Should the UK leave the EU?

[Namutree]

I have never played Halo, so allow me to apologize for failing this reference check

I wouldn't expect people who even had played it to have every line memorized. I said to amuse myself more than an audience.

[Mamoulian War]

 

 

 

And one thing to remember...

 

Well as long as you're not a refugee. Or brown.

 

Or east european part-time worker, which took your job, which you would never even consider to apply for it, in the first place

 

 

There is definitely some unnecessary and unsubstantiated criticism throughout the EU from some  sectors of the population   towards East Europeans and how " they taking jobs "

 

I wouldn't take it seriously...I know thats probably harder to do than it may appear as it must get frustrating at times 

 

No it is not, I see the same in here. People are blaming everyone else for their lack of satisfaction with their lives. Here we have also lot of jobs, which Slovaks feel ashamed to work at. And still everyone is yelling "STOP IMMIGRANTS, THEY ARE COMING HERE TO TAKE OUR JOBS!!!" We have 10% unemployment rate, but are still not able to fulfill all of the needs on job market, due to disparity between what people can do and what they want to do.

[JadedWolf]

 

 

 

Yes, in a comparison Wilders comes off better, but so do most people and it doesn't remove the serious and alarming similarities. And I'm not talking the bad haircuts.

 

Well its that strange notion that after WWII and what Hitler did no one is allowed to be nationalist - because Hitler. Strange that noone have problem with socialists because Stalin

 

 

Maybe because Stalin was not socialist

 

 

And Wilders is not Nazi 

 

 

Wilders is not a Nazi, but like the rest of his ilk what he most certainly is, is a lying populist charlatan, offering no solutions but only lies about how he is going to "fix" everything - when in fact he hasn't got a clue. And in the meanwhile, he's willing to lie about anything else as long as it means he can draw attention to his one single issue. 

 

Case in point, one of Wilders' promises during election time was that he would stop the rising of the pension age (from 65 tot 67)  that the then government had planned. Then after the elections, he has his party vote FOR the rising of the pension age because he could make a deal with other parties about immigration.

 

Edit: it's actually not exactly as I remembered it, this link explains it better: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/wilders_drops_commitment_to_65 TL:DR version, he propped up a government that needed his backing in able to exist in return for tougher immigration, while accepting that they would introduce laws that would increase the retirement age. Sorry, am at work so mistakes slip through.

 

In fact, I think most of you right wingers who like him so much should take a look at his party program sometimes. Wilders' started out right wing (for Dutch standards) but these days in most things the party program is so left wing they mostly resemble the Socialist Party. With the difference of course that it's all based on "giving welfare back the Dutch, because foreigners". Not that he really cares about any of these things, because he's quite ready to promise anything as long as it gets him votes.

 

But it's okay, the sort of people who vote for him are like sheep, that forget all about the broken promises again next election, and then again it will be the mantra "If we vote Wilders in power, he'll fix everything, because don't you know, he's the feckin' messiah".

 

So yeah, when it comes to Hitler, that's what he has in common. 

Edited June 24, 2016 by JadedWolf

[Mamoulian War]

 

https://twitter.com/JillFilipovic/status/746226435891724288

 

Can some english person say more info about this?

Her comments are annoying and uninformed 

 

Who is she anyway? She thinks it will be great when Trump becomes president because there will be a WW3?

 

Mam  just ignore her and the anti-UK comments, did you read some of the views from people supporting her, the degree of invective and anti-Western sentiment never ceases to amaze me 

 

I do not think her main comment was the uninformed one according this tweet:

 

https://twitter.com/JohnClarke1960/status/746291106854371328/photo/1

[obyknven]

UK today

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

 

Yes, in a comparison Wilders comes off better, but so do most people and it doesn't remove the serious and alarming similarities. And I'm not talking the bad haircuts.

 

Well its that strange notion that after WWII and what Hitler did no one is allowed to be nationalist - because Hitler. Strange that noone have problem with socialists because Stalin

 

 

Maybe because Stalin was not socialist

 

 

And Wilders is not Nazi 

 

 

Wilders is not a Nazi, but like the rest of his ilk what he most certainly is, is a lying populist charlatan, offering no solutions but only lies about how he is going to "fix" everything - when in fact he hasn't got a clue. And in the meanwhile, he's willing to lie about anything else as long as it means he can draw attention to his one single issue. 

