US Election 2016, part II

[Gfted1]

Oh brits, Trump just drives them straight into emotional instability.

[Wrath of Dagon]

  I love conspiracy theories. That's the most fun you can have on the internet (besides porn). Especially if I can get WoD going!

What conspiracy theory did I advocate?

[Longknife]

 

http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/?

 

 

 

Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies

 

eyyyy

 

That seem bit failed study. Because data pointed towards Clinton winning over Sanders. Even I was able to predict Clinton most likely taking nomination based on poll and vote data in early March.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/85040-us-elections-2016/page-10?do=findComment&comment=1786341

 

But of course there is always possible that poll data from all polling sources was fraudulent. And that there was country wide conspiracy in Democratic primaries, with thousands of participants.  

 

 

 

Did you read the study or am I missing something?

 

The study basically asserts that exit poll margin-of-errors were exceeded at record-breaking rates, and what's more, they were almost ALWAYS to Clinton's benefit (the only outlier where Bernie benefits from polls being wrong is Oklahoma), and there's likewise patterns where states with less documentation or paper trails are the ones to see this happen. The whole study basically surmises that for all of this to happen as a pure coincidence without some sort of fradulent efforts taking place, the odds are as they listed: ridiculously, stupidly unlikely. It's a statistician's view on the matter where if you are to take away any claims or things like - for example - the Nevada caucus where people walk out highly suspicious (if not downright outraged and convinced of full fraud), then even when you focus solely on the numbers we have and the likelihood of margins of error being so consistently exceeded and so consistently done so in ways that favor Clinton, then yeah, it still screams "fraud" from the numbers alone.

[HoonDing]

"Trump is cool, sharp, brash, assertive and self-confident; he is successful in every of his lifes goals, he is successful in his business ventures and he swims in money; women want him, men want to be like him and he has beautiful wife with a beautiful family that loves him. He is tall, has a great set of hair, an imposing figure and finally: a proud american who loves his country country without any regret and with a clear conscience."

 

Makes me wonder why Hugh Hefner never ran for president; at least the man got an IQ over 80.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

Trump is cool, sharp, brash, assertive and self-confident; he is successful in every of his lifes goals, he is successful in his business ventures and he swims in money; women want him, men want to be like him and he has beautiful wife with a beautiful family that loves him. He is tall, has a great set of hair, an imposing figure and finally: a proud american who loves his country country without any regret and with a clear conscience.

 

 

> has a great set of hair

 

You almost had me until that point 

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

Trump is cool, sharp, brash, assertive and self-confident; he is successful in every of his lifes goals, he is successful in his business ventures and he swims in money; women want him, men want to be like him and he has beautiful wife with a beautiful family that loves him. He is tall, has a great set of hair, an imposing figure and finally: a proud american who loves his country country without any regret and with a clear conscience.

 

 

> has a great set of hair

 

You almost had me until that point 

 

 

Too obvious? Damn, i need to step up my game. 

[Volourn]

", Trump is the one who needs to take the most responsibility as he encouraged it in the early days of his campaigning "

 

Typical SJW Nazi. Always blaming the victim. Someone links asn article about an attempt on Trump's life yet Trump is at fault. LMAO

[Valsuelm]

 

 

Another suspected crash is related to Climate Change, aka eventually people will realize it's not fake, and at that moment the value of oil stock and industry is gonna fluctuate and crash, the oil industry being huge in the global economy.

LoL.

 

No.

 

 

 

Care to explain why? ....

 

Nope!

 

Sorry, not wasting my time on that one, especially in a thread not about it. You may as well be linking articles on Barbie and Ken's love life. But worry not, that's one scenario that will never play out in realityland. Or waste your time worrying if that floats your boat, but I suggest finding better things to do.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Valsuelm

[Valsuelm]

 

 

I am not even surprised.

 

Greatness breeds jealousy and jealousy fosters hatred enough to kill.

Greatness?

 

Do you consider Trump a great man, what in your view makes him great?

 

 

Trump is cool, sharp, brash, assertive and self-confident; he is successful in every of his lifes goals, he is successful in his business ventures and he swims in money; women want him, men want to be like him and he has beautiful wife with a beautiful family that loves him. He is tall, has a great set of hair, an imposing figure and finally: a proud american who loves his country country without any regret and with a clear conscience.

 

Such sense of being is greatness and such greatness works like a magnet for those who are jealous of it.

