The US Election 2016, Part IV

[Wrath of Dagon]

That's not exactly what the proposed law says:

 

"A bill under consideration in the state Legislature calls to prohibit "any activity unrelated to the actual operation of a motor vehicle in a manner that interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle on a public road or highway." That means no cup of coffee for those sitting in traffic, no munching on that breakfast burrito, no time to groom. (No, the law does not target coffee verbatim.)"

 

Notice the interference with safe operation part, since you're endangering other people.

 

Edit: Not exactly election related, but I have to say I'm siding with our ambassador here: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/08/rodrigo-duterte-u-s-ambassador-annoying-homosexual-son-btch/

Edited August 9, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon

[ShadySands]

Those comments though

[HoonDing]

Almost makes Youtube and Wikileaks seem civilized

[ManifestedISO]

Dunno about the east coast, but down here, people see you drinking coffee while driving, they appreciate that you're not texting, GPSing, applying mascara, or reading.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

New Jersey says you can't drink coffee in your car. Still think we live in a free country?

 

[Volourn]

So... another way to steal people's money.

[Rosbjerg]

New Jersey says you can't drink coffee in your car. Still think we live in a free country? 

 

It's a matter of personal freedom to be a liability to everyone around you?

 

Actually.. that explains a lot about your country come to think of it

[Malcador]

Well ultimately you have to look after yourself. Life is kind of like war (Naqoyqatsi is an awful film by the way).

 

Wonder if they'll ban talking next

[Pidesco]

 

New Jersey says you can't drink coffee in your car. Still think we live in a free country? 

 

It's a matter of personal freedom to be a liability to everyone around you?

 

Actually.. that explains a lot about your country come to think of it

 

 

It's kind of the same as the whole vaccines deal.

[Amentep]

 

New Jersey says you can't drink coffee in your car. Still think we live in a free country? 

 

It's a matter of personal freedom to be a liability to everyone around you?

 

Actually.. that explains a lot about your country come to think of it

 

 

So here's the actual phrasing of the proposed law: "An operator of a moving motor vehicle shall not engage in any activity unrelated to the actual operation of a motor vehicle in a manner that interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle on a public road or highway."

 

My first question would be - how do you define "in a manner that interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle"?  In other words if I can talk to my passenger and operate the vehicle safely, but the next person could not, does the rule apply to the lowest skill level (implying that one couldn't talk, listen to a radio, drink, eat, listen to navigational directions from phone or device, etc since all of those things COULD interfere with the safe operation of the vehicle) or does it go by some sort of individual test, and if so what would that test be?

 

My second question is how are the police supposed to prove that it was eating a taco that caused you to drift out of your lane and not say, tiredness, road hypnosis, or just plain wool gathering on your part.  Or is the assumption if I have a taco wrapper in my car, that it was the taco that distracted me?

 

My third question is does it mean listening to the radio guarantees that I'm pulled over whether it actually interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle for me or not?  Or does this just become an "add on" penalty to, say, when you get a citation for an accident you were in with no other purpose than to tack on more penalties to those responsible for accidents?

[Pidesco]

Those questions are valid and I think at least that part of the law should be looked at, at least. Enforcement seems like the biggest issue to me. They do not, however, have anything to do with the whole "encroaching my liberties" argument.

 

 

By the way, I've seen claims that about anything you usually do while driving a car has a large negative impact on the driving. Even stuff like talking on a hands off phone,  to people next to you, eating, listen to the radio. In my experience, driving with two bellicose small children sitting in the back of the car, for example, is a recipe for catastrophe.

[Meshugger]

A civilized society has no room for freedom :^)

 

This election sure brings unexpected happenings:

 

 

[Guard Dog]

@Pidesco, I'm at work and can't give a full answer but just let me point out that in the US a privately owned vehicle is afforded the same 4th Amendment protections as a home or any other private property. So this law presumes the Sate can tell you what you can and can't do in the privacy of your own property.

[Guard Dog]

Here is some good news: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/debates-clinton-trump-johnson-stein-226806

[Amentep]

Those questions are valid and I think at least that part of the law should be looked at, at least. Enforcement seems like the biggest issue to me. They do not, however, have anything to do with the whole "encroaching my liberties" argument.

 

 

By the way, I've seen claims that about anything you usually do while driving a car has a large negative impact on the driving. Even stuff like talking on a hands off phone,  to people next to you, eating, listen to the radio. In my experience, driving with two bellicose small children sitting in the back of the car, for example, is a recipe for catastrophe.

