Volourn

"? you havent played the game much have you? or spoken to the jedi masters that you meet. because they CLEARLY tell you they are, in fact, hiding much the same way obi-wan and yoda are. id be curious to know how far along you are in the game, because from the sounds of your answers, you havent even talked to or met half the people who you will meet that will answer these comments of yours." Wow. You completely missed everything. Please read what I what I wrote again.

The BIO vs. Obsidian thing is stupid. It shouldn't be a competition. Judge the games on their own merits; not who made them. KTORO2 does some things worse; and does some things better. That is all.

"You win Volo, the last jedi thing is silly. Now go finish the stupid game." Don't placate me, please. That's worse than calling me a fanboy or stupid. <. Let's just agree to disagree.

"just look at the star wars movies (the OT). vader and the emperor believe the jedi to be completely wiped out, yet obi-wan is living as a hermit and yodas enjoying his stay in the new jersey swamps. so does that make the emperor and vader "retarded" for believing they had eradicated all the jedi, despite the fact that two of the most powerful jedi still live? does the fact they can sense luke skywalker and are chasing skywalker, yet have no clue yoda is still around make the story "lame" because they believe skywalker is the last of the jedi?" The Exile is not Luke. How can you even comapre the two. The Exile is a Veteran ex Jedi. He's not some mamby pamby living on some crappy planet who doesn't even realzie he has a connection tot he force. Unlike Obi Wan, and Yodda; the Jedi in TSL are not really hiding. Don't be so eaisly tricked. DarthShard: Some of things I like are the story (just not certain parts) though I don't think its' better than KOTOR1, I love the use of skills, influence is ok; but I dislike the fact its the NPC influencing the PC and not the other way around; the new ainterface is good; the new feats/powers are nice; and some more stuff. See, not a negative. "Okay Volo: read the near-end-game-spoiler if you REALLY TOTALLY aren't convinced why the hell this isn't a plot inconsistency:" A. That's not a spoiler. That's friggin' obvious. B. It's still nonsense and it proves beyond a shadow doubt that the story is weak in this regard and/or the Sith in this game are moronic. C. Hack n slash? That's the best you can do. The game is hack n slash. Afterall, there's very few battles you can avoid (like the original; but at least battles there were a little more challenging). What I noticed is that the 'Last Jedi' thing is plainly. And, it hurts my perception of an otheriwse solid story.

"Well, you have a funny way of liking a game. Almost every thing you said was negative." Really? Perhaps you should read everything; not just pick and choose. I only seem overly negative because.. a) The game was awful when iw rote the review at the start of the thread. It's improved since. b) I'm not forced to repeat myself about the positve aspects of the game. Just look at the replies in this thread. They almost all target my negative comments so what you are seeing is me repeating the same negative opinion on the same negative issue. Bring up somehting about the game that I like; and I'll be positive. "and you saying it is lame doesnt make it bad. the fact is youre too stubborn to even consider my explanation and instead would rather call my theory or reasons lame or consider me gullible. try breaking down my explanation and think about them. the story makes sense if you actually open your mind and not be so stubborn that you=right and anyone who disagrees=wrong or gullible or fanboi." Works both ways. Afterall, I've been called a moron, a BIo fanboy, et.c because I disagree with this apsect. Or been told that the story is simply 'too deep' for my puny peon mind can't understand. Bottom line is I'm NOT the Last Jedi. And, no matter how often sometimes me I am won't change the fact.

"I think you would agree with me that this statement doesn

"dont think you understand what people say by you (the pc) being in the "open" and the other jedi being in "hiding". just curious (im not trying to be condescending), but do you know much about the whole concept of how a jedi has the ability to "hide" their presense in the force and such? or how they choose planets that are teeming with life or various other "factors" to help hide their presense in the force? because thats exactly whats happening here." Been there; done that. It was, and is stupid. "youve lost your touch with the force, hence YOU cant hide or mask your force presense and thus can be felt by those who still control the force. the other jedi CAN control their force presense and thus mask it and make it much more difficult to sense them in the force." If you lost your connection to your force; how the heck can they sense you through the force? LAME. Defend the Last Jedi nonsense all you want; it doesn't make it good. "Volo, you are entitled to your opinion, but if it isn't sustantiated with all the facts, then you don't have the whole picture. Finish the game first, THEN post your review on the plot." A. Don't tell me what to do, troll. (P.S. And, yes, I know there's some irony me telling you not to tell me what to do; but meh). :ph34r: B. I played enough of the game to know a balony retarded plot device when I see it. "Besides that, yes there are bugs, and a few inconsistencies, but that doesn't make it a bad game." Who said it was "bad"? I sure didn't. Obviously, consideirng the fact I'm still playing it; that must mean I like it INSPITE of its faults. The Last jedi thing is crap UNLESS you are gullible enough to believe that the Sith are retarded morons.

