Gfted1 Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Do the Scots really want independence, or can no one else understand what the hell they're talking about through those accents? Iirc, Raithe explained to me that their want for independence is "coincidentally" tied to their discovery of natural gas fields off their coasts. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Monte Carlo Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 The pound will take a battering for a little while. Then it will recover. Then Scotland will discover, the hard way, that you can't increase public spending while cutting taxes. The hard way.
BruceVC Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 Oh, this will surely pound the quid for quite some time... *Grabs coat and leaves the establishment.* "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
BruceVC Posted September 9, 2014 Author Posted September 9, 2014 The pound will take a battering for a little while. Then it will recover. Then Scotland will discover, the hard way, that you can't increase public spending while cutting taxes. The hard way. I don't understand why Scotland would really to separate from such a prestigious and successful union as the UK especially with all the new concessions they are getting. I have heard most of the arguments from the SNP and Alex Salmond but they wouldn't convince me if I was Scottish I think this type of independence is overrated "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Kroney Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) They'd never do it. The Mars factory is in Slough, they'd starve to death. Edited September 9, 2014 by Kroney 1 Dirty deeds done cheap.
Wrath of Dagon Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 It would benefit the UK to be rid of that leftist appendage. Also statistically it's been shown that smaller countries tend to do better. Obama said that it's up to the people of Scotland to decide if they should be independent. So I thought that implied it's up to the people of Texas to decide whether they should be independent, but I see that UK did agree to the referendum. Do you think the majority of people in Texas would vote for independence if there was a referendum? Not really, all the Democrats would be against, so that's 40% already. And most of the rest probably have too much of an emotional attachment to the US. 20% quoted before sounds about right, though I've never heard of a poll. As far as immigration, the previous waves of immigrants had to work. Now all they have to do is get on welfare. The main damage is political though. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Namutree Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Not really, all the Democrats would be against, so that's 40% already. And most of the rest probably have too much of an emotional attachment to the US. 20% quoted before sounds about right, though I've never heard of a poll. As far as immigration, the previous waves of immigrants had to work. Now all they have to do is get on welfare. The main damage is political though. 20% is not accurate. 2% would be far more on the mark. It's just that those who favor secession are very vocal. Not that leaving the union would ever be an option. Even if it were 100% the US would never allow it. We had a war over this issue once, and the union won. Now Washington has the strongest military in human history; not to mention the capacity to kill everyone anywhere. The situation is totally hopeless for people whom want to secede from the US. Assuming a successful border fence is constructed is the only way the situation could possibly be any more hopeless for them. Edit: Spelling errors. Edited September 10, 2014 by Namutree "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
Namutree Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) The USA is literally a nation of immigrants. It would be suicide for the US to actively dissuade immigration. SO TRUE!!! EDIT: Sorry about the double post. Multi-posting is a bad habit of mine. Edited September 10, 2014 by Namutree "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
Monte Carlo Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 Dear Americans, the thread isn't about America. Thx.
Namutree Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Dear Americans, the thread isn't about America. Thx. I'm sorry. EDIT: Just to make this post relevant to the thread. Scottish independence doesn't seem likely to me, but I'm no expert on the UK. Edited September 10, 2014 by Namutree "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
HoonDing Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 Sophie Marceau was pretty hot in Braveheart. Maybe I'll rewatch this weekend. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Humanoid Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 The pound will take a battering for a little while. Then it will recover. Then Scotland will discover, the hard way, that you can't increase public spending while cutting taxes. The hard way. I didn't care about this whole independence issue before, but knowing this, I'm now 100% for Scottish independence. Excuse me while I go browse Amazon UK for all the stuff. L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
Meshugger Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 I am a bit confused about this independence-hoopla, because what would be fundamentally different if they voted yes? The pound stays, the Queen is still a regent and so on. Atleast i would understand if we were talking about Canada or Australia, where the geography plays its part, but we're talking about a country that you can accidently end up in if you oversleep on the northbound train. ...and i have even visited the scottish highlands once. You have have your own parliament, holidays, newschannel and so on. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