 

Case in point, one of Wilders' promises during election time was that he would stop the rising of the pension age (from 65 tot 67)  that the then government had planned. Then after the elections, he has his party vote FOR the rising of the pension age because he could make a deal with other parties about immigration.

 

In fact, I think most of you right wingers who like him so much should take a look at his party program sometimes. Wilders' started out right wing (for Dutch standards) but these days in most things the party program is so left wing they mostly resemble the Socialist Party. With the difference of course that it's all based on "giving welfare back the Dutch, because foreigners". Not that he really cares about any of these things, because he's quite ready to promise anything as long as it gets him votes.

 

But it's okay, the sort of people who vote for him are like sheep, that forget all about the broken promises again next election, and then again it will be the mantra "If we vote Wilders in power, he'll fix everything, because don't you know, he's the feckin' messiah".

 

So yeah, when it comes to Hitler, that's what he has in common. 

 

 

1) most politicians are populists, thats nothing new

2) I am not rightist, I am more at center I am kind of libertarian

3) everyone is voting like as sheep, thats point of voting, if you want to be wolf became politician

4) In parlament democracy everyone is making deals (if you dont have more than 50% of votest ofc), thats why you will never get fully fullfilled party program - but politicians needs to adhere to their core ideas

[Gorgon]

luls

[Gfted1]

I was genuinely surprised this morning when I woke up and read the news, I didnt think they would have the cajones. Generally people are like electricity, they always take the path of least resistance. Good luck Britian!

[Mamoulian War]

This one petition is interesting:  Make London independent from UK.

 

The comments on it on Ars Technica UK:

 

Apparently it's not completely impossible, either: a professor from the LSE told the BBC that Khan is "well within his rights to tell the government London didn't vote for Brexit and that City Hall now viewed the government as dysfunctional," thus triggering a process where London could become an independent city-state.

 

 

more than 41,000 votes already...

 

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

[Hassat Hunter]

It's funny how TrueNatural say that mostly the uneducated vote to leave the EU... and then you see this:

 

Damn White People are the cause of this.

 

edited: Removed any problems with language.

 

Yup, seems like the pro-EU party consists of prime examples of good educated humans...

 

EDIT:

Having said that if there was a chance, I would vote pro-Nexit. And no, I don't vote PVV.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Hassat Hunter

[Nonek]

https://twitter.com/JillFilipovic/status/746226435891724288

 

Can some english person say more info about this?

 

Its hardly unexpected, when we adopted decimalisation we were promised that prices would not rise, of course they did. When North Sea oil was discovered we were promised the lowest petrol prices in Europe, they became some of the highest. We pay our Road Tax to travel on highways that ruin our cars due to their almost non existent level of maintenance. Nobody really expected the politicians to do what they said, or be able to, these are the usual lies we all expect and no one really takes Farage seriously, he is merely the recipient of protest votes. With his erstwhile objective achieved I wouldn't be surprised to see him and his diminish remarkably swiftly.

 

I have to admit that i'm loving the bitterness displayed by the Remain camp, so many predictions of a resounding victory and the impossibility of the Leave vote triumphing has turned almost all of them into seething bodies of hatred. The villainiation and demonisation of the Leave camp has already started. Its strange how isolated and insulated the capital was from the prevailing mood in the majority of the country, anyone with roots in England outside London could tell that the Leave camp was not to be dismissed.

[Raithe]

 

For a lot of the campaign proper, it looked like neither side really wanted to win it, fielding generally disliked politicians to make weak arguments and avoiding serious discussions on the issue. I think a key part of the result was the twenty or so years of drip, drip, drip anti-EU propaganda from several of our newspapers, which established a eurosceptic baseline for Leave to work from.

[Blarghagh]

It's funny how TrueNatural say that mostly the uneducated vote to leave the EU... and then you see this:

 

Damn White People are the cause of this.

 

 

edited: Removed any problems with language.

 

Yup, seems like the pro-EU party consists of prime examples of good educated humans...

 

EDIT:

Having said that if there was a chance, I would vote pro-Nexit. And no, I don't vote PVV.

 

I didn't say that, voter demographic breakdown said that. To quote everyone's favourite poster: FACT!

 

As for that picture, I didn't get the impression those were people from the EU and I also didn't get the impression they were pro-EU, just SJWs. Judging by the amount of time they spend talking about Drumpfy instead, I'd say they were Americans. And when did they ever count?

[Chilloutman]

 

https://twitter.com/JillFilipovic/status/746226435891724288

 

Can some english person say more info about this?

