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North Korea issue: Trump vs. Great Leader Kim Jong Un


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How are you gentlemen.

 

You guys like talking politics, right? Let's talk about North Korea! 

 

First, some ground rules. When referring to Brilliant Leader Kim Jong Un, please use an appropriate title. If you lack creativity, here are titles which have been used in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kim_Jong-il%27s_titles. Whatever you do, to NOT use the Chinese netizen nickname for him: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/china-fatty-nickname-kim-jong-un-jin-san-pang.

 

To start us off:

Mike Pence uses "taunt" - It's not very effective.

Great General Kim Jong Un uses "missile test" - It's not very effective.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/19/us-sword-stands-ready-mike-pence-warns-north-korea/

 

Since Japan is a potential target if the East Asia region erupts into Nuclear War, all this saber rattling by Trump and Glorious Leader Kim Jong Un is leaving the Japanese in a cold sweat. Since I live in Tokyo, I would also prefer if Peerless Leader Kim Jong Un would direct his peerless gaze elsewhere.

 

Opinions please...

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Opinions please...

 

My opinion:

Trump et all are playing with fire, no matter how you slice it.

 

Bad stuff is a coming.... just how bad remains to be seen, though the kind of fire currently toyed with has potential for the kind of bad that will make '9/11' look like a relatively good day.

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Can't help but think half of the current situation with the DPRK is about trying to get another hawk elected in the south now that the last corrupt one has been drummed out of office and a relatively pacific candidate seems likely to be elected. It's always a laugh when things like THAAD deployment get pushed through at a sprint by lame duck interim presidents so their successor gets a fait accompli.

 

The other half is Trump trying to distract from his dreadful hair piece first 100 days by acting tough overseas. There's no chance of DPRK starting a war they know absolutely that they'd lose, but they're a guaranteed reaction if you prod them, and they have to shout about their willingness to attack so as to be taken seriously.

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You have my pre-emptive apology if the actions of the current administration results in you getting bombed. Although I think Seoul is the bigger target and I think N. Korea only gets one shot at it.

 

Yeah. I'm also thinking that Seoul and the American bases in South Korea will be more tempting targets. I hope.

 

I thought it's nothing but hot air from both sides.

 

Generally I agree. And yet the fact remains that they have nukes. You just need one person in a position of power to do something stupid and...

 

Can't help but think half of the current situation with the DPRK is about trying to get another hawk elected in the south now that the last corrupt one has been drummed out of office and a relatively pacific candidate seems likely to be elected. It's always a laugh when things like THAAD deployment get pushed through at a sprint by lame duck interim presidents so their successor gets a fait accompli.

 

The other half is Trump trying to distract from his dreadful hair piece first 100 days by acting tough overseas. There's no chance of DPRK starting a war they know absolutely that they'd lose, but they're a guaranteed reaction if you prod them, and they have to shout about their willingness to attack so as to be taken seriously.

 

Hawks? Lame ducks? Such avian political metaphors...

 

I guess one country's serious problems are another country's tool for political distraction. But isn't Trump's thing that doesn't want America to interfere overseas anymore?  

 

China are being real **** about the THAAD system by the way.

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"You have my pre-emptive apology if the actions of the current administration results in you getting bombed."

 

If NK bombs Japan or some other country NK will be 100% repsonsible. Don't go blaming others. Don't you believe in personal responsibility? If NK has an issue with the US it should attack the US not Japan. That's cowardly.

 

 

"Whatever you do, to NOT use the Chinese netizen nickname for him: "

 

He's Kim Fatty the Third. Deal with it. Now, what youa re going to do to me? Oh yeah, NOTHING. All talk just like your precious Kim Fatty The Third god. LMAO

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"You have my pre-emptive apology if the actions of the current administration results in you getting bombed."

 

If NK bombs Japan or some other country NK will be 100% repsonsible. Don't go blaming others. Don't you believe in personal responsibility? If NK has an issue with the US it should attack the US not Japan. That's cowardly.

 

 

"Whatever you do, to NOT use the Chinese netizen nickname for him: "

 

He's Kim Fatty the Third. Deal with it. Now, what youa re going to do to me? Oh yeah, NOTHING. All talk just like your precious Kim Fatty The Third god. LMAO

" fatty "   :lol:  :lol:

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Kim is China's dog. When the dog acts up you don't shoot the dog you talk to the owner. In the 1990's the US pulled all of our tactical nuclear weapons out of South Korea. Publicly it was not done at the behest of China but I'm sure that Quid had a Pro Quo somewhere. Now that fat boy is off his leash and barking at the fence again we should let the owner know if they don't rein him in we'll have to take precautions; like redeploying tactical nuclear weapons to Osan, McP,  and other places. I think that will get their attention. Now if the dog gets over the fence and invades all bets are off.

