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Poll: Vote on the Black Isle Bastards (226 member(s) have cast votes)

How should the player be able to interact with the Black Isle Bastards?

  1. The Black Isle Bastards are a very tough, optional fight (53 votes [23.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.45%

  2. The Black Isle Bastards are some kind of merchants (12 votes [5.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.31%

  3. The player can become an honorific member of the Black Isle Bastards (71 votes [31.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.42%

  4. The player helps the Black Isle Bastards with some kind of problem (81 votes [35.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.84%

  5. No interaction possible, the player can only observe the Black Isle Bastards (5 votes [2.21%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.21%

  6. other (please specify in the comments) (4 votes [1.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.77%

What background should the Black Isle Bastards have?

  1. The Black Isle Bastards are retired pirates who run an inn in their old ship (22 votes [9.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.95%

  2. The Black Isle Bastards are some kind of failed "wanna-be" pirates (31 votes [14.03%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.03%

  3. The Black Isle Bastards are retired corporate raiders who used their wealth to buy an island (37 votes [16.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.74%

  4. The Black Isle Bastards are mutineers (8 votes [3.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.62%

  5. The Black Isle Bastards are former slaves (11 votes [4.98%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.98%

  6. The Black Isle Bastards are privateers of one nation tasked with raiding ships of another nation (19 votes [8.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.60%

  7. The Black Isle Bastards are nobles who fight for the cause of common people (15 votes [6.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.79%

  8. The Black Isle Bastards are literally bastards of noble families (75 votes [33.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.94%

  9. other (please specify in the comments) (3 votes [1.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.36%

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#421
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Full disclosure - I haven't donated.  I plan to come April. 

 

That being said, I do not want any in-game "recognition".  Are any of the other "super backer" pledges getting in game recognition?  Based on the $5k Build a Pirate Party description, this level gets to "create a band of pirates and design your own ship".  "Your name appears in the Gold Backer section of in game credits".  I see no mention of people getting in game recognition for selecting this level of pledge.  If I donate $5k and purchase my own Pirate Party, I don't get any in game recognition, I don't see how this community effort differs from an individual's $5k pledge perks.

 

That being said, I think the only name that should appear in the credits is "Black Isle Bastards" - anyone who donated knows they are a part of this community.


Edited by mistermannindy, 16 March 2017 - 12:08 PM.

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Full disclosure - I haven't donated.  I plan to come April. 

 

That being said, I do not want any in-game "recognition".  Are any of the other "super backer" pledges getting in game recognition?  Based on the $5k Build a Pirate Party description, this level gets to "create a band of pirates and design your own ship".  "Your name appears in the Gold Backer section of in game credits".  I see no mention of people getting in game recognition for selecting this level of pledge.  If I donate $5k and purchase my own Pirate Party, I don't get any in game recognition, I don't see how this community effort differs from an individual's $5k pledge perks.

 

That being said, I think the only name that should appear in the credits is "Black Isle Bastards" - anyone who donated knows they are a part of this community.

 

Well if you pledged $5000 and named your pirate captain mistermannindy and the boat "mistermannindy's leaky bathtub" you'd effectively get in game recognition. ;)



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Just hit me/realized... why is the deadline 20th of April? That's 5 days before salary in Sweden (don't know how the rest of Europe works).

Too late to push a couple of extra days?

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Exactly.

Also, as we said, we do not plan to put real life names in it but stuff that fits better into the game world. So "recognition" may be the wrong term. It's just a little nod and it seems so be fun.
And it's a way how every donator can leave a small mark because he/she won't be able to influence the crew/ship appearance at all like a 5k backer could do.

Since there's a guestbook in the CRPG then it's at least ok to ask for something similar (but less silly) in PoE2.
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If you need credit this can be arranged I guess. :) I (or maybe somebody else if they are willing) would donate for you and you could give it back later.

I won't let this project fail just because of a 5 day gap.
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If you need credit this can be arranged I guess.

Hi good sir or madam Boeroer. I am a nigerian prince. My huge inheritance of more than 100.000.000 million US dollars will be at my disposal the first of May 2017. I would like to invest in Pillars of Eternity version 2, but as for now my enormous assets are frozen. 

All I need of you good sir or madam is a small donation to this just enterprise of 1839,88 dollars. On the first of May 2017 I will email you the investment back plus 100.000 US dollars in interest. 

Sincerly Nigerian Prince


Edited by TheisEjsing, 17 March 2017 - 01:14 AM.

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Haven't chipped in yet either (so who do I think I am to even suggest anything, right) but I thought that listing descriptions of the robbed individuals rather than specific names would be the better approach. Or maybe both depending on what each backer would prefer.

In addition to listing the "confiscated" possessions I think it would be neat if one could also include a little note in regards to the robbed individual's fate.