 

Its hardly unexpected, when we adopted decimalisation we were promised that prices would not rise, of course they did. When North Sea oil was discovered we were promised the lowest petrol prices in Europe, they became some of the highest. We pay our Road Tax to travel on highways that ruin our cars due to their almost non existent level of maintenance. Nobody really expected the politicians to do what they said, or be able to, these are the usual lies we all expect and no one really takes Farage seriously, he is merely the recipient of protest votes. With his erstwhile objective achieved I wouldn't be surprised to see him and his diminish remarkably swiftly.

 

I have to admit that i'm loving the bitterness displayed by the Remain camp, so many predictions of a resounding victory and the impossibility of the Leave vote triumphing has turned almost all of them into seething bodies of hatred. The villainiation and demonisation of the Leave camp has already started. Its strange how isolated and insulated the capital was from the prevailing mood in the majority of the country, anyone with roots in England outside London could tell that the Leave camp was not to be dismissed.

 

 

Well, maybe its because in London is actually lowest percentage of native brits than as opposed in countryside? Like seriously, when I was last time there It was kind of small asia

[Rosbjerg]

So yeah, when it comes to Hitler, that's what he has in common. 

 

Hitler was a pretty firm believer in solutions and getting things done though.. Unfortunately more so than most politicans today. I wish he had been as ineffective as our contemporary lot.

 

No we need to recognize that populists are neither socialists nor fascists, they are however a huge problem for any democracy- and have been since Antiquity...

 

As for fascists comparisons, Wilder is more akin to 'Il Duce' - all talk, loves propaganda movies, full of wannabe bravado and with an unhealthy fixation on irrelevancy.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Statement from Trump:

 

Statement Regarding British Referendum on E.U. Membership

 

The people of the United Kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all free peoples. They have declared their independence from the European Union, and have voted to reassert control over their own politics, borders and economy. A Trump Administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump Administration.

 

Come November, the American people will have the chance to re-declare their independence. Americans will have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and foreign policies that put our citizens first. They will have the chance to reject today’s rule by the global elite, and to embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. I hope America is watching, it will soon be time to believe in America again.

[Volourn]

People whining about racist... go on to  label an entire race.  Again, racism is not a white only disease.

 

 

Also, it's funny that only white dominated countries tend to  invite other races into their countries en masse. You don't read about these people whining about countries like the Assian, Afrikan, or Middle Eastern countries where it is by and large one certain type of person. LMAO

 

 

I'm glad the Nazi EU lost. Look at the butthurt. ;D

[Nonek]

Statement from Trump:

 

Statement Regarding British Referendum on E.U. Membership

 

The people of the United Kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all free peoples. They have declared their independence from the European Union, and have voted to reassert control over their own politics, borders and economy. A Trump Administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump Administration.

 

Come November, the American people will have the chance to re-declare their independence. Americans will have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and foreign policies that put our citizens first. They will have the chance to reject today’s rule by the global elite, and to embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. I hope America is watching, it will soon be time to believe in America again.

 

Britain has a curry, the USA trumps.

 

Sorry I couldn't help myself.

[Wrath of Dagon]

https://twitter.com/EddyElfenbein/status/746185748538236928

[Darkpriest]

I actually laughed at this:

 

[Mamoulian War]

Sir! You have won the internet for today! :D

 

Here's your prize )

 

https://youtu.be/agKxtn4NIDk

Edited June 24, 2016 by Mamoulian War

[Hassat Hunter]

I didn't say that, voter demographic breakdown said that.

 

Hmmm, the same stastics who said most youth really wanted to stay in the EU, but conviently forgot to mention not enough to actually go out and vote?

[BruceVC]

This one petition is interesting:  Make London independent from UK.

 

The comments on it on Ars Technica UK:

 

 

Apparently it's not completely impossible, either: a professor from the LSE told the BBC that Khan is "well within his rights to tell the government London didn't vote for Brexit and that City Hall now viewed the government as dysfunctional," thus triggering a process where London could become an independent city-state.

 

 

more than 41,000 votes already...

 

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

That is never going to happen and any suggestion to do so is idiotic 

[IndiraLightfoot]

I actually laughed at this:

 

Fantastic clip. Hysterical!

[BruceVC]

I actually laughed at this:

 

Yeah this was a  good one, I need to send this to my family in the UK who are deeply melancholic with current events