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"From an abstract standpoint, the dialogue in KOTOR II was much more mature and emotional with a greater sense of purpose than the first. From a techincal standpoint, the dialogue in KOTOR II used techniques such as parallelism and juxtaposition much more effectively. Sentence structure is much more varied in the second and feels more machievelian. Everything has much more impact in terms of tone and feel. Even if you overlook these technicalities you will STILL have trouble comparing the two. KOTOR writing is much more vernacular and KOTOR II writing is much more theatrical." Absolutely false. What you say rings hollow.

I'm all for Obsidian getting a crack at KOTOR3. There is some good stuff in KOTOR2. I'd epxect them to improve the game even more. i wouldn't mind BIo making it; but in spite of my (manY) complaints; KOTOR2 is a worthwhile game.

Hmm.. And, i thought my 100 or so damage was bad. <>

"ok, now nagging at obsidian because of mis-spelling is really stupid, i have noticed alot of mis-spellings, but i am not nagging at them, they were rushed so expect things like this." I know you won't; but please stop it. I agree that nagging over grammar errors is pedistrian; but blaming it on them being rushed is pediantric. The sloppiness is there because OBSIDIAN made mistakes. They are the developers. Period.

"Kreia is neutral." No, she isn't. She's not Sith evil; but she is most definitely not neutral.

"Again, you are comparing two things that have nothing to do with each other. The RPG can be 'real deep', and the combat may suck. Those two aren't mutually excluding." Wrong. Combat is very much a part of the role-playing experience. "That is... disturbing." Disturbing... yet... fascinating... and attratcive...

"Original KOTOR, I remember the later-game enemies being quite resistant to Force, and the only characters who could throw offensive powers around with decent effect were Consulars." Your premise is wrong. My Senitnel in game 1 was aesome with force powers. Please don't spread rumours, myths, and innuendo. It's embarassing. As for game 2; the combat is easy, so a Spaghetti Man could crush their foes with force powers.

Sounds like Gauntlet. It'll probably be fun.

"Which means you enjoyed BL, despite its flaws. Then we come to yet another contradiction. Your arguments for quoting BL as an example of a bad RPG in your first reply on this thread are... none, since you liked it." Upi are pretending to be dumb. Youa re iether a good actor on the ent, or really are. I was challenging the assertion that Troika tries to make "real" deep RPGs. The dungeonc rawling of TOEE,a nd the FPS combat of BL proves this isn't the case. Keep up the solid trolling. It makes me horny.

"The most common complaints are about things taken out of the game (including a planet), bugs, crashes, an last act that seems half-finished and 75% unexplainable and poor party AI. Of those things the party AI thing is the only thing that can be put on obsidian, so when people have random non-specific complaints I tend to throw it all on Lucas arts." Huh? You don't percentages very well. People are complaining about the easy combat, poor game balance, the random loot generator, and some of the writing which is very crappy. Hello! I'm not the Last Non Jedi Jedi = Lame. Bottom line is you are quoting percentages without likely having done ANY research, And, oh, KOTOR1 also had things cut from it including a planet. nice try; though.

"But then, and here comes the contradiction, you say that the combat ruins the role-playing. Since the combat and role-playing elements of the game are two separate parcels, one can't influence the other. Which means the only way to interpet that sentence is that the FPS combat which you dislike so much offsets the great role-playing, yielding an overall unsatisfying experience." Huh? I never said the combat ruined the role-playing completely. You better read everything again. I guess 'ruins' is too harsh. Perhaps, 'hurts' is more appropriate. "Which means the only way to interpet that sentence is that the FPS combat which you dislike so much offsets the great role-playing, yielding an overall unsatisfying experience." Only trolls tell others what they experienced playing a game. "And please don't ask me to stop trolling, you know I like it too much to stop."

"Heh. And here I thought you liked BL. Suddenly you decided to change your criteria to make a point?" Huh, I do like it. As you welll know I dislike the combat which ruins the role-playing it. Just because I dislkike one aprt of it doesn't mean i hate the game. Now, stop trolling.

NWK wins. KOTOR2 just got released. There's gonna be plenty of threads on both sides of the fence. Deal with it.

None. None of them are able to pay me what I'm worth not would I have the freedom to make the game I'd want to. If I were to choose; it be the compabies who'd likely get the closest to the kinds I'd like to play/make which would be Bioware, and Obsidian.

I wonb't dfend Paper Marios sicne I have not eprsonally played plus out fo the nominees I want obsidian to win. That said, remember most Mario games aren't RPGs; Paper Mario (aside from the retarded name) is. I'm sure the writing is a little more than "Mario saves Princess from Bowser".. LOL

"All I'm trying to say is that we have to keep some things in perspective, and that you can see the potential in this game when you play it. You can see what it could've been." True; but I don't judge games on potential. KOTOR2 is an ok/good game as it is. "Oh, and it's their very first title." It may be Obsidian's first game; but its not like the Obsidian bigwigs are rookies in the industry. They know what theya re doing, and I'd like to givew them credit for being intelligent as well. They knew what theyw ere getting into.

Mixed feelings about KOTOR2 aside; there's enough good in it for me to buy KOTOR3 if developed by Obsidian.

My extent is I just wanna read about others' opinion even if I disagree with them.

That wa sone thread though. At least youd didn't spam the same thread at the same time to prove a point. Once is enough - positve or negative.

Nah. Even more than you. He even started to threats proclaiming it!

That's true.

"I guess since both Obsidian and the Troika are in Irvine, that would be a more logical place to start looking around for work than thinking about the country where you freeze your balls in no time!" More than likely. Besides, if you really wanted to work for BIo; working for Obsidian is the next best thing as you are working on BIo sequels anyways.

Be quiet, Grandpa. I might be old; but at least I'm not ancient. :D

Yes. Like the other 100% of gamers. I seriosuly doubt I'm unique in worrying about my own personal gaming needs. Seriosuly, you cna't honestly expect me to believe you truly care if others have a clean gaming experience? I hope not. I'm not that gullible.

"and good luck chris avellone. heres hoping you beat paper mario." I haven't played any of those other games so KOTOR2 wins by default. <>