves, and Chistians from wearing large crosses. Is that fair? Why do they have to be silenced? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They don't have to be silenced, but religion is a personal affair. There is no need to stick it in everybody's face every two seconds. Now, I may personally think that the french laws are too harsh or that what the danish newspaper did was impolite, but now muslim countries are demanding that Denmark apologize and punish the newspaper, and that's completely insane. I really don't care what faith people have, but I do care to preserve the right to free speech. If the choice is between the right to wear religious icons and right to free speech, then I'll go for the latter every time. Still, that's just me. I'm not really religious and probably more of an agnostic. I tend to agree more with something Eddie Izzard once said, ""I don't believe religions are religions. No, I believe they're philosophies with some good ideas and some ****ing weird ones!" Please inform me what authority you have that gives you the right to tell me that my attitude is wrong. On second thought, you shouldn't bother, since I'm not going to accept it regardless... As for expression of religion in a public space, I wonder if we should then allow that carry over to other topics as well. Should we let people carry pro-life or political propaganda around with them wherever they please? You might think that's different, but I'm not supporting some special rights just because someone argues religion, as to me it's just another subject like everything else. In fact, being the major reason for war and death throughout history, religious expression in public space is probably the first thing we should ban on that list... Except I don't generally support laws that dictate what people can or cannot express either... <_<

Article Please explain to me if I'm wrong or mistaken (hell, I know I can be a little silly sometimes :"> ), but is that not a tad hypocritical? It's a private company. They have a dress code. Your religion can not force a company to change it's dress code and they are entitled to not employ you if you do not want to abide by it... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see... that makes sense... so the whole thing about respecting people's religious freedom was a lie... ok... thanks for clearing that up for me Gorth <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shouldn't people be responsible for the religion they choose and deal with the consequences? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I think they should. After all, can you imagine someone working in a bank showing up for work dressed as a car mechanic? Everybody accepts that, but when religion is involved, people suddenly want all sorts of special priviledges out of respect for their faith. But faith is not some magical shield you wave around to make everybody submit to what you want, nor should it be. The dress code of a company will always be set by the employer. Personally I don't see the problem with someone wearing a headscarf in a supermarket, but then that's just the point - that's my opinion, and the employer doesn't have to agree with me.

Of the choices available I liked Nihilus best. But if he had been on the list, I would have taken the central character of Star Wars: Darth Vader.

According to the speculation, Obsidian had asked about doing a content patch, but the request was denied by LA. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So its mainly on LA then... they pushed Obsidian at the end and then wouldnt let them fix it?? man that sucks... LA has a real problem with pushing out stuff when its not ready.. learned that with SWG... but some of it was SOE also.. on SWG lol <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Add to that the Xbox was pushed for the xmas release, while the PC was set for a january/febuary release and so could easily have been "postponed" a month for sake of completion without losing the xmas sale and we begin to get a pretty clear picture that the PC was not allowed to be better than the Xbox version in any way. A curse on the people who forced that decision, which was not Obsidian... "

Yeah, I thought commanding Zaalbar to kill Mission was pretty low thing to do, because you corrupt your loyal follower by making him kill a young innocent girl, who is also his best friend. That's got to be worthy of a Dark Lord. There are other examples in K2, though. Getting the mother in the refugee sector of Nar Shaddaa to sell herself into slavery to be with her daughter is also fairly nasty, as is leaving the Twi'lek dancer on Telos' Citadel station in slavery and then collect her earnings, once you've gotten possession of her. But I've always hated playing DS - it always makes me feel low. And it's just too easy behaving like a jerk and treating people like dirt - the feeling is hollow for me, and it always makes me think of Shakespeare's Richard III: "I am a villain... ...There is no creature that loves me; And if I die, no soul will pity me: Nay, wherefore should they, since that I myself find in myself no pity to myself?"

