Crysis 2 pirated

[Malcador]

Well it's not, really. If it's true, it's true, no ?

[Tale]

I find paying for something you can end up trying to justify your purchase rather than being honest.

And I find that pirating something, you can end up trying to justify your piracy rather than being honest. Which lends to the speciousness of the entire argument.

 

But overall, how they got it matters not in their assessment, just how they present it and is it backed up.

Fair.

[Oblarg]

The worst thing for me is a person who pirates a game, and then proceeds to tell the world, its buggy, and it sucks, and that they finished it and hated it. They're the ultimate wankers in my opinion.

 

Actually, that's pretty much the situation in which I'd least object to piracy of games - if you're not sure you'd like a game, piracy is a good way to find out if it's worth buying without having to gamble your own money. Assuming, of course, that you buy it if you enjoyed it.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Oblarg

[Nepenthe]

Actually, that's pretty much the situation in which I'd least object to piracy of games - if you're not sure you'd like a game, piracy is a good way to find out if it's worth buying without having to gamble your own money. Assuming, of course, that you buy it if you enjoyed it.

Yeah, that's great. But exactly how many people are going to do that? I'm pretty sure most would think of a rationale (like the abovementioned - it suxx anyway!!11) to skip paying for it. Or at the very least they'll decide to wait for the "goty" edition, and pay 10 % of what they would've needed to pay for the game originally.

[sorophx]

Or at the very least they'll decide to wait for the "goty" edition, and pay 10 % of what they would've needed to pay for the game originally.

that's the most reasonable thing to do always. so many games get released every year, no reason to rush methinks

[HoonDing]

Would anyone be surprised if the Witcher 2, a completely DRM-free game, gets leaked before release? It will be interesting to see how much that game will be pirated... maybe the final test for the PC gaming industry before finally going over to exclusively developing MMOs, indie & browser games.

[Morgoth]

Witcher 2 will be pirated not because of tame DRM, but because it's probably a bad game.

 

People nowadays only pay for Valve and Blizzard games when it comes to PC retail.

[entrerix]

so long as PC games are making money there will be companies developing them. If your game costs 1M to produce/publish/advertise/pay salaries of employees/overhead etc etc, and earns 5M in sales, you've just made 4M in profit, regardless of whether or not 30M in pirated copies have been downloaded.

 

those numbers would certainly piss you off and you would try to minimize piracy to make MORE money, but from a bottom line standpoint, you still have made a 4M profit, enough to fund a few more 1M sized games.

 

not every company will agree, but there will be people happy to make the 4M.

 

The problem really arises when your game costs say, 10M, and only makes 9M. You've now LOST 1M, and if say, 30M in pirated copies have been downloaded, you know that if piracy were not to exist, you would have made at least your 10M back, (but undoubtedly not the full 39M because I think everyone can agree that not every pirated copy = a lost sale)

[Thorton_AP]

Actually, that's pretty much the situation in which I'd least object to piracy of games - if you're not sure you'd like a game, piracy is a good way to find out if it's worth buying without having to gamble your own money. Assuming, of course, that you buy it if you enjoyed it.

 

If you play a game all the way through until completion, it obviously couldn't be THAT poor of a game.

 

I'm much more forgiving for the guy that tries a game for a bit and then deletes it, rather than someone that plays a game through its entirety, and then makes rationalizations for why he shouldn't bother paying for it.

[entrerix]

steam should allow you to download a title and play it for one hour before deciding to purchase it or not. That might curb some piracy IF there are pirates who actually download "just to try" (which i don't really believe is true, but I speak only from anecdotal, not statistical, knowledge)

[Thorton_AP]

I think that could actually be an interesting idea. I don't know if there are any security concerns by giving users access for X time, but I think it sounds... well, sound

[sorophx]

If you play a game all the way through until completion, it obviously couldn't be THAT poor of a game.

or you could just be bored out of your mind and with loads of free time

[Nightshape]

The worst thing for me is a person who pirates a game, and then proceeds to tell the world, its buggy, and it sucks, and that they finished it and hated it. They're the ultimate wankers in my opinion.

 

Actually, that's pretty much the situation in which I'd least object to piracy of games - if you're not sure you'd like a game, piracy is a good way to find out if it's worth buying without having to gamble your own money. Assuming, of course, that you buy it if you enjoyed it.

