Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Blarghagh]

But women are oppressed for their feminine parts. They are victims of patriarchal society and should be protected so these depictions of them exploting their femininity must be censored!

 

But seriously, I agree with you. It's things like this why I hitched my wagon to GG. First and second wave feminists fought long and hard to reclaim their femininity, sexuality and the right not to have to cover up (such as bra burning) and if these women have no problems with modeling topless then they should do so. If they can make money out of the fact that men are obsessed with their bags of fat with nipples (don't get me wrong, I love boobs, but I often wonder why ) then power to them exploiting the stupidity of men (and lesbians, don't want to be heterosexist). How is a woman who is confident and comfortable with her body a negative thing because of how men react to it? What is the difference in "objectification" between a topless model and a model in a bikini anyway? This is just the Muslim argument for Burkas, women must be covered up so men don't get the oppertunity to be awful about it.

 

*flies away because he's trying not to write giant walls of text in this thread anymore as they are time consuming*

[Orogun01]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-20/the-sun-strips-page-three-of-topless-girls/6028872

 

Another possible  dark day for freedom of choice boys, the Sun newspaper has decided to remove topless pictures of glamour models from page 3 . Various feminist campaigns have raised their concern around how these models were portrayed saying it was sexist and objectified women

 

Personally I'm not sure if I support this move as I have just watched several  interviews on Sky with various models and they all say they were paid good money to pose in pictures and they considered the pictures tasteful and also that they weren't  feeling objectified in anyway

 

So the question is " do these models have right to decide if they want to go topless " ....or do we let members of civil society tell them what they should be doing ? You could argue the models don't know what there pictures represent symbolically ...so maybe its not up to them to decide. But its not like its full nudity so I think the models should be able to decide for themselves?

 

 

But women are oppressed for their feminine parts. They are victims of patriarchal society and should be protected so these depictions of them exploting their femininity must be censored!

 

But seriously, I agree with you. It's things like this why I hitched my wagon to GG. First and second wave feminists fought long and hard to reclaim their femininity, sexuality and the right not to have to cover up (such as bra burning) and if these women have no problems with modeling topless then they should do so. If they can make money out of the fact that men are obsessed with their bags of fat with nipples (don't get me wrong, I love boobs, but I often wonder why ) then power to them exploiting the stupidity of men (and lesbians, don't want to be heterosexist). How is a woman who is confident and comfortable with her body a negative thing because of how men react to it? What is the difference in "objectification" between a topless model and a model in a bikini anyway? This is just the Muslim argument for Burkas, women must be covered up so men don't get the oppertunity to be awful about it.

 

*flies away because he's trying not to write giant walls of text in this thread anymore as they are time consuming*

I used to agree with this but after learning that women aren't getting into STEM fields and the ones that do seem to leave their jobs to do porn I agree with the feminist doing something to force women to be better. Not fair that they get to be paid more just to be pretty, once they eliminate those jobs they can stoke the fires by claiming that the pay gap has widened. Very Machiavellian these feminist, they have my respect for it.

[Meshugger]

@FartToContinue continues digging through the connections between Intel, IGDA and FemFreq

 

http://theralphretort.com/intel-exposed-farttocontinue-reason-anitas-cashout-becomes-clearer-0120015/

 

Anyone remember the CP allegations against 8chan? well...

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2t5675/infamous_internet_mess_fakes_suicide_after/

Edited January 21, 2015 by Meshugger

[Fighter]

The Media:

 

 

"Tomb Raider fan." That's just so random and out of nowhere for no logical reason.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Anyone remember the CP allegations against 8chan? well...

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2t5675/infamous_internet_mess_fakes_suicide_after/

That's quite sickening.

[Malcador]

Some dude's response to Yahtzee

 

http://freethoughtblogs.com/indelible/2015/01/20/arguments-to-reconsider-words-is-not-thought-policing/

[Blarghagh]

"Nobody is trying to ban those words."

 

In the same way nobody is trying to take away video games?

[Fighter]

I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about?

 

Also another argument I heard this week: Violence against women is "edgy" in the first place because it is not socially acceptable. It is edgy because by definition it is pushing against the boundaries of what's acceptable.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Fighter

[Meshugger]

After Yatzee's article on "The PC Gamer Master Race", there has been rumors of people quitting The Escapist, including Greg Tito

 

Also, 4chan is now on life-support:

 

https://www.4chan.org/news?all#118

 

Thank you for all the memes, raids and endless pool of fun. The torch has now been given to 8chan. 

[Chilloutman]

I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about?

 

Also another argument I heard this week: Violence against women is "edgy" in the first place because it is not socially acceptable. It is edgy because by definition it is pushing against the boundaries of what's acceptable.