Though I don't agree with you on RT combat which incidentally is not what I'm talking about I wouldn't buy this game on a console and on top of that I'd spit on anything from Obsidian or LA from then on if they abandon the PC platform. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree completely. Now, these are just rumors, and even if they're right, that could just mean that the console-versions are done first with the PC version to follow, just as for K2. But I'm not jumping onto the console-bandwagon - if K3 doesn't come out for the PC, then I'm not going to play, and I'll refuse to buy any games from the involved companies anymore - if they deem me an unfit customer, then I'll reciprocate and take my business elsewhere. It's bad enough that I have to live with all the "must fit the console" nonsense of previous KotOR games as it is... :angry: Also, why on Earth wouldn't you be able to do real-time combat on the PC?!?

I disagree. We already had the 'last jedi' bit in K2, and it's a shameless copy of the original trilogy anyway. I'd rather want to being with an emerging jedi order that is trying to get back to life and then go from there. I don't think the game lacks soldiers. We had Canderous in both games so far, and the game is clearly about jedi KNIGHTS anyway (note the title). Malak is dead. Let him rest in peace. I'd accept him only as a force ghost or vision (like the one in the Korriban tomb in K2). Atris may be dead or else has abandoned the force, so I'd leave her out of all as well. Oh, and Kreia was a grey jedi? I guess that's why she called herself "Darth Traya"... "

Yes, they should both return, though neither as the PC, I think. I'd want them to be at least partially playable later in the game, though - they're both rahter important characters, after all.

Yes and no... The real problem with Nihilus was that he was a push-over when you finally confronted him. Even if he cannot drain the Exile, he should still have been a nightmare to fight against. But I have my suspicions that he might return in K3. Disappearing in that red haze in K2 could be an indication that Nihilus is not quite gone yet. Besides, I want him back - Nihilus still have loads of potential.

I think we can attribute/blame this piece of information to Wikipedia. Not that I mind the comment, but I really do prefer people give their sources when saying these things, especially if that source is Wikipedia (or similar), where anyone can revise the articles and add their own speculation, which is then taken as facts by subsequent readers. Heck, I could rewrite the article to fit with my own conjecture about Nihilus' origin, but that would still just be speculation. The only ones who can tells us the truth here are the developers... or George Lucas. So let's just accept that we 'nihil' about the origin of Nihilus <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe you should add to the speculation over there <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What would be the point of that? Replacing one speculation for another seems pointless to me. Besides, my take on the origins of Nihilus is no better than anyone else's, so it's far more relevant to discuss the topic than to assume authority.

Yes, well you can blame all that on KotOR being based on the d20 RPG engine. I don't much like it either. Watering down lightsabers due to game balance while allowing rediculously powerful characters at high levels is an excellent example of the game mechanics in d20, and Star Wars really is just one example of this. I liked WEG's Star Wars game much better. But since KotOR games are based on it all, I guess we're stuck with it...

Denying players to take certain actions is akin to forcing actions upon them whether they like it or not, aka "railroading". I hate it myself as a player and go to great lengths to avoid it in my own campaign. Even if the players cannot alter the outcome of a certain situation for various reasons, I do go out of my way to give them the impression that they might have been able to influence the situation. It's not something I would advice, since control over the PC's action is about the only measure of control and influence a player has in an RPG. So if you begin messing with that, then you risk having the players see themselves as spectators rather than participants in the plot, and once that happens the illusion of interaction is gone, which is fatal to any RPG experience. I've run D&D games where the players were helpless simply on the basis of how the various spells used against them were described in the rules - they couldn't argue against my rulings, but they sure didn't enjoy the experience... I'd say you should rather introduce really good reasons why they shouldn't resort to violence. There are several ways to do that. One is the alter the battleground so that a physical confrontation is really undesirable (edge of a cliff, trolls standing in a puddle of oil (= no fire or Ka-Boom!), or similar) or by introducing innocent bystanders (crowds of common people who would be killed or the bad guys holding a knife to the throat of a hostage, so that there is no way to fight without them killing the hostage first).

Precisely. After having Marcus repaint the walls of several bases with the brain matter of several companions, I took all burst weapons away from the NPCs and instead let Marcus build energy weapons. The only character I would allow to have a burst weapon was the Chosen One, since I had some control over it at least...