 

Michael Steven Stanford on the other hand, emotional, afraid, autistic and filled with self-hatred. He is poor, he lives in his car, he hasn't succeeded in anything. No women wants him and men make fun of him. He is short, sad, unkempt with a forgettable figure and finally: an illegal alien who hates america, filled with regrets and a buckling conscience.

 

When witnessed with such greatness, he instinctively has to destroy it, as he cannot bear the knowledge of its mere existence. He tries to follow the path of Zé Pequeno in "City of God", but he fails even at that. A total failure.

 

 

Superb movie!

Edited June 21, 2016 by Valsuelm

[Zoraptor]

 

http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/?

 

 

 

Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies

 

eyyyy

 

That seem bit failed study. Because data pointed towards Clinton winning over Sanders. Even I was able to predict Clinton most likely taking nomination based on poll and vote data in early March.

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/85040-us-elections-2016/page-10?do=findComment&comment=1786341

 

But of course there is always possible that poll data from all polling sources was fraudulent. And that there was country wide conspiracy in Democratic primaries, with thousands of participants.  

 

 

Exit polls are generally reliable, at least in 'safely' democratic countries where you don't have the po-po's eavesdropping for wrongthink. Phone polls aren't necessarily- you can stuff up the weightings, oversample groups that end up not voting much (eg young people; which is what happened in the UK where the polls were miles off) not use or misuse cell phones so exclude many young people or sample people who won't vote, about every 20th poll is statistically rogue by definition etc etc. Exit polls though, unless someone turns up to basically troll you know that they don't merely say that they voted, you know that they have voted. There are still inaccuracies and potential biases, they could still lie because they're embarrassed about voting Hillary (though that would say something in itself) or refuse to answer questions etc but then they can lie or refuse to answer on the phone, too, so phone polling has the same biases, plus more. If you have a phone poll and an exit poll, and if both are properly conducted then the exit poll is fundamentally the more accurate of the two.

[Zoraptor]

More DNC/ Hillary hax docs released. Pretty much zero doubt that it's genuine at this point, ain't nobody going to fake that number of documents, plus no one seems to be claiming that it's fake just that the hacker is 'Russian'.

[redneckdevil]

The question now is will anything be done about it or will all this be viewed as didn't happen?

[Longknife]

More DNC/ Hillary hax docs released. Pretty much zero doubt that it's genuine at this point, ain't nobody going to fake that number of documents, plus no one seems to be claiming that it's fake just that the hacker is 'Russian'.

 

 

I wish I could remember where I saw it (sorry I lack a source. I mean I live in Germany so it's not like I'm gonna have much opportunity to link stuff to American friends or the like to sway opinions of voters), but I also saw a PR response from the DNC. Basically a reporter contacted them wanting a statement in regards to the documents showing clear DNC bias for HRC, and the response back was something akin to "we are certain this is a targeted defamation attack from the russian government in order to lower voter opinion of the DNC for the coming election. Rest assured we are working on investigating the situation to prevent similar scenarios in the future so that we can divert our focus back towards ensuring another Republican presidency is avoided." PR in that it does what PR does: it's vague enough that someone wanting to hear confirmation that it's fake will read that and consider it proof it's fake, but if you read between the lines they never actually acknowledged it as fake. Sure enough, when the guy pressed them for a yes or no saying that didn't answer his question at all in regards to authenticity of the documents, he got no reply back. If that's not confirmation, I dunno what is.

[Guard Dog]

 

  I love conspiracy theories. That's the most fun you can have on the internet (besides porn). Especially if I can get WoD going!

What conspiracy theory did I advocate?

 

Advocate? We don't advocate... we start them! 

[Meshugger]

More DNC/ Hillary hax docs released. Pretty much zero doubt that it's genuine at this point, ain't nobody going to fake that number of documents, plus no one seems to be claiming that it's fake just that the hacker is 'Russian'.

 

Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance)

 

$25 million +

 

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation *

Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) *

Fred Eychaner *

Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij *

The Children's Investment Fund Foundation

 

$10-25 million

 

AUSAID

Stephen L. Bing

COPRESIDA

Tom Golisano

Government of Norway

The Hunter Foundation *

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia *

The Victor Pinchuk Foundation

Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation *

The ELMA Foundation

Theodore W. Waitt

 

$5-10 million

 

S. Daniel Abraham

Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi

Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation *

C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. *

Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC *

Elton John AIDS Foundation

Government of the Netherlands

Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation *

John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien *

Michael Schumacher

State of Kuwait

The Coca-Cola Company *

The Rockefeller Foundation

The Swedish Postcode Lottery *

The Wasserman Foundation *

 

$1-5 million

 