 

[Zoraptor]

I think that could actually be an interesting idea. I don't know if there are any security concerns by giving users access for X time, but I think it sounds... well, sound

That's what D2D is doing with certain (mostly older) games, though they charge $5 which you get as a discount if you end up buying. I can't see it catching on, it would probably be difficult to implement and regulate properly, and an hours play if about half the length of some games nowadays.

[sorophx]

steam should allow you to download a title and play it for one hour before deciding to purchase it or not.

wow, that could actually be fun, who's gone farther in the game in that one hour

[sorophx]

double post.

Edited February 14, 2011 by sorophx

[entrerix]

I think that could actually be an interesting idea. I don't know if there are any security concerns by giving users access for X time, but I think it sounds... well, sound

That's what D2D is doing with certain (mostly older) games, though they charge $5 which you get as a discount if you end up buying. I can't see it catching on, it would probably be difficult to implement and regulate properly, and an hours play if about half the length of some games nowadays.

 

 

charging 5$ to rent a game for an hour is such a ripoff, i can only imagine it would make people want to pirate MORE. I definitely cant picture that type of scheme winning anyone over.

 

I'm talking about steam letting you click on any title you want, automatically download, play for an hour, then be asked if you want to buy the game.

 

it would let people try before they buy without putting anything on the line at all, which is apparently one of the arguments people use in favor of piracy.

 

I don't see how it could be that hard to regulate, you always get just the first hour of the game, so even if a person uses multiple steam accounts to get the first hour multiple times, they can only get so far into the game.

 

and if a publisher is dead set on releasing a $50 game and it only takes 2-3 hours to finish it... well then that's what you get for being a jerkface.

 

some games this type of thing wouldnt work for, ie team fortress 2 or other multiplayer games where there is no real story progression etc

[Deadly_Nightshade]

can't you play steam games in offline mode?

 

Sure, but that expires over time and is known to be very buggy. Plus you still need Steam, and all the accompanying annoyances and restrictions, to run/install it.

 

or do you mean that you can't even install them without logging into steam?

 

That's one of the ways that Steam restricts you, yes.

 

[Zoraptor]

I think that could actually be an interesting idea. I don't know if there are any security concerns by giving users access for X time, but I think it sounds... well, sound

That's what D2D is doing with certain (mostly older) games, though they charge $5 which you get as a discount if you end up buying. I can't see it catching on, it would probably be difficult to implement and regulate properly, and an hours play if about half the length of some games nowadays.

charging 5$ to rent a game for an hour is such a ripoff, i can only imagine it would make people want to pirate MORE. I definitely cant picture that type of scheme winning anyone over.

Sorry, the d2d thing is $5 for five hours, so it's a decent amount of time. The second sentence was referring specifically to the 1 hour on steam idea but ended up implying both were an hour.

[Hurlshort]

Not to be a negative nelly, but there was an indie pack that was selling for whatever you wanted to pay awhile back, and people still pirated it.

[Nepenthe]

Or at the very least they'll decide to wait for the "goty" edition, and pay 10 % of what they would've needed to pay for the game originally.

that's the most reasonable thing to do always. so many games get released every year, no reason to rush methinks

Reasonable to pirate first, maybe buy later for a lot cheaper? You see no problem with this, at all?

Edited February 15, 2011 by Nepenthe

[Kaftan Barlast]

there was an indie pack that was selling for whatever you wanted to pay awhile back, and people still pirated it.

 

 

Of course they did, indie games are terrible. If I had paid money for some retro-platform rubbish made by some tit who thinks 'bart simpsons vs the space mutants' is the greatest game ever, Id kill myself.

[Morgoth]

there was an indie pack that was selling for whatever you wanted to pay awhile back, and people still pirated it.

 

 

Of course they did, indie games are terrible. If I had paid money for some retro-platform rubbish made by some tit who thinks 'bart simpsons vs the space mutants' is the greatest game ever, Id kill myself.

Couldn't have said it better myself, ****ing indie trash. Where are the real games?

[Kaftan Barlast]

In my pants.

Edited February 15, 2011 by Kaftan Barlast

[Nepenthe]