Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Longknife]

 

 

 

 

 

https://archive.today/HRcWp

Get to work anons.

 

Huh, I did check Kotaku myself, even turned my adblock off. Nothing. Did they seriously run out of advertisers?

 

Of course, the moment I checked there was also an article about how Marvel has to kill off Peter Parker in the movies and make Spider-man a black guy now that they have limited rights to the character back. It's like a parody now.

It's been that way for a while. Apparently the new Netflix Zelda should feature Link and Zelda as a lesbian couple.

 

Honestly, all that fan art I've been seeing of female Link is a lot more interesting than the games have been since, well... The Adventure of Link on the NES, so hey, power to them.

 

Majora's Mask was an absolute masterpiece, you are just gay.

Majora's mask was bad, you don't have a leg to stand on.

 

 

 

Not true, I still have my left leg.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://archive.today/HRcWp

Get to work anons.

 

Huh, I did check Kotaku myself, even turned my adblock off. Nothing. Did they seriously run out of advertisers?

 

Of course, the moment I checked there was also an article about how Marvel has to kill off Peter Parker in the movies and make Spider-man a black guy now that they have limited rights to the character back. It's like a parody now.

 

It's been that way for a while. Apparently the new Netflix Zelda should feature Link and Zelda as a lesbian couple.

 

 

Honestly, all that fan art I've been seeing of female Link is a lot more interesting than the games have been since, well... The Adventure of Link on the NES, so hey, power to them.

 

 

Majora's Mask was an absolute masterpiece, you are just gay.

 

Majora's mask was bad, you don't have a leg to stand on.

 

 

 

Not true, I still have my left leg.

 

Foiled again.

 

Based Mom interviewed by Nicole Seraphita. http://apgnation.com/articles/2014/12/05/10969/interview-dr-christina-hoff-sommers

 

Cue the internalized muh soggy knee.

[kirottu]

Polygon: Games aren't inclusive because controllers.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

I don't know guys but I would be concerned with my moral compass if I read an article like that and didn't feel anything? I'm not sure how you can read something like that and at least not empathize with her suffering, I'm not sure what I found more sad her life of constant internet abuse, the way she is forced to accept it or the way her dead father was used to hurt her?

 

Maybe you guys have just become too cynical and you can't relate to anything that is not relevant to what annoys you or you support?

Why does this become a value judgement?

 

Do you criticize people if they don't cry enough at funerals?

 

 

Wow, talk about a strawman. I am not talking about how people should behave or show emotion at funerals.

 

No, you aren't. But you are telling people how they should behavie and show emotion (because you complained they didn't show enough emotion to a story you felt they should be emotional about.

 

 

There is this view that you can't expect people to show empathy

I'd argue you can't expect people to show empathy the same way you (or I) do.

 

"its a stranger, why should we care"

I'll take a quote from the Doctor Who, "The Tenth Planet" here:

 

Polly: But don't you care?

Krail: Care? No, why should I care?

Polly: Because they're people and they're going to die!

Krail: I do not understand you, there are people dying all over your world, yet you do not care about them.

 

This dialogue is actually acutely aware of human nature, and that is that we can't really undersand the scope of very large numbers. Polly represents human compassion - the desire to help the hurt that you know of while the Cyberman correctly points out that as you help that one person there are dozens more in the same situation.

 

The truth of this ladies situation is that it isn't unique but while I read that article there were other people being bullied. And not by just by random people, but by peers, by collegues, by parents or children. I empathise, but there's only so many fights one person can fight at a time.

 

yet this whole thread is full of links and examples of people we don't know who have  suffered due to their support of GG. And there is constant outrage and condemnation for how these people have been victims of abuse from various anti-GG groups 

 

So whats the difference? Why is this support and empathy  for strangers seemingly selective.

(a) because it is always selective

(b) because this thread is about Gamergate and anti-Gamergate and not the larger problem of non-Gamergate related bullying. Which is enormous, particularly with anonymous, disposable identities on the internet.

© because the anti-Gamergate group seems to condemn harrasment by Gamergaters but support harrasment of Gamergaters

 

Is it too much to ask that we at least recognize the significance of someone showing that type of forgiveness considering how she was made to feel by the troll? That is also  why this article should be seen as important and relevant.

It may be to the larger issue of cyberbullying. It seems relatively unrelated to Gamergate, however, and you made no effort to make a connection.

 

Are you saying the #NotYourShield guy who lost his job because people harrassed his work after he was doxxed and an organized harrassment campaign was created should forgive those who got him fired?

 

Are you saying that, say, Anita Sarkeesian and Briana Wu should forgive the people who harrassed them rather than continuing to use this harrassment as a way to tar anyone who disagrees with them by lumping them into the same group?

 

Are you saying that anti-Gamergaters and Gamergaters should forgive each other for the harrassment that people who may not even be affiliated with their movements have done?

 

Should Gamers everywhere forgive those who lept to say they were worse than ISIS and needed to all die (or worse be killed actively)?

 

^That's a major part of why I don't use Wikipedia.

I tried to add some details about a place I went to school (particularly, some of the famous people who went there before, during and after I was there) but because I don't have a way to refrence it, its not credible.

 

But if I did an internet article "The Famous People Who Went to [school]" then I could quote that as a source in the wikipedia article. 'Tis silly.

