Karranthain Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 If you want to create a wizard who wears plate armor and hacks away with a broadsword from behind a heavily-enhanced arcane veil, we want to let you do that. If your idea of the perfect fighter is one who wears light armor and uses a variety of dazzling rapier attacks in rapid succession, we want to help you make that character. source : http://www.kickstart...ty/posts/321413 That gives me an idea : Firing a musket and then charging into the fray, broadsword raised, sounds like my idea of fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 Would that be close to what you had in mind? Pretty much exactly at that. Well maybe the adventurer could be a little more adventurish, but that'd definitely work and it'd be a wide variety anyway. Found something interesting. I must say I really like this one - it's not exactly historical, but it's definitely influenced by real designs; only used in a unique combination. Best of all, it looks both believable and practical. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 If armor types like hide (or scale, or mail) should remain viable on their own, how should that "upgrade" be expressed to the player? Functional descriptors like "fine scale", "superior hide", etc.? Cultural or material descriptors like "Vailian doublet", "iron feather scale"? Olde tyme numerical descriptors like "scale armor +1", "half-plate +2"? source : http://www.kickstart...-eternity/posts Which one would you prefer? I'd definitely be in favour of Cultural or material descriptors. I'd love it if plate armour, for an instance, would look different between cultures. E.g. Dyrwood Plate Vailian Plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintlockJazz Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I honestly don't think things like hide should stay relevant: there is a reason that more advanced cultures don't use older armours anymore, your barbarian will just have to adapt or hope that they can decorate the armour to make it look more 'savage' or something, or at least thats my hope. "That rabbit's dynamite!" - King Arthur, Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail "Space is big, really big." - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juneau Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just please no chain mail bikinis.... They serve NO PURPOSE. Juneau & Alphecca Daley currently tearing up Tyria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Just please no chain mail bikinis.... They serve NO PURPOSE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wench Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Sure they serve a purpose, its just not an in character purpose. They make good screenshots for marketting to use. Edited November 1, 2012 by Wench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 I honestly don't think things like hide should stay relevant: there is a reason that more advanced cultures don't use older armours anymore, your barbarian will just have to adapt or hope that they can decorate the armour to make it look more 'savage' or something, or at least thats my hope. I agree. My answer to the question quoted below is that it'd make perfect sense if said barbarian/ranger was forced to forgo using obsolete armour if circumstance demanded it. That'd make the world more believable. Should something like hide armor be supplanted/made obsolete by leather as an "improved version" or does that effectively kill the visual concept of the rough-hewn rawhide-wearing ranger or barbarian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivex5k Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I think gameplay should come before realism, and I'd love to see all armor types viable for one reason or another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintlockJazz Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I honestly don't think things like hide should stay relevant: there is a reason that more advanced cultures don't use older armours anymore, your barbarian will just have to adapt or hope that they can decorate the armour to make it look more 'savage' or something, or at least thats my hope. I agree. My answer to the question quoted below is that it'd make perfect sense if said barbarian/ranger was forced to forgo using obsolete armour if circumstance demanded it. That'd make the world more believable. Should something like hide armor be supplanted/made obsolete by leather as an "improved version" or does that effectively kill the visual concept of the rough-hewn rawhide-wearing ranger or barbarian? Exactly and it shows a sense of progression culturally as well as level wise: Thug the Barbarian, after adventuring in the Civilised lands has adapted and learnt the techniques used there rather than remaining static and unchanging. If my western character travelled to the east I would expect him to adapt to the culture there, much like how the crusaders changed their style f dress while in the Holy Land. 1 "That rabbit's dynamite!" - King Arthur, Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail "Space is big, really big." - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorizer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) I honestly don't think things like hide should stay relevant: there is a reason that more advanced cultures don't use older armours anymore, your barbarian will just have to adapt or hope that they can