BruceVC Posted September 10, 2014 Author Posted September 10, 2014 I am a bit confused about this independence-hoopla, because what would be fundamentally different if they voted yes? The pound stays, the Queen is still a regent and so on. Atleast i would understand if we were talking about Canada or Australia, where the geography plays its part, but we're talking about a country that you can accidently end up in if you oversleep on the northbound train. ...and i have even visited the scottish highlands once. You have have your own parliament, holidays, newschannel and so on. The massive difference would be where the money generated from Scottish taxes are spent I imagine? Now this revenue will only benefit Scotland but I am also not sure exactly what independence means "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Kroney Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) It's funny how the British in the thread are the ones who clearly care the least. Basically The Scottish are heavily working class. This tends to produce a lefter, more socialist attitude. They have consistently voted for the Labour party since the last referendum on a similar issue since '79. The UK as a whole has returned a heavily Conservative bias, interspersed with a Labour party that's swung so far to the right of its traditional position that it really has no business having the same name anymore, which more closely matches the politics of the wealthier South East. The South East could practically be a country in its own right, driven by the wildly disproportionate economic power of London. Elements in Scotland feel they're being stuck with Tory governments despite consistently voting Labour. Secondly, to see the UK as one country is massively misunderstanding the situation. As the post-imperial era marches on, the four countries within each find they have less and less reason to stick together. Devolution has been slowly gathering pace to match the increasing feeling of nationalism since the Thatcher era. Each country now has its own parliament/legislative assembly, with varying degrees of power. Currently the only real glue holding the UK together is money. England generates by far the most due to its far larger population and, again, London. Those taxes subsidise the smaller economies in the other countries, at least theoretically. The SNP clearly feels it can do better than Westminster in providing for Scotland's people. Thirdly, there's Alex Salmond. He's a glory-hunting toad-faced moron with no idea how he's going to fund anything post-independence and is playing on a largely implanted-by-Victorians Scottish racial memory of Scottishness. How much traction he's gaining is up for debate, but the current crop of public school charm vacuums heading up to Scotland to demonstrate just how massively out of touch they are with the average voter, particularly the average Scottish voter, probably won't do him any harm at all. Edited September 10, 2014 by Kroney 2 Dirty deeds done cheap.
Kroney Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) They can just join the Eurozone like Ireland and the Brits can go to hell. Don't use "Brits" when you mean "English". I'm not up to date, if they separate, would Scotland remain a commonwealth realm? Keeping the queen as head of state and such? Yes as far as I know it could be still be part of the Commonwealth if it wanted to, but I'm not sure about points like what currency would Scotland use and would they be part of the EU? They would still be part of the Commonwealth, yes. Salmond wants to continue using a Bank of England backed pound sterling. Literally everybody with anything to do with the Treasury or the BoE has said this wouldn't happen. Salmond has repeated they'd use it and refused to entertain a second option. So nobody knows what Scotland would use. They would probably be eventually admitted to the EU, but senior EU people have been quoted as saying that effectively Scotland would be a new country and would therefore have to reapply to join. There's something of a waiting list. Incidentally, the Yes campaign is only ahead in one opinion poll and even pollsters openly say that their polls can't really be taken as gospel. Edited September 10, 2014 by Kroney Dirty deeds done cheap.
Monte Carlo Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 I love Salmond's take on the pound. Bank of England: You can't use the pound. Salmond: Yes I can. BoE: No you can't. Salmond: Yes I can. (etc) Salmond's plans were written on the back of an envelope. I can't wait to see it blow up in his face if the Scots vote 'Yes.' As for Bester, why the hate? 1
Kroney Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 He's a useless, fat-faced fantasist. Salmond, I mean. Not Bester. I've no idea what Bester looks like, but to be that chippy I suspect it might involve a tricorn hat, a blue coat and about 250 years of temporal dislocation. 1 Dirty deeds done cheap.
Monte Carlo Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) ^ Either that or he's a Serb. They're still butt-hurt that we stopped their genocidal tendencies via J-DAM in the early 2000s. Edited September 10, 2014 by Monte Carlo
Kroney Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 I don't know, you spend the better part of a thousand years getting drunk and invading just about everybody and they get all bloo-bloo about it. Salmond's going to be well embarrassed in a couple of years when it turns out Walter Scott made up Scotland and they end up still being fat drunkards dying of heart attacks at thirty. Dirty deeds done cheap.
Monte Carlo Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 I always love telling Scotsmen that (a) tartan was invented by an Englishman with a sense of humour (b) so were kilts and (c ) bagpipes are Indian.
IndiraLightfoot Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 D) Haggis is of ancient roman origin, and it's first mentioned in a text from North-West England. *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
Kroney Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) The funniest thing about all of this for me was that the last time Scotland was a sovereign country, they tried to copy England's successful colonialism, founded ONE colony, immediately went bankrupt and went south cap in hand begging to be rescued. The result? The Union of 1707. Edited September 10, 2014 by Kroney Dirty deeds done cheap.
Sarex Posted September 10, 2014 Posted September 10, 2014 ^ Either that or he's a Serb. They're still butt-hurt that we stopped their genocidal tendencies via J-DAM in the early 2000s. Too bad you didn't stop the Croatian genocidal tendencies, but hey I guess you need to pick a side in every conflict. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
BruceVC Posted September 10, 2014 Author Posted September 10, 2014 @ Monte and Kroney Don't get too upset yet because the No vote may still win. Lets be positive "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
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