 

I wasn't really arguing it was regarding liberties (although GD make a good 4th Amendment point, I think), just throwing my $.02 about the thing.  I think there are potentially a number of reasons to dislike such a law, not just any encroachment on liberties.

Edited August 9, 2016 by Amentep

[Pidesco]

@Pidesco, I'm at work and can't give a full answer but just let me point out that in the US a privately owned vehicle is afforded the same 4th Amendment protections as a home or any other private property. So this law presumes the Sate can tell you what you can and can't do in the privacy of your own property.

 

I understand that, but tit still doesn't mean that a person can do things within their private property that demonstrably endanger other people around them. Of course, whether eating a muffin while driving is a dangerous activity is certainly a contentious question. And obviously, I don't really see how the hell do you even manage to enforce such a law, but what do I know.

 

I certainly think that if someone drives down a busy highway at 88 mph, while holding a paper cup of scalding coffee with only his teeth, that person should be liable for some sort of prosecution. Reckless endangerment or whatever.

[Hurlshort]

I just want self driving cars. I should be able to just tell my car where to go so I can focus on important stuff like debating on forums. Holding a steering wheel is for peasants.

[Chilloutman]

I just want self driving cars. I should be able to just tell my car where to go so I can focus on important stuff like debating on forums. Holding a steering wheel is for peasants.

 

Teacher giving up independence, sad

[Nonek]

When I was a young man I worked as a Drivers Mate for a few months, the driver of said lorry would regularly steer with his voluminous paunch while eating, smoking, drinking, sticking his head out of the window to roar and gesticulate at other drivers etcetera. Surprisingly he had a clean license and not even a point on it.

[Longknife]

Amidst all the news of Republicans endorsing Hillary, why *not* throw away your vote on a third party now?

 

I thought the argument was that a Republican congress would choose Trump if no candidate met the electoral college count neccesary, but with all the Clinton endorsements from Senators and Representatives, seems to me people can go nuts and vote Stein and Johnson.

[Rosbjerg]

in the US a privately owned vehicle is afforded the same 4th Amendment protections as a home or any other private property. So this law presumes the Sate can tell you what you can and can't do in the privacy of your own property.

 

The state already does- but I agree in principle, I would love for all laws to be recinded, the state abolished and everyone just acting like rational ****ing adults..

 

Problem is when people can't handle the responsibility of that private property and starts running me over with it, just because they want coffee and can't wait 5 gorram minutes.

 

I think some encroachment on personal liberties are in order. Especially on actions strongly and adversly affecting others- where you literally can do it anywhere else with no problem.

 

But of course I fully respect your country's desire to do it differently, I'm just happy they agree with me here.

[Meshugger]

Amidst all the news of Republicans endorsing Hillary, why *not* throw away your vote on a third party now?

 

I thought the argument was that a Republican congress would choose Trump if no candidate met the electoral college count neccesary, but with all the Clinton endorsements from Senators and Representatives, seems to me people can go nuts and vote Stein and Johnson.

 

Perhaps the left/right-paradigm really is a sham and only power matters. The Hillary camp offers a continuation of such power for those "Republicans", while Trump does not. But what do i know.

[Longknife]

 

Amidst all the news of Republicans endorsing Hillary, why *not* throw away your vote on a third party now?

 

I thought the argument was that a Republican congress would choose Trump if no candidate met the electoral college count neccesary, but with all the Clinton endorsements from Senators and Representatives, seems to me people can go nuts and vote Stein and Johnson.

 

Perhaps the left/right-paradigm really is a sham and only power matters. The Hillary camp offers a continuation of such power for those "Republicans", while Trump does not. But what do i know.

 

 

 

Yes but Trump winning means we actually need to immortalize his stupid ****ing haircut in the Hall of Presidents, and we simply can't have that. Better to vote Stein or Johnson.

[Wrath of Dagon]

@Pidesco, I'm at work and can't give a full answer but just let me point out that in the US a privately owned vehicle is afforded the same 4th Amendment protections as a home or any other private property. So this law presumes the Sate can tell you what you can and can't do in the privacy of your own property.

Only true if your car is parked.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

I just want self driving cars. I should be able to just tell my car where to go so I can focus on important stuff like debating on forums. Holding a steering wheel is for peasants.

Teacher giving up independence, sad

This is stupid. The independence to sit in traffic? To drive in a straight line on a freeway? Oh noes, my liberty!

 

I love when people try to justify doing menial tasks by calling it independence. I have a dishwasher in my house too, I really give up the freedom to hand wash everything.