decorate the armour to make it look more 'savage' or something, or at least thats my hope. I agree. My answer to the question quoted below is that it'd make perfect sense if said barbarian/ranger was forced to forgo using obsolete armour if circumstance demanded it. That'd make the world more believable. Should something like hide armor be supplanted/made obsolete by leather as an "improved version" or does that effectively kill the visual concept of the rough-hewn rawhide-wearing ranger or barbarian? Exactly and it shows a sense of progression culturally as well as level wise: Thug the Barbarian, after adventuring in the Civilised lands has adapted and learnt the techniques used there rather than remaining static and unchanging. If my western character travelled to the east I would expect him to adapt to the culture there, much like how the crusaders changed their style f dress while in the Holy Land. Its a fantasy world with different creatures, there might be hides that are much tougher than anything on earth... Edited November 1, 2012 by motorizer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 I think gameplay should come before realism, and I'd love to see all armor types viable for one reason or another. I'd say it's more about verisimilitude than realism. Moreover, static gameplay isn't really particularly interesting, is it? Exactly and it shows a sense of progression culturally as well as level wise: Thug the Barbarian, after adventuring in the Civilised lands has adapted and learnt the techniques used there rather than remaining static and unchanging. If my western character travelled to the east I would expect him to adapt to the culture there, much like how the crusaders changed their style f dress while in the Holy Land. That's a good example. Its a fantasy world with different creatures, there might be hides that are much tougher than anything on earth... All the same, that hide would eventually rot, unless tanned. Riveting some metal plates into leather made from it would also be a good idea, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Should something like hide armor be supplanted/made obsolete by leather as an "improved version" or does that effectively kill the visual concept of the rough-hewn rawhide-wearing ranger or barbarian? No, not really. Visual prefferences should not trump reason and functionality. That said, if someoen waants to run around in a loncloith, he's allowed to do so. But I don't want to see him be just as effective as a guy in full-plate. Doing so is an auto-fail in my book. 1 * YOU ARE A WRONGULARITY FROM WHICH NO RIGHT CAN ESCAPE! *Chuck Norris was wrong once - He thought HE made a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotesque Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I would to see in the game armours that are designed for particular races. A human could not wear armour made for orcs or dwarves because the body shape is completely different. Finding a banded mail for your orc only would be more rewarding After my realization that White March has the same XP reward problem, I don't even have the drive to launch game anymore because I hated so much reaching Twin Elms with a level cap in vanilla PoE that I don't wish to relive that experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamerlane Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 But but but but that's something Mass Effect did and Bioware Mass Effect casual sex scene Gaider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hormalakh Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 All the same, that hide would eventually rot, unless tanned. Riveting some metal plates into leather made from it would also be a good idea, etc. What if by tanning it, it loses some of its special properties? And adding rivets to it changes it structurally and is no longer as strong as it would otherwise be? Then it makes sense for that hide to stay a hide and to wear it until it rots. Then I'll think of another armor to wear. My blog is where I'm keeping a record of all of my suggestions and bug mentions. http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/ UPDATED 9/26/2014 My DXdiag: http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/2014/08/beta-begins-v257.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hormalakh Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I would to see in the game armours that are designed for particular races. A human could not wear armour made for orcs or dwarves because the body shape is completely different. Finding a banded mail for your orc only would be more rewarding They did this in Arcanum: small, normal, large. I hated it mainly because I couldn't ever find the right armor drop with the right size even at Blacksmiths. It was interesting though. My blog is where I'm keeping a record of all of my suggestions and bug mentions. http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/ UPDATED 9/26/2014 My DXdiag: http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/2014/08/beta-begins-v257.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'd say it's more about verisimilitude than realism. Sometimes I ask myself... WHAT WOULD A LARPer DO??