Maybe something along the lines of:

<description OR specific lore-friendly name>; keelhauled and nailed to the stern, gulls did the rest - <taken possessions>

<description OR specific lore-friendly name>; got away by opening a magical doorway of some sorts - <taken possessions>

 

<description OR specific lore-friendly name>; bartered off for 9 barrels of Old Vailian port - <taken possessions>


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Hi good sir or madam Boeroer. I am a nigerian prince. My huge inheritance of more than 100.000.000 million US dollars will be at my disposal the first of May 2017. I would like to invest in Pillars of Eternity version 2, but as for now my enormous assets are frozen. 

All I need of you good sir or madam is a small donation to this just enterprise of 1839,88 dollars. On the first of May 2017 I will email you the investment back plus 100.000 US dollars in interest. 

Sincerly Nigerian Prince


Sorry, I don't buy it - not enough grammar and spelling mistakes. ;)
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Full disclosure - I haven't donated.  I plan to come April. 

 

That being said, I do not want any in-game "recognition".  Are any of the other "super backer" pledges getting in game recognition?  Based on the $5k Build a Pirate Party description, this level gets to "create a band of pirates and design your own ship".  "Your name appears in the Gold Backer section of in game credits".  I see no mention of people getting in game recognition for selecting this level of pledge.  If I donate $5k and purchase my own Pirate Party, I don't get any in game recognition, I don't see how this community effort differs from an individual's $5k pledge perks.

 

That being said, I think the only name that should appear in the credits is "Black Isle Bastards" - anyone who donated knows they are a part of this community.

 

Well if you pledged $5000 and named your pirate captain mistermannindy and the boat "mistermannindy's leaky bathtub" you'd effectively get in game recognition. ;)

 

 

I highly doubt that.  I would sincerely hope the team learned from those horrible tombstones in POE1.  Allowing me to use my forum name in-game would definitely break the 4th wall.  I'd expect them to force me to select a name, or names, they've already concocted OR work with me to get an agreed-upon name.



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Full disclosure - I haven't donated.  I plan to come April. 

 

That being said, I do not want any in-game "recognition".  Are any of the other "super backer" pledges getting in game recognition?  Based on the $5k Build a Pirate Party description, this level gets to "create a band of pirates and design your own ship".  "Your name appears in the Gold Backer section of in game credits".  I see no mention of people getting in game recognition for selecting this level of pledge.  If I donate $5k and purchase my own Pirate Party, I don't get any in game recognition, I don't see how this community effort differs from an individual's $5k pledge perks.

 

That being said, I think the only name that should appear in the credits is "Black Isle Bastards" - anyone who donated knows they are a part of this community.

 

Well if you pledged $5000 and named your pirate captain mistermannindy and the boat "mistermannindy's leaky bathtub" you'd effectively get in game recognition. ;)

 

 

I highly doubt that.  I would sincerely hope the team learned from those horrible tombstones in POE1.  Allowing me to use my forum name in-game would definitely break the 4th wall.  I'd expect them to force me to select a name, or names, they've already concocted OR work with me to get an agreed-upon name.

 

 

Yeah, I doubt "mistermannindy" but you're missing the forest for the trees. If your handle was lore friendly it could work and would effectively be in-game recognition.


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Full disclosure - I haven't donated.  I plan to come April. 

 

That being said, I do not want any in-game "recognition".  Are any of the other "super backer" pledges getting in game recognition?  Based on the $5k Build a Pirate Party description, this level gets to "create a band of pirates and design your own ship".  "Your name appears in the Gold Backer section of in game credits".  I see no mention of people getting in game recognition for selecting this level of pledge.  If I donate $5k and purchase my own Pirate Party, I don't get any in game recognition, I don't see how this community effort differs from an individual's $5k pledge perks.

 

That being said, I think the only name that should appear in the credits is "Black Isle Bastards" - anyone who donated knows they are a part of this community.

 

Well if you pledged $5000 and named your pirate captain mistermannindy and the boat "mistermannindy's leaky bathtub" you'd effectively get in game recognition. ;)

 

 

I highly doubt that.  I would sincerely hope the team learned from those horrible tombstones in POE1.  Allowing me to use my forum name in-game would definitely break the 4th wall.  I'd expect them to force me to select a name, or names, they've already concocted OR work with me to get an agreed-upon name.

 

 

Yeah, I doubt "mistermannindy" but you're missing the forest for the trees. If your handle was lore friendly it could work and would effectively be in-game recognition.

 

 

I see the forest, trust me.  :getlost:

 

Yes, as a $5K backer I could create appropriately named content.  A single pirate party name and a boat name.  I just don't see why some people think this group is entitled to a larger game presence than someone who donated $5K.


Edited by mistermannindy, 17 March 2017 - 07:39 AM.


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I see the forest, trust me.  :getlost:
 
Yes, as a $5K backer I could create appropriately named content.  A single pirate party name and a boat name.  I just don't see why people think this group is entitled to a larger game presence than someone who donated $5K.