 

I expect if the leadership of China wished it Kim would come down with a bad case of 9mm to the brain right this very moment. But that probably would not be the best possible outcome. In most dictatorships it's next man up as long as the military leaders support him. But in NK there is such a personality cult built around the Porky Leader that if he were to drop dead there would be chaos. Not a good thing for a country with nuclear weapons and a huge military. Deescalation is the best way to go but the only country in the world that can do that, that has any leverage over NK at all is China. So either they get on board or I suggest everyone get ready for a continuation of the Korean war.

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I would watch M.A.S.H 2.0

I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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Funny story about that. I was there for Valiant Blitz, a joint exercise with the RoK Marines in '91. My unit was at an airfield near Pohang we called North Ramp (if it has any other name I never learned it) but I was on armory/guard duty for that whole deployment so I was a few miles away at a camp we called McP (I think it was actually MEC-P, or something). Anyway, this place had no permanent structures. Just hundreds of OD green 10 man hooches (tents) that looked (and smelled) like they might have been there during the actual war. Anyway, it was cold as hell, frost everywhere and everywhere you look you see men in green camo, dirt tracks and trails and green tents. I caught myself humming the song from MASH the whole two weeks!

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^I dont understand why people live like that. Rise up! Throw off the shackles of your oppressor! 25.16 million citizens would have no problem overthrowing them. Same with China, put those 1.371 billion bodies to good use and take over the place.

 

My working theory it that the citizens just don't know what the rest of the world is like. Keep people in isolation long enough and remove any source of outside information, and maybe they just think everything is as its supposed to be. Poor schlubs.

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But isn't Trump's thing that doesn't want America to interfere overseas anymore?

He probably doesn't, but the one thing he's done that nearly every reporter in the US loved was lobbing tomahawks at Syria. For a failing President the appeal of a cheap boost is immense.

 

I don't think for a second that Trump intends there to actually be fighting in Korea, it's far far too risky. But much like the north he has to keep the threats on the table.

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My opinion?  I think its all intended as a distraction from something else that is happening, but that is just my humble opinion. 

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I think China have enough of Kim as well, they just don't want to how it externally due to ideological reasons

I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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^I dont understand why people live like that. Rise up! Throw off the shackles of your oppressor! 25.16 million citizens would have no problem overthrowing them. Same with China, put those 1.371 billion bodies to good use and take over the place.

 

My working theory it that the citizens just don't know what the rest of the world is like. Keep people in isolation long enough and remove any source of outside information, and maybe they just think everything is as its supposed to be. Poor schlubs.

Never seen a guy with 30 rounds control 50 people?

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The gentleman controlling North Korea has been courting some gossip lately, i've heard many express the opinion that he's a bad 'un.

Some have even hoped that he'll fall ill like his father.

 

I'll get me coat...

Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.

I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin.

 

Tea for the teapot!

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Never seen a guy with 30 rounds control 50 people?

Absolutely agree. I'm thinking more zombie swarm tactics. Overwhelm with the sheer mass of numbers. Works for the undead. :yes:

 

Freedom is achieved only when it is valued more dear than life itself. If those 50 people, even if the majority of them, decided it would be better to die fighting than live one more day under the control of the man holding that gun then they will be free and he will be dead.

 

The men who signed our Declaration of Independence, a declaration of war on the most powerful nation in the world in that day, wrote in the last sentence "We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".  

 

That is the level of commitment that freedom requires of those who want it that don't have it.

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Never seen a guy with 30 rounds control 50 people?

Absolutely agree. I'm thinking more zombie swarm tactics. Overwhelm with the sheer mass of numbers. Works for the undead. :yes:

 

Freedom is achieved only when it is valued more dear than life itself. If those 50 people, even if the majority of them, decided it would be better to die fighting than live one more day under the control of the man holding that gun then they will be free and he will be dead.

 

The men who signed our Declaration of Independence, a declaration of war on the most powerful nation in the world in that day, wrote in the last sentence "We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".  

 

That is the level of commitment that freedom requires of those who want it that don't have it.

 

Easy to say if you live in free country. Try it when you don't know if your neighbor is not government spy

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I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"

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Freedom is achieved only when it is valued more dear than life itself. If those 50 people, even if the majority of them, decided it would be better to die fighting than live one more day under the control of the man holding that gun then they will be free and he will be dead.

 

The men who signed our Declaration of Independence, a declaration of war on the most powerful nation in the world in that day, wrote in the last sentence "We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".  

 

That is the level of commitment that freedom requires of those who want it that don't have it.

 

 

I agree with a good deal of this, but I think it is important to remember the context of our founding fathers. They were wealthy, they were fairly isolated from the British, and they already had some amount of freedom. I don't think it is all that comparable to the situation in North Korea.

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