obyknven Posted March 15, 2014 Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 New uniform of Russian army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Pretty amazing - in a bad way- what a ''little'' 250lbs IED does to a MRAP. I thought those were MUCH more bomb resistant. All 7 passengers survived, though with severe injuries. Which is a miracle if you look at that pic, there is very little left of that 20 tons truck. Edited April 7, 2014 by Woldan I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 looks strangely similar to a Humvee Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 This is a MRAP: Weird that an explosion would somehow completely remove the cabin section while leaving the passengers lying less than a yard from the chassis. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorophx Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 here's a nice video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2lxgplJVo8 Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 This is a MRAP: Weird that an explosion would somehow completely remove the cabin section while leaving the passengers lying less than a yard from the chassis. The vehicle, or rather, the remains thereof, posted by Woldan looks closer to this: It's an armored ("Frag 5 armor") HMMWV—not quite as "mine resistant" as the actual MaxxPro MRAP you posted. Impossible to know for sure what it was before the blast, though. In the picture there seem to be fragments flying around, too, which is weird considering how beaten up it is already. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Pretty amazing - in a bad way- what a ''little'' 250lbs IED does to a MRAP. I thought those were MUCH more bomb resistant. All 7 passengers survived, though with severe injuries. Which is a miracle if you look at that pic, there is very little left of that 20 tons truck. http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/-images/2008/05/01/15170/ Edited April 7, 2014 by Sarex 2 "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) A little treat for sorophx. Some familiar sights and sounds (B****ing Betty) for him to be sure: Edited April 9, 2014 by Agiel 1 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 Supported by West Jihadist's capture some amount of modern Russian antitank weapon in Syria. Result we can see in Iraq. Obviously these pics are fake, Abrams can't be destroyed so easy by single shot, US stronk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Given that it impacted the side armour then even I wouldn't be enormously surprised: As we can see, against most of the side profile fairly modern warheads (AT-5B Spandrel has been estimated to have ~780mm RHAe penetration at 0 degrees LOS) can theoretically penetrate and have enough overmatch to ruin the crew's day... However, this only highlights how much more vulnerable designs like the T-72 and the T-80 are in this environment as the Syrian Rebellion and the Chechen Wars show. Both the Abrams and the Challenger 2 boast safety features that cannot be implemented in many Soviet designs: Automatic fire-suppression, ammunition separated from the crew compartment, blastproof doors and blowout panels for the Abrams, water storage for the Chally, and semi-ready rounds stored separately from the tank on the rear turret bustle. As Soviet and Russian-designed tanks were quite small, these systems were simply impossible to implement, as every inch of the interior had to be dedicated to some kind of machinery or storage. As a result, ammunition and propellant was exposed to the crew compartment (not helped by the fact that Soviet doctrine called for more high-explosive anti-personnel rounds be stored in proportion to *relatively* more inert APFSDS, which the tanks in Syria likely do not carry at all). Thus, even while there was the odd incident where an Abrams or Challenger was considered a "mission kill," the crew likely got off with little to no injuries and was back in action not too long after, with the tank being recovered and repaired in fairly short order. Experience in the Middle East wars showed that the large majority of AFV losses were the result of minor damage that could be easily repaired, however those that experienced internal fire damage or catastrophic explosions were more likely to be completely written off and deemed incapable of being returned to combat service, and this was something the Israelis singled out the Soviet-designed T-62s and T-72s for. What's more, with the proliferation of tandem-charge anti-tank warheads, the dependency of Russian tank designs on ERA prove to be a liability for the Syrians. In relation to Steel Beast's estimate for the M1A1(HA) and the Challenger 2's side armour estimates above, Lakowski's estimates for T-72B with Kontakt-1 ERA (roughly equivalent to what the Syrians are using now) protection. Side Hull: 210–260mm HEAT Side Turret: 260mm KE & 340mm HEAT, 210mm HEAT if a tandem-charge warhead is used. Ammunition storage for the T-72/T-90: Plenty of GoPro videos exist showing the fate of many Syrian tanks as a result of ammunition fires and catastrpohic explosions, but I'll refrain from linking to them. *EDIT*: A tanker contact of mine has relayed to me that this was an Abrams inherited by the Iraqi army that has the dU armour inserts removed Edited April 13, 2014 by Agiel 1 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted April 13, 2014 Author Share Posted April 13, 2014 Good example how armed people can fight for own freedom. If people really do want this nobody can't stop them, even army. Heritage of Crimean selfdefence. http://youtu.be/DxfMbi0aCvM Professionals is not same thing as army/police member. Common people can be more skilled warriors. US militia in Nevada prove it. It's lie! US stronk! *EDIT*: A tanker contact of mine has relayed to me that this was an Abrams inherited by the Iraqi army that has the dU armour inserts removed Do you think Abrams M1A1 SA don't have dU armour?I Bitch please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) A loss for words when confronted with cited evidence that it's no more vulnerable than the