greylord Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Actually I would guess that they are trying to cash into the market of people who aren't subscribed or are leaving their cable/satellite provider and instead using the internet as a TV. I actually convinced my family that it would be cheaper just to keep the subscription to the networks which have the shows we watch and do away with cable and satellite and instead use sites like Hulu. Also, it is actually cheaper. Hey! I use hulu too! Unfortunately the wife still likes her cable...something about PBS and kids... I'm still trying to convince her that we don't need cable or satellite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Actually I would guess that they are trying to cash into the market of people who aren't subscribed or are leaving their cable/satellite provider and instead using the internet as a TV. I actually convinced my family that it would be cheaper just to keep the subscription to the networks which have the shows we watch and do away with cable and satellite and instead use sites like Hulu. Also, it is actually cheaper. Hey! I use hulu too! Unfortunately the wife still likes her cable...something about PBS and kids... I'm still trying to convince her that we don't need cable or satellite. My kids can totally survive off Netflix, which has a ton of kids programming. My wife is the stick in the mud that won't let me cut the cord. I bought a Roku also, which streams from the internet and has a lot of free channels, including a few good kids shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 im still not sure i understand what console games and internet tv have to do with eachother. Apart from netflix (and other value added stuff MS offers/ wants to offer) there is also (potentially) OnLive style game streaming as well- if it's feasible for phones and tablets it's feasible for TVs as well. That's potentially a lot cheaper and more convenient than getting a set top box/ console, assuming you have the infrastructure to support it. That isn't the case now, but it will be a lot closer in 3-4 years time when console makers would ideally be looking at their consoles becoming profitable. It's also where a lot of game makers would like to go as (potentially) it would mean no console licence fees and no retailer cut so much more profit for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) i think streaming games is still closer to ten+ years away. streaming movies hasnt even arrived in a way that replaces dvd's yet (ie still issues with buffering, internet pauses, server stutters etc, this coming from someone who streams 3-4 movies a week and watches another 1-2 on dvd) i cant imagine how awful it will be when you try and add latency to inputs etc. fighting games for example: i'm pretty sure that there will *never be a time when the internet infrastructure can support streaming a fighting game. *ie 20+ years anyway when we're all plugged into the matrix anyway Edited July 2, 2012 by entrerix Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmp10 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 fighting games for example: i'm pretty sure that there will *never be a time when the internet infrastructure can support streaming a fighting game. If streaming ever becomes desirable games will simply be designed with input lag in mind. It's not exactly unprecedented - less responsive/accurate controls get pushed in gaming all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Sony bought Gaikai Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 From the comments in the article: I "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos_hybrid Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I'm not sure core gamers and Mac users overlap to any great extent in Asia. They are two separate points. MS gets a presence in Asia which is significant since it has none and has still sold more than the PS3, and at the same time denies Apple(OS/Tablet/phone) any future Blizzard games. As for synergies between Blizzard and Xbox, it's unproven as Blizzard has yet to make a splash on the console market. We still don't know whether a console Diablo III is coming, and I just don't think the prospect of playing Diablo or WoW (with controllers!) will convince a console gamer to choose the next Xbox over the next Playstation (whereas the next CoD might). Exclusive sell consoles, what isn't big now doesn't mean it won't be latter. COD wasn't big to MW. As for controllers vs mice, DS3 worked pretty well with a pad, I doubt D3 and on couldn't do the same. Then you have Starcraft which would works as an FPS/TPS/RPG. IMO if MS were going to put up for Activision, they would go all out and acquire Blizzard too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) MS is not interested in buying a huge entity like Acti-Bliz. They already said that they don't want to be a huge first-party publisher either. Gaming is now only a part of their overall strategy, not *the* biggest part anymore. Edited July 2, 2012 by Morgoth Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Actually I would guess that they are trying to cash into the market of people who aren't subscribed or are leaving their cable/satellite provider and instead using the internet as a TV. I actually convinced my family that it would be cheaper just to keep the subscription to the networks which have the shows we watch and do away with cable and satellite and instead use sites like Hulu. Also, it is actually cheaper. Hey! I use hulu too! Unfortunately the wife still likes her cable...something about PBS and kids... I'm still trying to convince her that we don't need cable or satellite. My kids can totally survive off Netflix, which has a ton of kids programming. My wife is the stick in the mud that won't let me cut the cord. I bought a Roku also, which streams from the internet and has a lot of free channels, including a few good kids shows. We're thinking of using Roku as way to keep showtime would you recommend it? I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 i say now that i have no interest in streamed gaming only, and yet if diablo 4 is releaseda streaming only game, whose gonna cave in and play anyway? this guy. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The State of AAA games Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 that was pretty interesting. they only went into detail on profit margins for last year though, this kind of "they sky is falling" attitude could be more understandable if we were able to look at numbers for AAA games for the last 10-15 years. fingers crossed for wasteland to be an amazing game, and prove that there is a market for well made "medium budget" titles Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 ME3 has sold 3.5mil+ copies thus far according to that article, and seems to partly responsible for EA turning some profit this year. Still a failure guys? L0LZ Still, while ME3 was a money maker, a $40million budget is ridiculously high. l0l (it made EA 56mil for a total profit of 16mil) It reminds me of Hollywood blockbusters that make 200mil at the boxofficie but still considred failures cause they cost 250mil to make. Ridiculous. They need to somehow cut costs for blockbusters. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Here's a radical thought maybe better gameplay would make for something more attractive than better graphics. Maybe they shouldn't spent so much money making their games look better than actually making better games. 3 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 as graphics have gotten better, gameplay has stagnated, experienced mild improvements, or actually gotten worse, depending on the franchise/type of game Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Good savings to be made on voice talent, at the very least. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 1 Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Oh please. All games are repetitve. ALL. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 So is all porn Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Tetris is porn? Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Here's a radical thought maybe better gameplay would make for something more attractive than better graphics. Maybe they shouldn't spent so much money making their games look better than actually making better games. Might help the tail problem going on. But graphics are easier to market. Screenshots? Check. Videos? Check. Gameplay doesn't come across well in either, not even videos. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Awesome article. From the same website http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/25/3110947/anthrocon-furry-furries-pittsburgh-wild-kingdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Might help the tail problem going on. But graphics are easier to market. Screenshots? Check. Videos? Check. Gameplay doesn't come across well in either, not even videos. That is why you give out demos and on today's economy I treat every game purchase as if I was investing my money, with tons of research before I actually decide to buy a game. Usually demos are a decisive factor on whether or not I make a purchase. I imagine that's the case with others, besides I seem to recall a time when sometimes with your game purchase you would also get the added benefit of a demo CD showcasing other products from the same company. Edit: Monte...what in the hell is your malfunction? Edited July 3, 2012 by Orogun01 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Edit: Monte...what in the hell is your malfunction? Tunnel vision. 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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