 
You're moving the goal posts man. You first point was that a regular $5k backer wouldn't get any in game recognition so the BIB shouldn't get any, which I showed to be false. Now you're saying that the BIB shouldn't get more in game recognition than a regular $5k backer. Plus Aarik has explicitly said something like this would be fine:
 
 

  • We can put in a ledger on the ship that can have log as Osvir has described and names of additional crew members that cannot be an NPC (optional).

Edited by illathid, 17 March 2017 - 08:27 AM.

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How is it a larger game presence if you created a line of text in a ledger (that not many will read anyways)?

 

The work to put said list into the game is very, very small and the amount of recognition is very small, too - more a wink than anything. It's mostly for yourself and the other BIBs because nobody else would know who those guys on the list really are. Besides that, I think it's a funny idea that does NOT break the 4th wall if we choose our entries accordingly. As I said: no Mister Potatohead or whatever like it was in the guestbook of the Club of Refined and Prestigious Gentlemen in PoE1. And no things like "Peetero Washburnéo" because your real name is Peter Washburne or something like that. Mister Mannindy also doesn't work as ingame name. But maybe a lore firendly variation of it or just a description as we already said above. A description will most likely not break the 4th wall.

And for Obsidian it's no difference if 200 people pledged 5000$ for one crew and ship or if one person pledges 5000$ for a crew and ship. We would simply ask for a book.

A single donator most likely will have a detailed idea an concept of his ship and crew and will try to put it in the game.

We as BIBs agreed that we would only give a few noncommital suggestions what the BIBs are and what ship we would prefer and what the backstory could be.

I know of at least one 5000$ backer who has an exact picture how his 5000$ peldge is supposed to look in the game. She/he will cause more work than we will. 

 

So all in all I'd say we as BIBs who donate 5000$ and suggest a ledger (we're not demanding it) will cause less work and trouble than a single person who donates 5000$ and suggest a lot of stuff (which is understandable, because if you single-handedly spend 5000$ on this you want it to become "your baby").

 

I guess we as individual persons will not be as emotionally connected to every single detail of that crew and ship as a single backer would be.

 

So I don't understand the opposition.

 

edit: Illathid - nice quote. I already forgot that Aarik said that.


Edited by Boeroer, 17 March 2017 - 09:38 AM.

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I am not sure where this argument is heading.

 

Obsidian has offered some kind of individual donator recognition for our group backed content just as they did for other groups in the past for PoE1.

 

So it is their offer and we are discussing the options. I really do not like that by accepting this offer from Obsidian we now must justify or apologize for feeling entitled. Which we don't.

 

I see it this way very simply and easy: If you do not like this project, then do not donate here. As simple as that.

If you feel that this group of people who try to make this project come true is privileged in some way then please address your concern to Obsidian directly.

 

I will not feel bad for the offer that Obsidian has made to us. And I will not feel bad for considering and eventually accepting it.

 

And before this matter gets out of hand, please, everyone who discusses this argument think about how your next post can contribute to NOT let this argument get out of hand.


Edited by Fluffle, 17 March 2017 - 08:38 AM.

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PayPal just gave me a £5 voucher so I donated another £5. I don't actually think the voucher was used, but hey, I thought I'd try.


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Huh? Nice! But why do I never get vouchers from PayPal? ;)



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Huh? Nice! But why do I never get vouchers from PayPal? ;)

 

Well I created a new PayPal account for this (my old one seems unretrievable) so perhaps it's a "new person reward"?

 

EDIT: also I suspect this voucher is only for certain vendors (though the wording doesn't make this at all clear) so I doubt I'll get any use out of it.


Edited by JerekKruger, 17 March 2017 - 12:54 PM.


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  • We can put in a ledger on the ship that can have log as Osvir has described and names of additional crew members that cannot be an NPC (optional).

 

 

Ah, ok.  I missed that statement from Aarik.  Good to know.  Thanks.



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The Black Isle Bastards is an obvious nudge to the roots of Obsidian, this is why its interesting. The Black Isle Bastards are not the "baby" of the group of donors/people supporting it, it is a recognition of sorts for the Black Isle Studios. I think this whole argument about 'people being entitled' is utterly ridiculous. Donating to obsidian, or to this project, doesn't entitle anyone to anything, it is simply a group of people showing their enthusiasm for the idea, and I really don't think opposing it over some argument about falsely perceived privilege is appropriate. This isn't about money or entitlement, it is about people showing passion for a nod to the past. Please treat it as such.



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Just donated another 25$ making that a total of $50. But that's all I, recently graduated and unemployed, can muster at the moment. With just 31 days left, I couldn't bear to see this project's flame of hope die out (# melodramatic :'). Come on guys, let's do our best and get these Bastards into the game.

Edited by gogocactus, 21 March 2017 - 04:30 AM.

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