It would make a little sense, since the Republic put their best ships and much of their combined fleet under the command of Revan and Malak when they decided to go and fight the Mandalorians (don't forget that while the jedi council cast them out, the republic supported those jedi who went to war and saw them as heroes). In that case all the best ships would have been destroyed during the Mandalorian Wars or else disappeared along with the rest of Revan and Malak's forces, and the republic is still just trying to rebuilt in K1 and even in K2.

I don't quite think so. Like the war that Revan and Malak led against the republic, the Sith War (in which Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma were the Dark Lords) was a war between the jedi order and fallen jedi of the order. Clearly Exar Kun had ties to the ancient Sith, having learned some of the secrets of Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos, but he had no Sith empire, and his forces never had any control over the old Sith worlds, such as Korriban, Malachor V, Khar Delba, or Ziost. Since Kreia tells us that Korriban and Malachor are on the fringes of the old Sith empire, she must be referring to the empire of the ancient Sith, such as Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, and Marka Ragnos. They tried to invade the republic -a thousand years before the time of Exar Kun and the KotOR games, but the invasion led to defeat and the fall of their empire. This was called "the Great Hyperspace Wars" and the events are covered in the "Golden Age of the Sith" and "Fall of the Sith Empire" comic books. Look here for more information. The "true" Sith seem to be the descendants of these ancient Sith.

Actually I think that is a reference to Brianna having to fight and probably kill her Handmaiden sisters when she returns to Telos. However, that fight was also cut, though the Restoration Project will bring it back - if you check the progress reports on the RP's pages, you'll note a "Handmaiden player-controlled fight" (262TEL), which I discussed with the project on these boards a while ago, and which they speculated might be restorable. Since it appears in their progress reports, I suppose they decided to bring it back. However, if you listen to the soundfiles - 262SISEND010 to 262SISEND012 in the \StreamVoice\262\SISEND folder - you'll note Handmaiden musing over how to incapacitate opponents in a non-lethal manner, which suggests that there was to be an option to defeat the sisters without leaving them dead. Kreia will still says what she says, but then she might just be assuming that Brianna must have killed her sisters if she is still alive, since Kreia left Telos before the confrontation.

Cool. Thanks for the revelation.

Yes, I think so too. But it's an old discussion.

I know that Team Gizka is not restoring M4-78, but that there is an M4-78 Restoration Team that is. I'm wondering, though whether the two groups are coordinating their efforts, so that we'll eventually be able to play KotOR2 with both the cut content and M4-78. My apologies if this has already been asked and answered before.

Perhaps, but the tradition is different in the KotOR games - K2 certainly tried hard to take all possible outcomes of K1 into consideration. Besides, disregarding one outcome of K1 or K2 means changing the alignment and/or gender of both Revan and/or the Exile, and if you ask around on these board, you'll notice that there are vehement opposition to any of the possibilities you could mention - we seem to agree only that previous choices should be accepted, and that's probably just because that means our individual perspectives of who and what Revan and the Exile were won't be marked as 'wrong' by canon. So it will raise fan criticism to make such a choice, and I don't think the powers that be will risk that.

"Paint it Black" by Led Zeppelin (yes, I know it's originally a Stones number)

They could, I guess, but the problem with prequels is that they must be fixed plotwise, since established events dictate how events must unfold. That doesn't sound like a much of a game to me, if you think of them as interactive stories, where you decide the final outcome. I'd much rather see something like this in the KotOR comic books.

I agree. Although, because of her Force Bond with Revan, she also wants to go looking for him (in her own ship) and is a player-controlled squad leader in certain parts of the game. That is what I would like. Bastila needs to have at least as much play as Atris and probably as much as Kreia. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree Bastila should be a key character, but I don't think you can put her as a "master" in order, because K1 allows a DS ending where she betrays the republic with Revan. Besides, if Revan is set to DS in K2, you'll never meet Bastila except through a couple of holo-vids, where she is decidedly DS. So while I want her to be in K3, I do think it needs to take both LS and DS Bastila into consideration.