Unixon2567 Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Why is it that spell components are never included in dnd video games when it is a natural way of restricting spellcasters, especially when the video game does not use the vatican spell system?
aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 Why is it that spell components are never included in dnd video games when it is a natural way of restricting spellcasters, especially when the video game does not use the vatican spell system? They're more work than they are worth, easier just to balance around the fact that magic is now more easily available. Btw, it's "vancian" spellcasting 2 "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
Unixon2567 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Posted December 13, 2013 Sorry about that I always mix up vancian with vatican.
Gorth Posted December 13, 2013 Posted December 13, 2013 Why is it that spell components are never included in dnd video games when it is a natural way of restricting spellcasters, especially when the video game does not use the vatican spell system? They're more work than they are worth, easier just to balance around the fact that magic is now more easily available. Btw, it's "vancian" spellcasting Yeah, Vatican spell casting is for the clerics 3 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
redneckdevil Posted December 13, 2013 Posted December 13, 2013 It would be nice for the game to just tick off a few coins for the materials each time u cast a spell. Or they could at least just say u have the eschew materials feat
Nonek Posted December 13, 2013 Posted December 13, 2013 It would be nice for the game to just tick off a few coins for the materials each time u cast a spell. Or they could at least just say u have the eschew materials feat Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Temple of Elemental Evil do just this. Also you might wish to investigate the Ultima series, their use of reagents was quite well implemented, though a lot of work. Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot!
nikolokolus Posted December 13, 2013 Posted December 13, 2013 It would be nice for the game to just tick off a few coins for the materials each time u cast a spell. Or they could at least just say u have the eschew materials feat Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Temple of Elemental Evil do just this. Also you might wish to investigate the Ultima series, their use of reagents was quite well implemented, though a lot of work. Yup. ToEE does it for certain spells with a cost component, and item creation costs experience and gold as well. It works well too.
rjshae Posted December 16, 2013 Posted December 16, 2013 There's a lot of details that party-based CRPGs often leave out: food, water, guard schedules for camp, bed rolls, travel supplies, shaving kits, &c. Some things are just better off being abstracted for game purposes. If you want to simulate material components, then only allow spells to be cast off scrolls and make it easy to make more... at a spell component shop. 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
Walsingham Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 If you insist on having components, then just admin it yourself. *mutter mutter* Bloody CRPG lazy bastards. In my day... "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
aluminiumtrioxid Posted December 17, 2013 Posted December 17, 2013 It would be nice for the game to just tick off a few coins for the materials each time u cast a spell. Or they could at least just say u have the eschew materials feat Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Temple of Elemental Evil do just this. Yeah, it was pretty horrible. No point in memorizing Identify, ever, if you lose the same amount of coin you'd pay for an NPC to do it for you. "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
khalil Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Yes, but memorizing it is quicker than paying someone. Also, components don't add to the game. Expensive components do, but most components are .1cp bat dung or whatever, and no-one wants to keep track of all that rubbish.
Darque Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Some would... Overall, spell components in video games wouldn't really translate well.......
ShadySands Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I think DDO does the spell component thing. Seems like it would be more a of hassle than an entertaining resource management system Free games updated 3/4/21
Darque Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I could see it working for a game that has a grind element (read: MMOs) - single player games.... it would just bog down the fun.
khalil Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I think DDO does the spell component thing. Seems like it would be more a of hassle than an entertaining resource management systemIt's not so bad, but it's still pointless. Basically what happens is whenever you gain a new spell level, you go buy an absurdly large amount of whatever components are needed for spells of that level. Components are 1cp each, so it's not that much of an obstacle. I hear that the more expensive spells require diamonds and things in addition to the ordinary components, but I'm not at that level yet, so I'm not sure how that works out.
Rosenkrantz Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) Well, making components for some spells rare (like, say you need a Dragon's egg to cast Resurrection) could be a way of limiting the use of very powerful spells. At the same time you could making a meaningful quest out of getting that Dragon's egg to revive this or that lord or your fallen comrade. IIRC True Seeing required you to smear a smelly mushroom paste on your eyes, costing 500 gp a pop. Do you really want think you'll get away with smearing nasty paste on your eyes at the Duke's party, trying to spot the guest hiding behind an illusion? Edited March 19, 2014 by Rosenkrantz
Walsingham Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 Do you really want think you'll get away with smearing nasty paste on your eyes at the Duke's party, trying to spot the guest hiding behind an illusion? You and I obviously know different dukes. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Volourn Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 Spell components would be an awesome addition to RPG/DnD video games. But, game developers are cowards. This idea that the 'masses' would hate it and not buy your game is silly talk. Just use common sense. Many of the M&M series had the use of gems and that worked fine. TOEE did it fine. The above examples are ways to entwine material components into the story, quests, gameplay, and FUN of the game. Very few people truly want you to be forced to have '10 uses of dung' to cast a DnD version of fireball. People aren't even that anal in pnp for components. L0L DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Gromnir Posted April 7, 2014 Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) It would be nice for the game to just tick off a few coins for the materials each time u cast a spell. Or they could at least just say u have the eschew materials feat Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Temple of Elemental Evil do just this. Also you might wish to investigate the Ultima series, their use of reagents was quite well implemented, though a lot of work. Yup. ToEE does it for certain spells with a cost component, and item creation costs experience and gold as well. It works well too. it worked poorly in toee. item creation cost is hardly unique to toee, as that is actual kinda the norm in crpgs, but in toee, the spell casting cost were implemented in an extreme limited and irrational manner. some spells had d&d rule book costs, others did not have any costs and sometimes it were perplexing to try and figure they why behind the distinction. example: from a practical perspective, identify spell became useless as the 100 gold component cost to cast were the same cost for vendors to identify. no alchemy skill, so potions needed be identity by the silly spell or vendor. craft magic wands ability most lucrative use became crafting wands of identify 'cause identify were borked. and hey, if you really wanted to know that scather were scather, you could save, cast and reload. toee did d&d combat well, but we sure wouldn't use spell component costs as one of its strong points. HA! Good Fun! Edited April 7, 2014 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
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