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Interesting that Quinn's site professes to have white hat hackers and infosec experts. So, what they're going to start counter-hacking people ? Remarkable amount of coverage for it though, even if I am left rather unimpressed with the title. I was expecting some thing more along the naming lines of Aegis or Safe or something.

 

Not sure how one overrides a crash. A minor quibble though.

 

I tried to explain this when Anita was in that ABC documentary. The biggest problem facing GG is the public perception that faces it, you guys just aren't getting your message across in the right way. You are seen as misogynistic and bigoted by many . I don't know how you will resolve this because "anti-GG" has the ear of mainstream media

 

And its understandable because SJW have for years been building campaigns and cementing relationships with certain media houses because the message from them in its basic form is a good message that most people agree with, " we want equality in society" ....what person with a semblance of a moral conscience is going to be opposed to this?

 

So GG is trying to take on an established social giant that has real resources. The bad things that "anti-GG" do is generally ignored by civil society because of all the good the movement does and what people believe is the right thing. Is support for "anti-GG" sometimes misplaced and unfair. Yes it is but it doesn't change the reality of the support they receive from people outside of gaming 

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

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Interesting that Quinn's site professes to have white hat hackers and infosec experts. So, what they're going to start counter-hacking people ? Remarkable amount of coverage for it though, even if I am left rather unimpressed with the title. I was expecting some thing more along the naming lines of Aegis or Safe or something.

 

Not sure how one overrides a crash. A minor quibble though.

 

I tried to explain this when Anita was in that ABC documentary. The biggest problem facing GG is the public perception that faces it, you guys just aren't getting your message across in the right way. You are seen as misogynistic and bigoted by many .

 

http://imgur.com/18tAMJ2

 

That's couple days old. GamerGate has shown that simply because you control the Narrative, it doesn't mean you control the public perception. 

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Interesting that Quinn's site professes to have white hat hackers and infosec experts. So, what they're going to start counter-hacking people ? Remarkable amount of coverage for it though, even if I am left rather unimpressed with the title. I was expecting some thing more along the naming lines of Aegis or Safe or something.

 

Not sure how one overrides a crash. A minor quibble though.

 

I tried to explain this when Anita was in that ABC documentary. The biggest problem facing GG is the public perception that faces it, you guys just aren't getting your message across in the right way. You are seen as misogynistic and bigoted by many .

 

http://imgur.com/18tAMJ2

 

That's couple days old. GamerGate has shown that simply because you control the Narrative, it doesn't mean you control the public perception. 

 

 

Thats is interesting, has there been a " right to respond " officially given to GG by ABC to explain their side of the debate?

 

Has ABC apologized,  because to be honest 25 K people voting down the video on Youtube doesn't mean much for the millions of people who follow ABC, don't care about Youtube and believe what ABC talk about ?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I believe that I may have suffered permanent cerebral damage from the amount of times i've facepalmed while reading anti-GG comments, so please donate to my Patreon. That's @RobinYu, thank you.

 

Edit: Can I claim that my hand is harassing me? Thinking about it there may be a possible sexual assault charge in there as well!

 

You're a Taiwanese 22 year old boy?!

 

 

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I don't think Movie Bob has had enough experience with masculinity to make that call, honestly.

 

As for GG not getting it's message across, that's sadly true. I've been in several discussions with people that claimed I supported or benefited from the actions of harassers. Neither are true, since I abhor the harassers, they make sure we can't actually talk about the thing we want to talk about and ruin our PR. The worst thing is, there have been several instances of harassment that were confirmed to have come from anti-GG (including the douche who posted child pornography on 8chan to "prove" that 8chan hosted child pornography) or third party trolls like the GNAA, so really there's very little options to stop it. Even if we were able to shut up every GG crazy, it wouldn't matter.

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I don't think Movie Bob has had enough experience with masculinity to make that call, honestly.

 

As for GG not getting it's message across, that's sadly true. I've been in several discussions with people that claimed I supported or benefited from the actions of harassers. Neither are true, since I abhor the harassers, they make sure we can't actually talk about the thing we want to talk about and ruin our PR. The worst thing is, there have been several instances of harassment that were confirmed to have come from anti-GG (including the douche who posted child pornography on 8chan to "prove" that 8chan hosted child pornography) or third party trolls like the GNAA, so really there's very little options to stop it. Even if we were able to shut up every GG crazy, it wouldn't matter.

 

 

 

I've actually yet to encounter an anti-GG proponent in random communities who I could not either silence (in the case of the extremely loyal SJW types who actively oppose GG) or convince they had the wrong idea.

 

All you need to do is put yourself in the shoes of a neutral: a neutral is a person inexperienced with the issue who hasn't read up on it, and sure enough it they google GamerGate, the top three results are the extremely bias wikipedia article, an article by Gawker, and rationalwiki, which is basically the SJW wiki. They know nothing about it and the little exposure they do have is "IT'S EVIL, SHUN THEM."

 

As such, all you need do is calmly and civily explain what the real issues are or how they might have it wrong. It's pretty simple, in my experience, and I can proudly say I've led a couple people to say they'd look into it after having spoken with me.

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Oh yeah, I agree. I've convinced my share of people that things are not what they seem.

 

Also, TotalBiscuit responded to a tweet of mine. SENPAI NOTICED ME.

 

I laughed way too much at this. :grin:

 

What did he say?

Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken

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Oh yeah, I agree. I've convinced my share of people that things are not what they seem.

 

Also, TotalBiscuit responded to a tweet of mine. SENPAI NOTICED ME.

 

 

I don't know this wonderful feeling. Senpai never notices me, regardless of the Senpai.