"But bugs nevertheless volourn. We

"You're the last KNOWN jedi Volo. The other jedi are in hiding. You're the only dude roaming around in the open. I don't see why you're confused about that." Only one problem with your theory Whitey. I'm NOT a Jedi. Period. And, you are wrong, the other so called Jedi are roaming in the open more or less. Face it, this plot point is lame because you cna't be the last jedi. Why? A) I'm NOT a Jedi. B) I wasn't in the open to begin with. C) Other Jedi exist. D) Other Jedi are as much in the open as the PC. Lame.

Kefka. You scare me. Outside of you not having as buggy as version as me; your experience with the game almost completely mirrors mine. Though I don't mind the item creation too much.

No. The random loot generator is the worse thing about the game. Only thing that is nearly as bad is the super easy combat, and the whiny wannabe Cath known as Atton. Otherwise, the game is good.

"IWD was a rush job." No, it wasn't. "Also look at the Baldurdash file fix for BG2. there

"Yeah but I don't know that do I? You saying your not a Jedi just makes me all the more suspicious." That's right. The next time a bum on Nar Shadarr swears he isn't a Jedi, and if I'm a Sith I'll kill... becuase sinc ehe denied it it must mean he's a Jedi. "If I was a sith lord with an armada of troops I'd send them to hunt you down." If I wera Sith lord; I'd leave the Exile alone because he is no threat until you make hima threat, and I wouldn't be gullible enough to fall for a certain aprty member's "trap". It's so obvious it's ridiculous. "But I am not a Sith lord." Nor am I Jedi. And, if I saw a Sith lord, I'd tell them, instead of going after me why don't you go after those actual Jedi who are plotting your downfall.. Oh yeah, i forgot, they "cocnealed" themselves. R00fles!

"The game pretty much says over and over, that the sith are mistaken about their impression that you are the last known Jedi." That's because the game's version of the Sith is retarded. I'm NOT a Jedi.

"I think developers made a big mistake in the story, calling you "the last known jedi". Only a word will make it more reasonable: you are "ONE of the last known jedies"." I'm not a Jedi.

"There are a bunch of twisty plotty things later on that explain much of your confusion." I'm not confused. The game is. I'm not the last Non jedi Jedi no matter how you cry. That aprt is lame just like the 'collect x items' main quest. R00fles!

The game is easy. It's that simple. If you find it hard; it's obvious that Obsidian play tested it for you. And, no, I was just a Sentinel/Watchman and my strnegth was 10 with a single lightsabre! R00fles!

"have any of you opened your manuals and looked at the QA credits? You'll find them right under the heading "LucasArts, a division of LucasFilms"." If you looked isndie your manual; you would notice that KOTOR2 was developed by Obsidian which means THEY created the bugs. "OE: 18 months. Bioware: 3 years. Lucasfilms: Lucasarts, we need to make money. Lucasarts: I think its a great idea to release it before Christmas even though Obsidian's not done yet." OE = Having an already made engine for them, and alos pre made story, characters, items, etc. and focusing on just one game. BIO = Creating or I should recreating a whole new engine + making an actual game + dveloping more than one game (as much as 3-4) at the same time. You are right. There is no comaprison here. OE had a sure fiire hit on their hands due to being a sequel to a game that won so many awards, so manya ccoldaes, and got super high ratings from mostly everyone. BIO, on the other hand, had to prove that they were up to taks in making a SW game into a RPG while SW games sell reasonably well; they can (and have) bombed. Nice try though in your spin attempt.

That was Hades, and I agree with him 100% as well. Don't get me started on animals who have 'swallowed' light sabre crystals or worst yet swords... <> P.S. Handmaiden is ALL mine!!!

I win.

It was good in spite of the FPS.

I'M NOT THE LAST JEDI!

"Well i calmed myself down and realised punctuation is very important" +1 wisdom bestowed upon you, and +2 persuasion bestowed upon tentamus.

"Volourn stickin' up fer IWD2???...will wonder ne'er cease!!!... " Uh. I'm not. Reread the echange again. Maybe your wemic brain will figure out the complex puzzle this time.

"1) In Peragus in the crew quarters are two doors that require explosives to open (one leads to what I assume is the stash mentioned by a dead miner on a datapad). Well my character doesn't have much in the way of demolitions but when I got Atton, I sent him down there, and he has demo at 9 and he still can't get in? Has anyone gotten in there - and what level did you need? I'm playing on difficult so that probably has an impact." I'm trying to forget Peragus so i can't remember it. Sorry. 2. " On the EbonHawk, Atton spends some time asking you about your lightsaber. Do your answers matter? If you tell him a specific type and/or color is that what you get at some point? If you reply you don't remember/care is it random?" Not quite. it does matter as you'll see someone weilding it later; but you can never get it back I think.. 3. "Are there LS/DS mastery bonuses for prestige classes? If so what are they? And are they additive to LS/DS mastery bonuses for the regular classes?" Yes, I believe there's a thrad covering it in GD. Can't rememeber too much about theme xcept that I know Sentinel/Watchman have +3 con (it combines to make +6; WOWSERS!)