Drama in indy gaming and games journalism part 2

[Amentep]

 

 

 

Dear Esther didn't...? Who in their right mind would say that? The game practically runs on Women In Refrigerators! The core of the game is literally a story of discovery by a man motivated solely by the violent death of his wife!

I guess when a lot of the alternatives boil down to "the love of your life has been corrupted so you must execute her in cold blood", even Dear Esther is starting to look good.

 

I've never actually seen that scenario in a game.

 

BG2, although you could resurrect them and it could be a dude.

 

You almost make it sound like when you bring them back their gender is randomly assigned.

 

Which might have made BG2 even more interesting. And possibly prevented the Aerie-baby-as-inventory-item bit if she'd come back as a dude.

 

Chris Redfield has to sorta-kinda-almost kill Jill Valentine in RE5 while she's under Wesker's control. But there seems like there should be a big obvious one somewhere in the back of my mind that fits this scenario.

[Blarghagh]

I always thought the point of BG2 was to bring them back. I can't actually recall there being an option to kill them but maybe there was and I just never noticed.

 

Alternative is usually the Max Payne type scenario, your wife is dead, go kill people.

 

Or the Dear Esther variant, your wife is dead, go walk around.

[Malcador]

Hm, that'd make good bereavement counseling. "Your wife's been murdered ? Walk it off, son"

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

I've never actually seen that scenario in a game.

 

 

Prey, the latest Alone in the Dark episode, not predetermined but a possible outcome in Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles and Pandora's Tower, not-love-of-your-life variant in a God of War spinoff (your mother), in Borderlands 2 and Duke Nukem (classic and Forever both).

 

 

Hm, that'd make good bereavement counseling. "Your wife's been murdered ? Walk it off, son"

 

 

Funny thing is, it'd work. Endorphines get released by walking, so sending people to walk it off is surprisingly efficient in treating depression.

Edited September 19, 2014 by aluminiumtrioxid

[Blarghagh]

Thanks for informing me. I don't remember it in Prey and Duke Nukem (both were a long time ago for me) and I haven't played the others.

[HoonDing]

 

 

Dear Esther didn't...? Who in their right mind would say that? The game practically runs on Women In Refrigerators! The core of the game is literally a story of discovery by a man motivated solely by the violent death of his wife!

 

I guess when a lot of the alternatives boil down to "the love of your life has been corrupted so you must execute her in cold blood", even Dear Esther is starting to look good.

 

 

I've never actually seen that scenario in a game.

 

Binary Domain.

 

KotOR.

 

NWN.

[Blarghagh]

KotOR is hardly you must execute her. You can join her, bring her back to the lightside, let her go, you could even chose to let her kill you. It is one of many options.

[Malcador]

 

(probably faked though)

Edited September 19, 2014 by Malcador

[Orogun01]

Plz god, let it be true

[Malcador]

Does seem dramatic and precious as I'd expect Kuchera to be, at least.

 

https://archive.today/qSwU9 - Polygon's counterstroke at Sommers.

[licketysplit]

Plz god, let it be true

 

May be fake. Sure summarizes the victim mindset these guys espouse. It's ok for them to sling sh*t, but god forbid someone sling it back. Already read that Polygon article, 5 minutes I'll never get back. Talk about grasping for straws. It amazes me how uniformly they back Sarkeesian. She really is their mascot.

Edited September 19, 2014 by licketysplit

[aluminiumtrioxid]

https://archive.today/qSwU9 - Polygon's counterstroke at Sommers.

 

I'm gonna be strong and not give them a view by clicking on it.

[kirottu]

"This is the last time I'm going to post here." 

 

This reminded me of Hades, but comparing Hades to Ben Kuchera is an insult towards Hades.

[Malcador]

It's archived, so not a link to Polygon (Kuchera would label this as piracy )

[aluminiumtrioxid]

It's archived, so not a link to Polygon (Kuchera would label this as piracy )

 

Ah. Reading it now.

[Fighter]

Silverstring media's Zoya:

 

"TotalBiscuit’s rapey interpretation of journalistic ethics."

 

http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=11941

[Ineth]

Dear Esther didn't...? Who in their right mind would say that? The game practically runs on Women In Refrigerators! The core of the game is literally a story of discovery by a man motivated solely by the violent death of his wife!

Wait. Dear Esther has a story? I thought it was one of those "art hipster" non-games, where you're supposed to just walk around the virtual world and enjoy how "artistically meaningful" and "deep" the experience is.

[Blarghagh]

Silverstring media's Zoya:

 

"TotalBiscuit’s rapey interpretation of journalistic ethics."

 

http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=11941

 

Wow, let's completely ignore the horrific trivialisation of rape from this supposed feminist for a minute and realize that this doesn't actually cover anything that TotalBiscuit actually said. He said that if it is true that she used a DMCA Takedown to remove a video she didn't agree then he condemned her for that action and that is literally the only thing he said that can be construed as being negative towards Zoe Quinn. This is another example of anti-GamerGate people dragging Zoe into it when she isn't even relevant - painting a target on her forehead and throwing her under the bus to further their own agenda. It's all fine and dandy to throw complete lies around if you're willing to use someone who has already been victimized as a lightning rod to keep the heat off yourself.

 

What a terrible, terrible person. The world is literally a worse place for everybody on both sides because this article and its writer exist. I very dearly hope TotalBiscuit doesn't dignify it with a response.

[Amentep]

^it was posted a couple of weeks ago, based on the date. If he's to respond, I'd suspect he already had.

[Fighter]

"The dichotomy of casual and hardcore gaming is a useful one, up to a point. But to use it as a justification for its own worst aspects, such as unnecessary and inhibiting gender disparities, is to ignore the creative potential of its own destruction. Games are stories and the best stories are blind to gender."

 

You're on to something there Polygon.

[Blarghagh]

I didn't see the date. Still, same applies. I especially enjoy the part where the writer goes "I'll not name the developer" and then links about a thousand things that name the developer.

[Fighter]

Polygon:

 

"Sommers is also fond of insults. She tweeted that I am a "mansplainer" and invited me to address what she describes as her "ideas." Others added that because I question the views of one woman, I must be a misogynist. One person compared me to Napoleon (the pig, not the emperor.) I am not the first person to face the wrath of video game sexism-deniers, and compared to the vitriol some have faced, my experience was very mild."

 

Oh my god this is hilarious. The insult. The irony. Soaring right over his head.

[licketysplit]

I click on bait so you guys don't have to! I can report that Polygon is being ripped to shreds in the comment section, lol. What a bunch of hacks. They linked a retard rebuttal to Sommers, and it's being ridiculed as well. 

[Fighter]

And in another hilarious twist of irony Colin Campbell the author of the Polygon article wrote a book.

 

 

Editorial integrity... blurry ethical lines... delusions... I had plenty of material to work with... <-- I'm sure you did Colin.

[Volourn]

What's funny is that story concept could be intriguing ... in the hands of a good writer.