100 Women in Hedgefunds

Absolute Return for Kids (ARK)

Jay Alix

Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa

Nasser Al-Rashid

American Federation of Teachers *

Angelopoulos Foundation *

Gianna Angelopoulos

Anheuser-Busch Foundation

Smith and Elizabeth

Bagley *

Barclays Capital

Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund *

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina *

Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation *

Booz Allen Hamilton *

The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation *

The Sherwood Foundation *

Richard and Jackie Caring *

Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation *

Cisco *

Citi Foundation

The Clinton Family Foundation *

Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck *

Roy E. ****rum *

Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation

The ERANDA Foundation *

Robert Disbrow

Dubai Foundation

Duke Energy Corporation

Entergy

ExxonMobil *

Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation *

Joseph T. Ford

Wallace W. Fowler

Friends of Saudi Arabia

Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education *

Ariadne Getty *

GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale *

The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta *

Worldwide Support for Development *

Hewlett-Packard Company *

Hult International Business School *

Humana Inc. *

ICAP Services North America *

Inter-American Development Bank *

Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson *

Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation

Michael and Jena King

Laureate International Universities

Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation *

Microsoft *

Lakshmi N. Mittal

James R. Murdoch

Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) *

NRG Energy, Inc. *

OAS S.A.

OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag *

Peter G. Peterson Foundation *

Pfizer Inc *

PGA Tour, Inc. *

Presidential Inaugural Committee

Princess Diana Memorial Fund

Procter & Gamble *

Stewart Rahr

Paul D. Reynolds

Robertson Foundation

Newsmax Media Inc. *

Salida Capital Foundation

Donald L. Saunders *

Joachim Schoss

Bernard L. Schwartz

Walter H. Shorenstein

Arnold H. Simon

Bren Simon *

Amar Singh

Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación

Carlos Slim

Michael Smurfit *

Harold Snyder

Sol Goldman Charitable Trust *

Steven Spielberg

Standard Chartered Bank *

Starkey Hearing Foundation *

Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. *

State of Qatar

Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation *

Suzlon Energy Ltd.

Swedish Postcode Foundation

Swiss Reinsurance Company *

Nima Taghavi *

Tenet Healthcare Corporation *

The Annenberg Foundation

The Boeing Company

The Dow Chemical Company *

The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc.

The Ford Foundation *

The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. *

The Government of Brunei Darussalam

The Howard Gilman Foundation

The New York Community Trust *

The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust

The Sidney E. Frank Foundation

The Sultanate of Oman *

The Walmart Foundation

The Zayed Family

Thomson Reuters

Torres-Picón Foundation *

Toyota Motor North America, Inc. *

Tracfone Wireless, Inc. *

T.G. Holdings U.S.

Green Building Council (USGBC) *

UK Department for International Development (

DFID)

United Arab Emirates *

Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation *

Rilin Enterprises *

Gerardo Werthein Frank White *

The Wyss Foundation *

YPY Holding Limited *

Edited June 22, 2016 by Meshugger

[IndiraLightfoot]

Very interesting list, Meshugger!

 

One set of contributors caught my eye: the Swedish Postcode Lottery plus the Swedish Postcode Foundation:

In Sweden, this organisation has been surrounded by controversy a number of times. Most of the revenues aren't getting to the players or even the charity organisations claims, like WWF, but rather to a few top executives. Svenska postkodlotteriet (this is the Swedish name) is a pretty successful show on Swedish TV4 - which is considered a liberal rightwing channel here, and the host of the show has been a prominent Christian proponent (weird description, I know, but very few people in Sweden are openly religious in any form of public role, in mass media or otherwise). It all makes sense now. I'm not surprised one bit that they like Hillary Clinton's take on the world: a moderate liberal Christian one.

Edited June 22, 2016 by IndiraLightfoot

[Meshugger]

Very interesting list, Meshugger!

 

One set of contributors caught my eye: the Swedish Postcode Lottery plus the Swedish Postcode Foundation:

In Sweden, this organisation has been surrounded by controversy a number of times. Most of the revenues aren't getting to the players or even the charity organisations claimes, like WWF, but rather to a few top executives. Svenska postkodlotteriet (this is the Swedish name) is a pretty successful show on Swedish TV4 - which is considered a liberal rightwing channel here, and the host of the show has been a prominent Christian proponent (weird description, I know, but very few people in Sweden are openly religious in any form of public role, in mass media or otherwise). It all makes sense now. I'm not surpised one bit that they like Hillary Clinton's take on the world: a moderate liberal Christian one.

