Trump united the world...

[Ben No.3]

In a common cause against him. Worldwide thousands of people are on the streets, saying no to protectionism, to disrespect against women, to the empowerment of homophobes etc. There are those few supporting him... the right winged populists of Europe had a congress in Germany today. The congress had Ann equal numbers of visitors and protestors against it.

 

Trump said he'd give the power back to the people. Mr. Trump, you don't need to do that... we're just taking it back.

[Ben No.3]

Proletarians of all countries unite

[Volourn]

So united...  they lost the election. A handful, yes a handful because I don't believe the liars and fake news, whining about ti isn't 'the world'.

 

I've heard numbers like 200k, 500k, millions. They can't even get the lie right. They just spam random numbers.

[redneckdevil]

That is false. I'd dare say most of the world either doesn't care or actually thinks he will do good. But unfortunately you won't hear as much because the left has abandoned free speech and opposing ideas and instead barricade themselves into echo chambers to make themselves louder and to shout down, threaten, harass, and try to destroy anyone who has an opposing idea for since they are not enlightened and do not agree with the left, then the ONLY possible thing is that they must be stupid racist and if they ain't white, an enemy/traitor to their race.....

 

 

You know the KKK and Jim Crowe tactics y'all have based ur tactics and ideas on are showing....you only hide the white sheets under ur skin instead of over.

[Ben No.3]

 

Proletarians of all countries unite

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that.

Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people.

[Ben No.3]

That is false. I'd dare say most of the world either doesn't care or actually thinks he will do good. But unfortunately you won't hear as much because the left has abandoned free speech and opposing ideas and instead barricade themselves into echo chambers to make themselves louder and to shout down, threaten, harass, and try to destroy anyone who has an opposing idea for since they are not enlightened and do not agree with the left, then the ONLY possible thing is that they must be stupid racist and if they ain't white, an enemy/traitor to their race.....

 

 

You know the KKK and Jim Crowe tactics y'all have based ur tactics and ideas on are showing....you only hide the white sheets under ur skin instead of over.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

Proletarians of all countries unite

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that.

Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people.

But mommy he kicked me first...

You are searching for excuse for killing millions of people? Sad...

No. Killing is always wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that EVERY ideology can get (ab)used in a way to justify killings. So don't tell me "x is bad cause these followers killed people", because these people just look for a cover to conduct their killings under. And I'm sure mommy would agree. Edited January 21, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

 

 

Proletarians of all countries unite

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that.

Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people.

But mommy he kicked me first...

You are searching for excuse for killing millions of people? Sad...

No. Killing is always wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that EVERY ideology can get (ab)used in a way to justify killings. So don't tell me "x is bad cause these followers killed people", because these people just look for a cover to conduct their killings under. And I'm sure mommy would agree.

These wasn’t followers. Those system HAVE BEEN implemented in various forms in various places around the world. Always the same results - mass poverty and mass killings. It wasn't a clerical error it's how those systems works.

Yes, it's how a dictatorship works that uses communism to justify themselves. I do not support dictatorship.

[Zoraptor]

1) Do we really need another Trump thread? Especially about protests which are, frankly, designed mostly to make the protesters feel good about themselves, #StopKony2012.

 

2) Do we really need another round of Genocide Olympics? FTR #1 place Mongol Horde at 100mill+, #2 Britain/ EIC at 50 million + all the Chinese who died from the opium the starving Indians were growing in lieu of food; neither of those were commie or even leftist and #4 Hitler was pure corporate crony capitalism and not even slightly socialist whatever was in the NSDAP name.

[HoonDing]

The Chinese Century has begun.

[Zoraptor]

 

#4 Hitler was pure corporate crony capitalism and not even slightly socialist whatever was in the NSDAP name.

Seriously you want me to believe that a guy who opposed private property, was pro laborers, pro redistribution of wealth, pro government expropriation etc. was a crony capitalist?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

 

 

Well sure, apart from Hitler supporting private property- and having massive contracts with the big corporations like IGFarben, Krupp, Mercedes, Porsche etc which are anathema to the actual left wing- not being pro labourers or pro redistribution of wealth, and only being pro expropriation from 'state enemies' you're 100% correct, friend Oby_one. Which is to say you're not even slightly correct, just extraordinarily doctrinaire. Sheesh, even Auschwitz was run in part as a for profit enterprise for benefit of private corporations.

 

Nazi party certainly had a socialist wing, it died on the Night of the Long Knives. If you're going to talk about things like rhetoric about full employment and taking back our jerbs as being Nazi/ left wing concepts then you've just 'proved' that Trump is a nazi- congrats.

[Zoraptor]

Lol, it's a literal word for word rebuttal of what you said, except for the last part which is just the logical conclusion of your own opinions- that that conclusion is one you don't like is entirely your own fault for having illogical and mutually contradictory opinions. If you weren't making such illogical, assertional, doctrinaire and dogmatic claims you wouldn't have 'proven' that Trump's appeals to poor unemployed/ underemployed rust belters are left wing as well. What they do is important, and from what he did Hitler was right wing, and Trump will be right wing too, the supposed left wing trappings are populist appeal and nothing more- for both.

