Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I get that this is Josh' anti-tank-and-spank strategy, but the whole point of party-based combat is that you're supposed to specialize. Certain classes aren't going to hold up well to being teleported to another part of the map, dazed, hit with a paralyze attack, then spammed with frost damage until they are dead. Oh, and the encounters where you have a bunch of ghosts circle your party and spam them with 16-second duration paralyze attacks? Those really suck too.
Boeroer Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 They are indeed annoying, but it's doable. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I don't recall saying it wasn't. I do recall saying it was bull****.
Boeroer Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Ok, maybe you should define bullsh!t then. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Guest Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Not sure how that would have helped with your propensity for conjecture. At least you didn't respond with a summary of my post this time. Perhaps we can call this progress.
Boeroer Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 Yeah whatever you say - stay happy man! Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Raven Darkholme Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I can feel the love. @Achilles Would you rather have fights vs. weak human mobs? My twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/victorcreed_twitch My youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/VictorCreedGaming
Heijoushin Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Pretty much agree with both of your points. In the battery, they start teleporting your people all over the place. Sometimes you don't even realize what's happened until you try to give the character an order and release he's on the other side of the map. Really annoying stuff. And the ghost wail that paralyses your whole party is really punishing depending on your build and level.
Teioh_White Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Wait, what mobs teleport your team around? I've been through the battery tons of times, and I can't recall every having my guys dorked away somewhere. Granted, I always save the Battery for the 3rd to last thing to do in the game, so everything is in curb stomp mode by then, so maybe whatever does it just literally doesn't get a chance.
Doppelschwert Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Wait, what mobs teleport your team around? I've been through the battery tons of times, and I can't recall every having my guys dorked away somewhere. Granted, I always save the Battery for the 3rd to last thing to do in the game, so everything is in curb stomp mode by then, so maybe whatever does it just literally doesn't get a chance. Yeah, I would be happy to know this, too. I played through the white march at release with patch 2.0 at the lowest level i could, but I never registered something like this. What's abduction doing exactly and which enemies are able of casting it?
AndreaColombo Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 It's one of the spirits that can do that; not sure which one exactly as they always appear in bulk and I've never bothered to check the log for that particular ability. Maybe the Battery Siren (or however it is called)? I got it 100% of the times and thought it was actually good encounter design. It would be annoying if every encounter with spirits had that, but it's good to have it spice things up in a couple encounters. The long-duration Stun is rather annoying though. I'm all for enemies using afflictions against you, but there has to be a way out for you. 2 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Guest Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 The long-duration Stun is rather annoying though. I'm all for enemies using afflictions against you, but there has to be a way out for you. This.
gkathellar Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I get that this is Josh' anti-tank-and-spank strategy Yeah, exactly. Attempting to solve problems by creating new problems is the PoE team's whole M.O. It shouldn't be surprising at this point. 3 If I'm typing in red, it means I'm being sarcastic. But not this time. Dark green, on the other hand, is for jokes and irony in general.
Raven Darkholme Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 I get that this is Josh' anti-tank-and-spank strategy Yeah, exactly. Attempting to solve problems by creating new problems is the PoE team's whole M.O. It shouldn't be surprising at this point. That's a good point. But I rather have difficult fights even tho poorly designed, than the enmy A.I. killing itself all the time. My twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/victorcreed_twitch My youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/VictorCreedGaming
Doppelschwert Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 It's one of the spirits that can do that; not sure which one exactly as they always appear in bulk and I've never bothered to check the log for that particular ability. Maybe the Battery Siren (or however it is called)? I got it 100% of the times and thought it was actually good encounter design. It would be annoying if every encounter with spirits had that, but it's good to have it spice things up in a couple encounters. The long-duration Stun is rather annoying though. I'm all for enemies using afflictions against you, but there has to be a way out for you. Thanks, but I'm still not sure what it does exactly? It teleports you to the caster and then stuns you..? Does the teleport admit a defense or is it instant hit..? I'm not able to check ingame currently.
PrimeJunta Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Wraiths. I thought it was a pretty cool twist actually. I have a project. It's a tabletop RPG. It's free. It's a work in progress. Find it here: www.brikoleur.com
Torm51 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Ya its Wraiths. If they snatch one of my tanks its actually a good thing. The last time I was in the Battery I was about level 12 and they obducted me once and Pallegina the next time (both tanking/support Paladins) and worked out very well as most of the mobs in the rear tried to crush me/Pallegina and well they couldn't touch us and my tank personally downed 2 of them before the entire team on the other side got to me. If they abduct a squishy with no escape its an auto KO most of the time. They did abduct Zahua once but man did they pay for it. He literally smoked like 6 ore more (I always play PoTD) before he got knocked out. Once I got close enough I gave him a Reviving Exhortation and the pain continued. He never got abducted again. Pain retains! I guess It depends on party make up. Ever since 2.0 I play a very heavy Melee party that doesn't really have a squishy other then the priest and wizard/Cipher/Druid. Usually I have a heavy front line of 2x Paladin, Monk, Fighter/Rogue (I have this new thing where I spec them pretty defensively and they have very good survival with damn good damage output). Edited December 9, 2015 by Torm51 3 Have gun will travel.
mosspit Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 Interesting ability but I don't recall it gotten any of my party unconscious before. I too play melee heavy parties for 3 playthroughs now where most of the characters have decent defences. In fact my current all-melee playthrough has no real squishies. Even my priest wearing robes has a shield and the W&S talent. 1
Blades of Vanatar Posted December 10, 2015 Posted December 10, 2015 What defence are the wraiths attacking to cause a knockout? No matter which fork in the road you take I am certain adventure awaits.
SamHam Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Oh God I remember those a$shats... Thankfuly Itumak was always pleased taking 4 paralyzing wails and being abducted by wraiths all over the place, before the rest of the party joined the party and opened a can of whoopass.
globalCooldown Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 I like tricky shenanigans like this, tbh. I can also see how it could be bull****. In general, the easiest solution is to come out swinging with CCs and keep the enemy from tearing into the abducted party member too much. I stream every Friday at 9pm EST: http://www.twitch.tv/ladaarehn Currently streaming: KOTOR 2. Pillars of Eternity homebrew tabletop thread: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/84662-pillars-of-eternity-homebrew-wip/
Guest Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 It's usually an opening move, so it's typically over before you have time to do anything about it. In and of itself, I'm actually not that put off by it. On the foundry level, where they drop your peep on a trap and then spam everyone else with daze/paralyze attacks? That party is super frustrating. Can't imagine how anyone gets through it on higher difficulties.
Boeroer Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Maybe I was lucky - I didn't experience this at all. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Blades of Vanatar Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Possibly AI only tries this on chatacters with a particular low defense type? No matter which fork in the road you take I am certain adventure awaits.
Torm51 Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 It's usually an opening move, so it's typically over before you have time to do anything about it. In and of itself, I'm actually not that put off by it. On the foundry level, where they drop your peep on a trap and then spam everyone else with daze/paralyze attacks? That party is super frustrating. Can't imagine how anyone gets through it on higher difficulties. Did it on PotD. High save tanks like Paladins save the day in those encounters. They stay active and don't get CCed (or for very little of the time) and are able to engage the spirits in order to buy the fully CCed party members time. My PC Paladin and Pallegina were invaluable there on my PotD/ToI run. Have gun will travel.
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