Blarghagh Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 But women are oppressed for their feminine parts. They are victims of patriarchal society and should be protected so these depictions of them exploting their femininity must be censored! But seriously, I agree with you. It's things like this why I hitched my wagon to GG. First and second wave feminists fought long and hard to reclaim their femininity, sexuality and the right not to have to cover up (such as bra burning) and if these women have no problems with modeling topless then they should do so. If they can make money out of the fact that men are obsessed with their bags of fat with nipples (don't get me wrong, I love boobs, but I often wonder why ) then power to them exploiting the stupidity of men (and lesbians, don't want to be heterosexist). How is a woman who is confident and comfortable with her body a negative thing because of how men react to it? What is the difference in "objectification" between a topless model and a model in a bikini anyway? This is just the Muslim argument for Burkas, women must be covered up so men don't get the oppertunity to be awful about it. *flies away because he's trying not to write giant walls of text in this thread anymore as they are time consuming* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-20/the-sun-strips-page-three-of-topless-girls/6028872 Another possible dark day for freedom of choice boys, the Sun newspaper has decided to remove topless pictures of glamour models from page 3 . Various feminist campaigns have raised their concern around how these models were portrayed saying it was sexist and objectified women Personally I'm not sure if I support this move as I have just watched several interviews on Sky with various models and they all say they were paid good money to pose in pictures and they considered the pictures tasteful and also that they weren't feeling objectified in anyway So the question is " do these models have right to decide if they want to go topless " ....or do we let members of civil society tell them what they should be doing ? You could argue the models don't know what there pictures represent symbolically ...so maybe its not up to them to decide. But its not like its full nudity so I think the models should be able to decide for themselves? But women are oppressed for their feminine parts. They are victims of patriarchal society and should be protected so these depictions of them exploting their femininity must be censored! But seriously, I agree with you. It's things like this why I hitched my wagon to GG. First and second wave feminists fought long and hard to reclaim their femininity, sexuality and the right not to have to cover up (such as bra burning) and if these women have no problems with modeling topless then they should do so. If they can make money out of the fact that men are obsessed with their bags of fat with nipples (don't get me wrong, I love boobs, but I often wonder why ) then power to them exploiting the stupidity of men (and lesbians, don't want to be heterosexist). How is a woman who is confident and comfortable with her body a negative thing because of how men react to it? What is the difference in "objectification" between a topless model and a model in a bikini anyway? This is just the Muslim argument for Burkas, women must be covered up so men don't get the oppertunity to be awful about it. *flies away because he's trying not to write giant walls of text in this thread anymore as they are time consuming* I used to agree with this but after learning that women aren't getting into STEM fields and the ones that do seem to leave their jobs to do porn I agree with the feminist doing something to force women to be better. Not fair that they get to be paid more just to be pretty, once they eliminate those jobs they can stoke the fires by claiming that the pay gap has widened. Very Machiavellian these feminist, they have my respect for it. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) @FartToContinue continues digging through the connections between Intel, IGDA and FemFreq http://theralphretort.com/intel-exposed-farttocontinue-reason-anitas-cashout-becomes-clearer-0120015/ Anyone remember the CP allegations against 8chan? well... https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2t5675/infamous_internet_mess_fakes_suicide_after/ Edited January 21, 2015 by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The Media: "Tomb Raider fan." That's just so random and out of nowhere for no logical reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Anyone remember the CP allegations against 8chan? well... https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2t5675/infamous_internet_mess_fakes_suicide_after/ That's quite sickening. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Some dude's response to Yahtzee http://freethoughtblogs.com/indelible/2015/01/20/arguments-to-reconsider-words-is-not-thought-policing/ Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 "Nobody is trying to ban those words." In the same way nobody is trying to take away video games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about? Also another argument I heard this week: Violence against women is "edgy" in the first place because it is not socially acceptable. It is edgy because by definition it is pushing against the boundaries of what's acceptable. Edited January 21, 2015 by Fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 After Yatzee's article on "The PC Gamer Master Race", there has been rumors of people quitting The Escapist, including Greg Tito Also, 4chan is now on life-support: https://www.4chan.org/news?all#118 Thank you for all the memes, raids and endless pool of fun. The torch has now been given to 8chan. