Tale Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I recommend going back to Witch Hunt and the other later DLCs for DAO. They have numerous references... to DAI, not DA2. I CBA to put the sources together, but basically DA2 was supposed to be a smaller game, more like a standalone expansion, to prevent the Mass Effect and Dragon Age teams from having identical dev cycles. Then somebody* had the idea of labeling it "2" and driving the dev team to make it a full-price game... resulting in what I view as the sole critical failure of the game, the artificial stretch from reusing the same areas over and over. So, in a lot of ways, this is the DAO sequel that was originally supposed to be, with DA2 a slight excursion in the middle. *Most will say that this was evil overlord EA, I will assume it was the docs. I recall Gaider coming out and saying that the 11 month timetable was entirely a Bioware decision. I'm inclined to believe him. To further your theory, some concept art of Hawke that's reminiscent of Inquisitor garb exists. The inquisition plot is apparently quite old. And with DA2's ending, I can't help but think it was partially designed as a prologue for what they planned for DAI. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Monte Carlo Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Using awful industry jargon I've picked up from Relic, I wonder if Bio / EA sees this as a 'Games as a Service' platform? It looks like it to me. Oh and the PS4 version will be purdier, driving another stake into the hearts of the Xbone untermensch. I really didn't want to buy this but am big enough to accept that I might... 2
Tale Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I'm going to redbox it first unless I get heavy positives from some of the more critical voices. General positivity won't work because we had that before from first impressions, even my own. 1 "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Monte Carlo Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Agreed, Tale. There's a bunch of stuff here I hate... dIALoG WEeL, emo wannabe GoT NPCs and some of the visuals (look at those NPC ports) but man I utterly love that whole war table thing and mission structure. The top-down combat looks neat. It's a real fifty-fifty. We'll see what people say, there's enough people here who I trust to help me decide one way or the other. Edit - plus it has combat XP. OMG DEGENERATE GAMEPLAYE ALERTE!!! Edited October 14, 2014 by Monte Carlo 2
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Damn, this actually looks good. Wish I could have a gish with a sword though. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
IndiraLightfoot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Some of us "buy first, think later"-guys will happily test it for all of you who are on the fence about it. 5 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
Sarex Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 All the gameplay design that is in the background of the game makes me wanna play it and all the gameplay design that is in the forefront makes me not wanna play it... 3 "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
IndiraLightfoot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) All the gameplay design that is in the background of the game makes me wanna play it and all the gameplay design that is in the forefront makes me not wanna play it... That was me like a month ago. However, the more I got to peek under the hood, the more fun it seemed to be, so I gambled and pre-ordered it on those flimsy impressions. However, the more I see of DA:I in the release vids, the more depth the game seems to have in both story, structure and mechanics, aside from the obvious: It looks like a huge dollop of ARPG joy! Edited October 14, 2014 by IndiraLightfoot 1 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
Volourn Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 "I recall Gaider coming out and saying that the 11 month timetable was entirely a Bioware decision. I'm inclined to believe him." A BIO decision is an EA decision. EA *is* BIO. BIo is NOT a seperate identity. The docs - when they were still there - were on the EA board. EA is 100% in control; Everyd ecision - good or bad - is an EA decision. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Monte Carlo Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 ^ I suggest Volourn speaketh the truth on this one.
IndiraLightfoot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I suspect that as well. It was one big EA easy money grab. *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
Tale Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 "I recall Gaider coming out and saying that the 11 month timetable was entirely a Bioware decision. I'm inclined to believe him." A BIO decision is an EA decision. EA *is* BIO. BIo is NOT a seperate identity. The docs - when they were still there - were on the EA board. EA is 100% in control; Everyd ecision - good or bad - is an EA decision. Since I'm curious as to the point of your comment, I'll ask: Are you saying that Gaider was lying? "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Monte Carlo Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Vol might say that but I wouldn't. Why would Dave G lie? I just think he sees a distinction around Bio / EA that the rest of us don't.
IndiraLightfoot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Tale: Perhaps he exercised his right to withhold some carefully selected part of the truth? *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
HoonDing Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Game looks great, Cassandra looks even more beautiful now. Maybe I'll romqnce her with a Dwarf. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Nepenthe Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Some of you guys spend so much time sitting on fences one would think you enjoy having a post up your ass 3 You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
Sarex Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Nep, do you per chance work for Bioware (at EA)? "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
Nepenthe Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Nep, do you per chance work for Bioware (at EA)?Oh dear, the shill theory comes again. I am and will remain for the foreseeable future an attorney specializing in complex liability issues. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
Sarex Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Ah, ok. Then I don't understand how you can defend Bioware after DA2 and their marketing spiel on it. Any doubt people have for DA:I is more then warranted. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Some of you guys spend so much time sitting on fences one would think you enjoy having a post up your ass I always assumed most of you people were into some weird stuff. Me, I'm just a cheap bastard who wants to spend more money on booze. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Tale Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I like to think I'm not so much sitting on the fence as fully on the other side, glancing over, thinking it would look rather nice if you didn't own four dogs. And I haven't heard them wake me up barking at night in a few days, so I'm still not sure if they're crapping in the yard. 4 "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
Volourn Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 "Are you saying that Gaider was lying?" I'm saying he's pretending it's still 1998 and BIO was an independent studio owned by the docs. \ That scenario simply doesn't exist. "Ah, ok. Then I don't understand how you can defend Bioware after DA2 and their marketing spiel on it." DA2 > BG1 + KOTOR + KOTOR2 + PE + DOS + ALL YOUR OTHER OVERRATED GAMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY CRAP. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
BruceVC Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Some of you guys spend so much time sitting on fences one would think you enjoy having a post up your ass For me the irony and humour around all this venting directed towards Bioware games is its always the same ritual. People complain bitterly about how EA has destroyed the once great company of Bioware People complain bitterly how there games just aren't as good as they use to be and how the Bioware model of RPG is gone forever People really attack how terrible there games are even to the point of making videos to show us how " they spent dozens of hours of playing game x" and really are informed about its faults Bioware releases next ME and DA game and everyone plays it The cycle of criticism starts all over again Edited October 15, 2014 by BruceVC 4 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Nepenthe Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) You forgot the personal attacks on people who like the games, such as yourself. Ah, ok. Then I don't understand how you can defend Bioware after DA2 and their marketing spiel on it. Any doubt people have for DA:I is more then warranted.*shrug*, I found a lot to like in da2 in spite of its flaws, which obviously impacts my attitude. That was also me not defending Bioware, that was me giving my semi-informed opinion on da2s development issues while pointing out the connections between dao and dai. I'd get disbarred if I defended somebody like that Edit: I actually only realized that the post thing was supposed to be a defence of bioware? More like an opportunity to use it regardless of the connection, but then again I think a lot of people spend way too much time thinking about the actual act of buying a game Edited October 15, 2014 by Nepenthe You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
Monte Carlo Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Nep the buying of the game isn't the issue, the impact is do I invest a hundred hours plus of my life in it? 1
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