 

I got a comment on Vinny's Tomodachi Life soap opera series with 290 upvotes and tons of people saying they were gonna email the comment to Vinny or the like cuz amazing comment, and he still didn't notice me. :C

 

 

Wait, I had a conversation with a porn star about various studies regarding video games, violence and sex. Nevermind, I don't need senpai.

"The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him."

 

 

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Oh yeah, I agree. I've convinced my share of people that things are not what they seem.

 

Also, TotalBiscuit responded to a tweet of mine. SENPAI NOTICED ME.

 

I laughed way too much at this. :grin:

 

What did he say?

 

 

He laughed at traditional games press saying YouTubers are on their way out, I asked a rethorical question about who the biggest Steam Curator is, and he responded with "all goobergater sockpuppets, of course".

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I don't think Movie Bob has had enough experience with masculinity to make that call, honestly.

 

From the way he rants about it feels like he does. In a way. Like he's been passed over in life by "real men" or something. He is like that nerd stereotype from TV who grew up to be more sucessful (getting paid for writing bull on the internet isn't half-bad, well done Bob) than the boys who bullied him except he still feels bitter.

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I tried to explain this when Anita was in that ABC documentary. The biggest problem facing GG is the public perception that faces it, you guys just aren't getting your message across in the right way. You are seen as misogynistic and bigoted by many . I don't know how you will resolve this because "anti-GG" has the ear of mainstream media

 

And its understandable because SJW have for years been building campaigns and cementing relationships with certain media houses because the message from them in its basic form is a good message that most people agree with, " we want equality in society" ....what person with a semblance of a moral conscience is going to be opposed to this?

 

So GG is trying to take on an established social giant that has real resources. The bad things that "anti-GG" do is generally ignored by civil society because of all the good the movement does and what people believe is the right thing. Is support for "anti-GG" sometimes misplaced and unfair. Yes it is but it doesn't change the reality of the support they receive from people outside of gaming

Yep. Being a victim is a teat that keeps on giving, especially when it's just abuse on Twitter and online. Cute that you think the message is people wanting equality though, I still of the opinion that's just a sword that cuts one way for a lot of them (guilt ridden white guys 'checking' their privelege aside).

 

Good business for her and Quinn, never thought people could be so stupid as to directly provide welfare to someone to make videos, or a 'game' or a website of all things :lol:

 

 

I feel cheated on Twitter, I just got Cheong to post "stop weaponizing me" when I flamed Chu. Just surreal to read that out loud :lol:

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http://imgur.com/o3zOaNN

 

One clear proof that for these people it's never what is being portrayed, it's who are doing it.

 

Kickstarter: https://archive.today/6hQmK

Gamasutra’s editor: https://archive.today/JzpSg

Kotaku echoing the narrative: https://archive.today/EuSCO

Consentacle - gamasutra: https://archive.today/0iVmA

Gamasutra’s writer friends with the developer: https://archive.today/TLWk9

Consentacle – Kotaku: https://archive.today/ZgglT

Kotaku’s writer friends with the developer: https://archive.today/vVY4n

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How'd you do that?

I think Chu mentioned something about past deeds being held against someone, so I mentioned what about Ian Miles Cheong and his Nazi past. :lol:

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How'd you do that?

I think Chu mentioned something about past deeds being held against someone, so I mentioned what about Ian Miles Cheong and his Nazi past. :lol:

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I am sad at how many worthless hacks were elevated into the clouds by this. All the Quinns, Wus, Chus.

No wonder they hate meritocracy, they don't have anything of value to contribute.

"Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic

"I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus

"Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander

"Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador

"You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort

"thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex

"Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock

"Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco

"we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii

"I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing

"feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth

"Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi

"Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor

"I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine

"Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands

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Okay, now that one actually does really piss me off.

I think this is the third time I heard you say those exact words.

I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"*

 

*If you can't tell, it's you. ;)

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http://imgur.com/o3zOaNN

 

One clear proof that for these people it's never what is being portrayed, it's who are doing it.

 

Kickstarter: https://archive.today/6hQmK

Gamasutra’s editor: https://archive.today/JzpSg

Kotaku echoing the narrative: https://archive.today/EuSCO

Consentacle - gamasutra: https://archive.today/0iVmA

Gamasutra’s writer friends with the developer: https://archive.today/TLWk9

Consentacle – Kotaku: https://archive.today/ZgglT

Kotaku’s writer friends with the developer: https://archive.today/vVY4n

 

Damn, that was some excellent digging.

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"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/extra-punctuation/12882-The-PC-Master-Race-Discussion-Political-Correctness-vs-Language-?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=all

 

Yahtzee weighs in on the "PC Master Race" discussion and also briefly touches on GG. He claims both sides are mostly stupid (honestly, somewhat true), though his actual points seem to support some things we've been saying, specifically regarding free speech, thought policing and how games journalism should be about games.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-20/the-sun-strips-page-three-of-topless-girls/6028872

 

Another possible  dark day for freedom of choice boys, the Sun newspaper has decided to remove topless pictures of glamour models from page 3 . Various feminist campaigns have raised their concern around how these models were portrayed saying it was sexist and objectified women

 

Personally I'm not sure if I support this move as I have just watched several  interviews on Sky with various models and they all say they were paid good money to pose in pictures and they considered the pictures tasteful and also that they weren't  feeling objectified in anyway

 

So the question is " do these models have right to decide if they want to go topless " ....or do we let members of civil society tell them what they should be doing ? You could argue the models don't know what there pictures represent symbolically ...so maybe its not up to them to decide. But its not like its full nudity so I think the models should be able to decide for themselves?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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