 

yeah it's quite schizophrenic - we want more womens in games but dont hurt them! Equality my ass

[Longknife]

 

I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about?

 

Also another argument I heard this week: Violence against women is "edgy" in the first place because it is not socially acceptable. It is edgy because by definition it is pushing against the boundaries of what's acceptable.

 

yeah it's quite schizophrenic - we want more womens in games but dont hurt them! Equality my ass

 

 

 

The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work?

Edited January 21, 2015 by Longknife

[Fighter]

The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work?

 

It's the "progressive stack". A white male is mocking the religion of people of color. Thus "punching down". Thus unacceptable.

[Longknife]

 

The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work?

 

It's the "progressive stack". A white male is mocking the religion of people of color. Thus "punching down". Thus unacceptable.

 

 

 

Yo McIntosh, it's against my religion for the sexy women I hang out with to wear tops. Don't hate or you're oppressing me.

[Vaeliorin]

I have to admit, I'm kind of at the point where I'm hoping that the social justice people go really nuts, just because I'm looking forward to the day I can push the left-handed agenda. I'm sick of all you privileged righties keeping me down!

[Blarghagh]

After Yatzee's article on "The PC Gamer Master Race", there has been rumors of people quitting The Escapist, including Greg Tito

 

Greg Tito is leaving, but due to budget cuts. It's not just the Escapist, but GameFront and GameTrailers as well. Defy Media, who owns them, slashed a bunch of budgets. It's not related to Yahtzee's article or GG as far as I can tell. Thankfully, the lovely Janelle Bonnano seems to still be EIC of GameFront.

 

EDIT: Although this article makes a compelling argument that I'm totally wrong:

 

http://www.alienpickle.com/2015/01/defy-media-cuts-staff-at-escapist.html

Edited January 21, 2015 by TrueNeutral

[Malcador]

 

Ah, that was good.

[Fighter]

I've dismissed this until that last Greg Tito tweet...

[Volourn]

Wait. If you use 'PC Master Race' it means you are a racist nazi. WHAT!?!

 

Are people that idiotic?

[Oerwinde]

I thought Gamergate largely left the Escapist alone because they weren't being ****. How is a ton of people getting sacked by "one of the good guys" a victory for Gamergate?

Edited January 21, 2015 by Oerwinde

[Blarghagh]

Yeah, I didn't catch that one either. I've been by and large supportive of the Escapist.

[Longknife]

Speaking of the Escapist, how much does Jim Sterling make per month via Patreon?

[Zoraptor]

 

The entire thing is schitzo. FFS McIntosh and Anita flip their lids if someone criticizes Muslim culture but simultaneously call themselves feminists. How exactly does that even work?

 

It's the "progressive stack". A white male is mocking the religion of people of color. Thus "punching down". Thus unacceptable.

 

 

The justification they would use would be broadly equivalent to Star Trek's Prime Directive. It's fine to influence your own people (The Federation/ The west) because that's done on an equal footing but others must be left to develop as they see fit without outside influence because of an imbalance in power.

 

It doesn't really work in ST and is very routinely ignored in plot; certainly doesn't work in the real world either, outside of theory. It would be interesting to see if Gene Roddenberry were still alive if he ended up in the extremist SJW fringe, some of his stuff in ST original was genuinely progressive (ie in a good way) but some stuff in TNG ended up being almost parody progressive.

[Longknife]

 

 

 

Totally off-topic but gotta admit, the correlation between ridiculous hair dye colors and the inability to use facts, logic and evidence is beginning to seem pretty strong. Maybe somebody should actually research this.

 

Bonus points for how the title of that video actually does ironically play into the "gamers are sexist!" narrative. xD

Edited January 21, 2015 by Longknife

[Blarghagh]

Speaking of the Escapist, how much does Jim Sterling make per month via Patreon?

 

About 10k.

 

Actually, GameFront was part of the same budget cuts and their EiC appeared on TotalBiscuits GG roundtable and was mostly supportive of it. Again, how on earth is this a victory for GG?

Edited January 21, 2015 by TrueNeutral

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I caught part of Totalbiscuit's podcast when they were talking about comic books. I am pretty clueless of the comic book world but supposedly years ago a moral outrage of some kind happened and de facto censored mature content from comic books for years to come. Anyone know what they were talking about?

I'd wager the Comics Code Authority. Essentially it was a set of standards imposed by an organization funded by the large comic publishers in response to moral panic. The result was censorship of non-CCA approved comics, in that such comics wouldn't be distributed widely and the average reader wouldn't have access to them.

 

It parallels the current moral panic IMO.