 

 

Amentep thanks for the detailed response, you have raised some good points as usual. But  we will have to agree to disagree on several things. But I don't want to derail this thread with a  discussion that clearly isn't important to most people. So I will just leave you with the last word. Until our debate then

[Malcador]

Polygon: Games aren't inclusive because controllers.

That is true. But I am not sure it is really a problem and what technical hurdles are present that make it non cost effective.

 

What the **** does inclusive mean these days anyway?

[Fighter]

Polygon: Games aren't inclusive because controllers.

 

Do we want more gamers, or do we want to be happy being inside a small community of fans who are willing to put the time and money into learning how to play, and maintaining the equipment needed to do so?

 

I think the quote above encapsulates their fallacy. We are not a "small community of fans", we are the biggest entertainment in the world... What else is there to say?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://medium.com/@adrianchm/context-matters-on-feminist-frequency-joss-whedon-and-violence-5d131c07e158

 

Not about journalism, but a good read.

[Keyrock]

What the **** does inclusive mean these days anyway?

 

Inclusive 

 

/inˈklo͞osiv/

adjective

 

• Specifically catering toward the pet project of the SJWs in a manner completely consistent with their vision of how things should be

[Blarghagh]

Regarding the conversation earlier on Super Hero "inclusivity", I saw this on DeviantArt.

 

[Malcador]

 

What the **** does inclusive mean these days anyway?

Inclusive 

 

/inˈklo͞osiv/

adjective

• Specifically catering toward the pet project of the SJWs in a manner completely consistent with their vision of how things should be

Just an odd article, complaining about games being 'inaccessible' due to mechanics or difficulty. Comments have people arguing DOTA 2 needs a mode that anyone can play...for some reason (they can do it now, I guess one needs to win to play, or something).

I can understand someone being aggrieved if their arthritis prevents them from enjoying a game but not if they just cave before the challenge of a game.

[Blarghagh]

Dota 2 is an eSports game. Do they also complain that they can't play basketball if they're short?

[Keyrock]

This is the same ridiculous participation trophy, everyone's a winner argument that's already ruining (physical) sports and our society.  It's turning the next generation into entitled brats, and this is what this is all about, entitlement.  Some people feel they should be entitled to excel at competitive games without having to put in the hard work necessary to excel at said game, which is completely ridiculous.  Competitive games, by their very nature, have to be very difficult to master.  It's what makes them competitive.

 

As for controller issues, that's a very real thing, and I feel for people with mobility issues.  Unfortunately, we don't have the technology to control games with our thoughts yet.  Until we do, this will always be a problem and the best we can do is include options to help lessen the problem to a small degree.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I don't see what's the big deal about learning the controls and rules of a game. You wouldn't jump into football without knowing how to play would you?

[Fighter]

Reminds me of that "SJW future" parody video.

 

"We are all number 1"

[Meshugger]

Polygon: Games aren't inclusive because controllers.

 

[Namutree]

 

Polygon: Games aren't inclusive because controllers.

 

 

That's pretty impressive.

[Meshugger]

Want to have a laugh while waiting for the SVU episode to run? Have at it:

 

https://archive.today/guoOJ

 

 

 

Lastly, I am calling on the Obama administration to arrest and prosecute Fredrick Brennan, the owner of 8chan. 8chan doesn’t just host child pornography, it also runs Baphomet, the most hardcore doxxing and swatting site on the Internet. It’s time for Brennan to face justice.

[Malcador]

Software increasingly defines the world around us. It’s rewriting everything about human interaction — I spend a lot more time on my iPhone than I do at my local civic center. Facebook, Apple, Tinder, Snapchat, and Google create our social realities — how we make friends, how we get jobs, and how mankind interacts. And the truth is, women don’t truly have a seat at the table.

This has disastrous consequences for women that use these systems built by men for men

I am curious as to the ingrained male bias of something like Facebook (oh right, the poking is representative of the act of penetration, maybe?) or Twitter or what have you.

 

Well, at least Wu states what she wants. It's gets a bit loopy when she calls on the Obama administration to arrest ONE guy.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Want to have a laugh while waiting for the SVU episode to run? Have at it:

 

https://archive.today/guoOJ

 

 

 

 

Lastly, I am calling on the Obama administration to arrest and prosecute Fredrick Brennan, the owner of 8chan. 8chan doesn’t just host child pornography, it also runs Baphomet, the most hardcore doxxing and swatting site on the Internet. It’s time for Brennan to face justice.

Nothing says Social Justice like a rich white person calling for the arrest of a wheelchair-bound programmer who has broken no laws.

 

PS, /baph/ got nuked after the posting of SSNs.

[Blarghagh]

I like the part where she calls out gaming media about being a bunch of white men pretending they're allies to women. That sounds very much like something a #GamerGater would say.

[Zoraptor]

Don't know what it is about narcissists but they almost always end up sounding like they're satirising themselves.

 

Hmm. Most SJWs end up sounding like they are satirising themselves; narcissists end up sounding like they're satirising themselves... hmm. I'm sure it's coincidence.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://medium.com/@adrianchm/context-matters-part-2-on-the-toxicity-of-damsel-in-distress-8d95c68e3484

 

Moar Adrian.

[kirottu]

https://medium.com/@adrianchm/context-matters-part-2-on-the-toxicity-of-damsel-in-distress-8d95c68e3484

 

Moar Adrian.

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

That Law and Order destroyed my sides.

[Namutree]

That Law and Order destroyed my sides.

I didn't watch it; care to give a summary?