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamerlane Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I would to see in the game armours that are designed for particular races. A human could not wear armour made for orcs or dwarves because the body shape is completely different. Finding a banded mail for your orc only would be more rewarding They did this in Arcanum: small, normal, large. I hated it mainly because I couldn't ever find the right armor drop with the right size even at Blacksmiths. It was interesting though. Wrex spent a ****load of time wearing bright pink because that was the only krogan armour I could ever find... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 As long as we avoid this: * YOU ARE A WRONGULARITY FROM WHICH NO RIGHT CAN ESCAPE! *Chuck Norris was wrong once - He thought HE made a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solviulnir the Soulbinder Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) I like Grotesque's idea of race specific armours. It makes sense that an elf/human would not fit in dwarven armour, or the other way around BUT to make this kind of mechanic a bit more flexible (so as to avoid situations like the one with pink Krogan armour), maybe you could ask a blacksmith to scrap some parts (shoulder pads, breast plates etc.) of the armour that won't fit you to make either a new, larger or smaller armour or to upgrade/repair your current one. Edited November 3, 2012 by Solviulnir the Soulbinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share Posted November 4, 2012 All the same, that hide would eventually rot, unless tanned. Riveting some metal plates into leather made from it would also be a good idea, etc. What if by tanning it, it loses some of its special properties? And adding rivets to it changes it structurally and is no longer as strong as it would otherwise be? Then it makes sense for that hide to stay a hide and to wear it until it rots. Then I'll think of another armor to wear. What if there's something more efficient than tannin in the world of PE? If adding rivets would weaken it structurally, I'd assume that it wouldn't be a good protection in the first place, would it? I'm definitely not an expert on leatherworking though, so I could be wrong about that And are you willing to suffer a massive charisma penalty (and possibly being barred from entering taverns) due to wearing rotting armour? I guess stealth should be disabled too, since your enemies would smell you well before they'd see you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hormalakh Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 All the same, that hide would eventually rot, unless tanned. Riveting some metal plates into leather made from it would also be a good idea, etc. What if by tanning it, it loses some of its special properties? And adding rivets to it changes it structurally and is no longer as strong as it would otherwise be? Then it makes sense for that hide to stay a hide and to wear it until it rots. Then I'll think of another armor to wear. What if there's something more efficient than tannin in the world of PE? If adding rivets would weaken it structurally, I'd assume that it wouldn't be a good protection in the first place, would it? I'm definitely not an expert on leatherworking though, so I could be wrong about that And are you willing to suffer a massive charisma penalty (and possibly being barred from entering taverns) due to wearing rotting armour? I guess stealth should be disabled too, since your enemies would smell you well before they'd see you the point was to give a reason as to why you wouldn't want to necessarily go up the tier. My blog is where I'm keeping a record of all of my suggestions and bug mentions. http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/ UPDATED 9/26/2014 My DXdiag: http://hormalakh.blogspot.com/2014/08/beta-begins-v257.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karranthain Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share Posted November 4, 2012 All the same, that hide would eventually rot, unless tanned. Riveting some metal plates into leather made from it would also be a good idea, etc. What if by tanning it, it loses some of its special properties? And adding rivets to it changes it structurally and is no longer as strong as it would otherwise be? Then it makes sense for that hide to stay a hide and to wear it until it rots. Then I'll think of another armor to wear. What if there's something more efficient than tannin in the world of PE? If adding rivets would weaken it structurally, I'd assume that it wouldn't be a good protection in the first place, would it? I'm definitely not an expert on leatherworking though, so I could be wrong about that And are you willing to suffer a massive charisma penalty (and possibly being barred from entering taverns) due to wearing rotting armour? I guess stealth should be disabled too, since your enemies would smell you well before they'd see you the point was to give a reason as to why you wouldn't want to necessarily go up the tier. And that's a fair one - I was merely posting some counterarguments; both sides have merit. That said, my main gripe with this solution is that it's static, and thus not particularly interesting gameplay wise (at least in my opinion). Progressing through armour tiers is far more enjoyable for me. Doubly so because it's also more sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SophosTheWise Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Still advocating for Landsknechts. Yes it's me. Edited November 5, 2012 by SophosTheWise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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