T-72S, huh? Show of hands people, would you take the Abrams, or the "Communal Funeral Urn"? Because I can offer a host of other aspects of the T-72 that makes it a flawed design for COIN operations (limited gun depression/elevation, shortage of passive thermal imaging sites, poor reverse speed). Edited April 16, 2014 by Agiel 1 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 A loss for words when confronted with cited evidence that it's no more vulnerable than the T-72S, huh? Show of hands people, would you take the Abrams, or the "Communal Funeral Urn"? Because I can offer a host of other aspects of the T-72 that makes it a flawed design for COIN operations (limited gun depression/elevation, shortage of passive thermal imaging sites, poor reverse speed). This is needed for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Got us confused given you've offered weak to no evidence to the contrary that the Abrams is anything but a very, very good tank, especially when compared to the modern-day Ronson that is the T-72. Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 May I remind the forum that it wasn't so long ago that oby was telling us he was a girl? Having misunderstood the nature of his own armament for some time I'm a bit dubious about his understanding of anyone else's. 2 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Main difference between US Marines (video month before of succesful attack of Taliban against their base, when these pussies completely lose) http://youtu.be/R2ySHSTEzjQ and Russian VDV (its advertising, but this represent ideals of Russian soldiers, how they must be, no pussies exactly). http://youtu.be/1idTSSc_7Ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Come now, show USMC ad as well, though they're not really emphasizing how badass they are, of late most seem to be on the prestige of being part of an old service or what the Corps can do for you as a person. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknoman2 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 here's how to win a war fast. you build stealth balistic missiles with nuclear warheads and shoot them without warning in a way to cover the entire enemy country with explosions. you need not shoot a second time or fear retaliation, since there will be no one left to fight back The words freedom and liberty, are diminishing the true meaning of the abstract concept they try to explain. The true nature of freedom is such, that the human mind is unable to comprehend it, so we make a cage and name it freedom in order to give a tangible meaning to what we dont understand, just as our ancestors made gods like Thor or Zeus to explain thunder. -Teknoman2- What? You thought it was a quote from some well known wise guy from the past? Stupidity leads to willful ignorance - willful ignorance leads to hope - hope leads to sex - and that is how a new generation of fools is born! We are hardcore role players... When we go to bed with a girl, we roll a D20 to see if we hit the target and a D6 to see how much penetration damage we did. Modern democracy is: the sheep voting for which dog will be the shepherd's right hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_%28nuclear_war%29 1 "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 here's how to win a war fast. you build stealth balistic missiles with nuclear warheads and shoot them without warning in a way to cover the entire enemy country with explosions. you need not shoot a second time or fear retaliation, since there will be no one left to fight back What kind of nation would deserve to win such a war? "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Also, that scenario is specifically defeated with SSBN's. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknoman2 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 here's how to win a war fast. you build stealth balistic missiles with nuclear warheads and shoot them without warning in a way to cover the entire enemy country with explosions. you need not shoot a second time or fear retaliation, since there will be no one left to fight back What kind of nation would deserve to win such a war? after a war, the important thing is to be alive while the enemy is not. the rest is trivial idealism The words freedom and liberty, are diminishing the true meaning of the abstract concept they try to explain. The true nature of freedom is such, that the human mind is unable to comprehend it, so we make a cage and name it freedom in order to give a tangible meaning to what we dont understand, just as our ancestors made gods like Thor or Zeus to explain thunder. -Teknoman2- What? You thought it was a quote from some well known wise guy from the past? Stupidity leads to willful ignorance - willful ignorance leads to hope - hope leads to sex - and that is how a new generation of fools is born! We are hardcore role players... When we go to bed with a girl, we roll a D20 to see if we hit the target and a D6 to see how much penetration damage we did. Modern democracy is: the sheep voting for which dog will be the shepherd's right hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 here's how to win a war fast. you build stealth balistic missiles with nuclear warheads and shoot them without warning in a way to cover the entire enemy country with explosions. you need not shoot a second time or fear retaliation, since there will be no one left to fight back What kind of nation would deserve to win such a war? after a war, the important thing is to be alive while the enemy is not. the rest is trivial idealism See my sig. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted May 17, 2014 Author Share Posted May 17, 2014 Camouflage at night. http://youtu.be/-xlUdm5OWu8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woldan Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 That reminds me of an old saying: All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. So much for ''winning wars''. I gazed at the dead, and for one dark moment I saw a banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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