[Chilloutman]

just a side note, Commies actually forced people to work, there was nothing like unemployment. If you didn't worked assigned job you could have been jailed or get into forced labor - e.g. work camps

[Oerwinde]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Proletarians of all countries unite

Well the left is good in killing people I will give you that.

Granted. But name me one ideology that hasn't killed people.

But mommy he kicked me first...

You are searching for excuse for killing millions of people? Sad...

No. Killing is always wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that EVERY ideology can get (ab)used in a way to justify killings. So don't tell me "x is bad cause these followers killed people", because these people just look for a cover to conduct their killings under. And I'm sure mommy would agree.

These wasn’t followers. Those system HAVE BEEN implemented in various forms in various places around the world. Always the same results - mass poverty and mass killings. It wasn't a clerical error it's how those systems works.

Yes, it's how a dictatorship works that uses communism to justify themselves. I do not support dictatorship.

 

 

Communism can't be implemented without a dictatorship. They go hand in hand.

[Zoraptor]

Socialists employment program was forcing the employers to hire literally everyone who wanted to work. That's how it was implemented for example in all soviet states. That's what "right to work" means to them. Nazis on top of this forced labor on non citizens and conquered territories.

 

Heh, the Nazis were famous for not forcing everyone to work or everyone to be employed who wanted to- in particular their philosophy stated that women should be breeding rather than working, in contrast to either the USSR or the UK. That's one of the reasons their industrial capacity was far lower than it should have been throughout WW2, and only peaked in 1944 when the war was lost.

 

As for the rest, the big difference between the Nazi model and, say, Stalinism is that the typical German worked for their personal profit, for a private enterprise, while the typical soviet worked direct for the state. That's right wing/ capitalist, not left wing. They even went so far as giving said private enterprises access to slave labour.

 

(Now I rather suspect that I'm going to be told that slave labour is somehow leftist as well, because ???, instead of being about as pure rightist as it's possible to get.)

[Gromnir]

well, the US didn't force woman to work and its per capita gdp were higher than any other ww2 participant.  'bout 27% o' US women worked before war, and by 1945 that number rose to 37%. sure, many women volunteered to work, but there were no forcing.  soviet had a higher % o' women workers starting with the implementation o' the original 5-year plan, but never came close to US per capita gdp.  and to be fair, german per capita gdp were higher than soviet at any point... well, at any point, period. 

 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps fun fact: in spite of nazi ideals regarding women, pragmatism resulted in germany active recruiting women into its workforce beginning in 1937 and continuing throughout the war such that german and uk female participation in ww2 workforce were near identical, with US lagging and soviet exceeding. 

Edited January 22, 2017 by Gromnir

[Ben No.3]

 

Heh, the Nazis were famous for not forcing everyone to work or everyone to be employed who wanted to- in particular their philosophy stated that women should be breeding rather than working, in contrast to either the USSR or the UK. That's one of the reasons their industrial capacity was far lower than it should have been throughout WW2, and only peaked in 1944 when the war was lost.

 

As for the rest, the big difference between the Nazi model and, say, Stalinism is that the typical German worked for their personal profit, for a private enterprise, while the typical soviet worked direct for the state. That's right wing/ capitalist, not left wing. They even went so far as giving said private enterprises access to slave labour.

 

Details. And insignificant. And also not all accurate but I won't be nitpicky. I already said than nazi Socialists were a little different than soviet ones.

 

(Now I rather suspect that I'm going to be told that slave labour is somehow leftist as well, because ???, instead of being about as pure rightist as it's possible to get.)

Hehe. Next thing we know you will claim that during civil war the anti slavery north was democratic and the pro slavery south was republican...

Slavery is a historical part of practically all systems. Even Matriarchy societies had them. So, sorry no bonus.

A fun fact... many supporters of the civil rights movement, at least before the government of the US started its witch hunt, were either in the socialist or even in the communist party, as those two have equality at the heart of their ideology.

[Hiro Protagonist]

[Ben No.3]

Look it up... it's a fact

[Hiro Protagonist]

You made the claim, it's for you to prove it.

[HoonDing]

I think we're dealing with a language barrier here.

[Ben No.3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Party_USA_and_African_Americans

 

http://hankeringforhistory.com/the-communist-party-and-the-civil-rights-movement/

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123771194

 

Enough sources?

[Darkpriest]

Any actually academic sources? Say Harvard maybe? or Oxford?

[Ben No.3]

https://academic.oup.com/jah/article-abstract/91/4/1233/710119/The-Long-Civil-Rights-Movement-and-the-Political

 

Also, how is it I have to site academic sources, yet sharp one gets away with breitbart?

 

EDIT: I realise that if you don't have an account you can't access it, so you can't really check that source. The third source I sited in my original post is an interview with Robin Kelley, who worked at USC, NYU, Columbia, and currently at UCLA. Sounds good enough?

Edited January 22, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Ben No.3]

I'd say I have sufficiently proven my point here