 

Interesting because i originally found it funny that something of a postcode lottery foundation donating millions to an election in another country.

[Guard Dog]

Gary Johnson & Bill Weld will be on a CNN Townhall tonight: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/libertarian-town-hall-what-to-watch/index.html

 

This is CRUCIAL. I hope he's got his A game tonight because this can segue into a podium on the debate stage. I'd encourage everyone with an interest in US Politics to watch. Especially voters who find the Clinton/Trump choice to be like choosing which which finger you'd rather have cut off.

[Meshugger]

Gary Johnson & Bill Weld will be on a CNN Townhall tonight: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/libertarian-town-hall-what-to-watch/index.html

 

This is CRUCIAL. I hope he's got his A game tonight because this can segue into a podium on the debate stage. I'd encourage everyone with an interest in US Politics to watch. Especially voters who find the Clinton/Trump choice to be like choosing which which finger you'd rather have cut off.

 

Forget anyone from Europe watching. UEFA 2016 is on all channels tonight. I fully expect your cliff notes posted here by tomorrow morning

[Guard Dog]

 

Gary Johnson & Bill Weld will be on a CNN Townhall tonight: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/libertarian-town-hall-what-to-watch/index.html

 

This is CRUCIAL. I hope he's got his A game tonight because this can segue into a podium on the debate stage. I'd encourage everyone with an interest in US Politics to watch. Especially voters who find the Clinton/Trump choice to be like choosing which which finger you'd rather have cut off.

 

Forget anyone from Europe watching. UEFA 2016 is on all channels tonight. I fully expect your cliff notes posted here by tomorrow morning

 

Ok, you guys get a pass. I was up late watching the US get whopped by Messi & Argentina last night in Copa America. It was as depressing as the Rays losing to Cleveland.

[Zoraptor]

Very interesting list, Meshugger!

 

One set of contributors caught my eye: the Swedish Postcode Lottery plus the Swedish Postcode Foundation:

In Sweden, this organisation has been surrounded by controversy a number of times. Most of the revenues aren't getting to the players or even the charity organisations claims, like WWF, but rather to a few top executives. Svenska postkodlotteriet (this is the Swedish name) is a pretty successful show on Swedish TV4 - which is considered a liberal rightwing channel here, and the host of the show has been a prominent Christian proponent (weird description, I know, but very few people in Sweden are openly religious in any form of public role, in mass media or otherwise). It all makes sense now. I'm not surprised one bit that they like Hillary Clinton's take on the world: a moderate liberal Christian one.

 

Bit weird how many Scandinavian entities there are in there- there are a fair few Norwegian ones as well as Swedish. The Gulf ones were pretty much as expected, having Norway's government in the same tier as Saudi, not so much.

 

(Neither are quite as odd as Michael Schumacher contributing, let alone so much. Unless there's a different Michael Schumacher who is head of JP Morgan Chase or something)

[Longknife]

Clinton couldn't be more unlikeable if she tried.

[redneckdevil]

Clinton couldn't be more unlikeable if she tried.

She wasn't very likable to begin so where is she getting all these votes?

Edited June 22, 2016 by redneckdevil

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Clinton couldn't be more unlikeable if she tried.

She wasn't very likable to begin so where is she getting all these votes?

Idiots and Bernie supporters who "pressed the wrong button".

[Longknife]

 

Clinton couldn't be more unlikeable if she tried.

She wasn't very likable to begin so where is she getting all these votes?

 

 

 

Well remember that C.K. Louis quote in support of Hillary I linked? I clicked it cause usually I expect comedians to actually be critical thinkers (need to think critically to develop a solid joke, not many people seem to get that) and wanted to hear some good insight. Instead all he did was accidently admit his ignorance that Bernie has technically been in politics longer than Clinton (I only say "technically" for those that wish to assert her time as First Lady counts, in which case the two are more or less the same in experience with politics), and I hate to sound elitist here, but I promise you that summarizes a lot of her supporters: Elections have this weird thing where if you don't vote, people condemn you for it and say you're failing your civic duty. As such, some people make it a rule to vote....but not all of them actually dedicate the time towards educating themselves about the election. So what you get is a bunch of mildly educated voters who will take the "safe bet." Hillary is a recognized name in politics and thus people consider her safe simply on that premise.

 

Also, I distinctly recall looking into some forums supporting Hillary a while back, and know what I saw? You'd be amazed at how many people don't really like her at all, but are hoping a vote for her is somehow a vote for Bill Clinton and that he'll get to pull the strings behind the presidency.