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about? Also another argument I heard this week: Violence against women is "edgy" in the first place because it is not socially acceptable. It is edgy because by definition it is pushing against the boundaries of what's acceptable. yeah it's quite schizophrenic - we want more womens in games but dont hurt them! Equality my ass I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about? Also another argument I heard this week: Violence against women is "edgy" in the first place because it is not socially acceptable. It is edgy because by definition it is pushing against the boundaries of what's acceptable. yeah it's quite schizophrenic - we want more womens in games but dont hurt them! Equality my ass The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work? Edited January 21, 2015 by Longknife "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work? It's the "progressive stack". A white male is mocking the religion of people of color. Thus "punching down". Thus unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work? It's the "progressive stack". A white male is mocking the religion of people of color. Thus "punching down". Thus unacceptable. Yo McIntosh, it's against my religion for the sexy women I hang out with to wear tops. Don't hate or you're oppressing me. "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaeliorin Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I have to admit, I'm kind of at the point where I'm hoping that the social justice people go really nuts, just because I'm looking forward to the day I can push the left-handed agenda. I'm sick of all you privileged righties keeping me down! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) After Yatzee's article on "The PC Gamer Master Race", there has been rumors of people quitting The Escapist, including Greg Tito Greg Tito is leaving, but due to budget cuts. It's not just the Escapist, but GameFront and GameTrailers as well. Defy Media, who owns them, slashed a bunch of budgets. It's not related to Yahtzee's article or GG as far as I can tell. Thankfully, the lovely Janelle Bonnano seems to still be EIC of GameFront. EDIT: Although this article makes a compelling argument that I'm totally wrong: http://www.alienpickle.com/2015/01/defy-media-cuts-staff-at-escapist.html Edited January 21, 2015 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Ah, that was good. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I've dismissed this until that last Greg Tito tweet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Wait. If you use 'PC Master Race' it means you are a racist nazi. WHAT!?! Are people that idiotic? DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I thought Gamergate largely left the Escapist alone because they weren't being ****. How is a ton of people getting sacked by "one of the good guys" a victory for Gamergate? Edited January 21, 2015 by Oerwinde The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Yeah, I didn't catch that one either. I've been by and large supportive of the Escapist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Speaking of the Escapist, how much does Jim Sterling make per month via Patreon? "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work? It's the "progressive stack". A white male is mocking the religion of people of color. Thus "punching down". Thus unacceptable. The justification they would use would be broadly equivalent to Star Trek's Prime Directive. It's fine to influence your own people (The Federation/ The west) because that's done on an equal footing but others must be left to develop as they see fit without outside influence because of an imbalance in power. It doesn't really work in ST and is very routinely ignored in plot; certainly doesn't work in the real world either, outside of theory. It would be interesting to see if Gene Roddenberry were still alive if he ended up in the extremist SJW fringe, some of his stuff in ST original was genuinely progressive (ie in a good way) but some stuff in TNG ended up being almost parody progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Totally off-topic but gotta admit, the correlation between ridiculous hair dye colors and the inability to use facts, logic and evidence is beginning to seem pretty strong. Maybe somebody should actually research this. Bonus points for how the title of that video actually does ironically play into the "gamers are sexist!" narrative. xD Edited January 21, 2015 by Longknife "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Speaking of the Escapist, how much does Jim Sterling make per month via Patreon? About 10k. Actually, GameFront was part of the same budget cuts and their EiC appeared on TotalBiscuits GG roundtable and was mostly supportive of it. Again, how on earth is this a victory for GG? Edited January 21, 2015 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about? I'd wager the Comics Code Authority. Essentially it was a set of standards imposed by an organization funded by the large comic publishers in response to moral panic. The result was censorship of non-CCA approved comics, in that such comics wouldn't be distributed widely and the average reader wouldn't have access to them. It parallels the current moral panic IMO. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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