Crysis 2 pirated

[Nightshape]

Its just a nightly build, not the source code or anything. I doubt the people who were planning on buying the game are gonna go "Oh, guess Ill cancel my preorder and just play this bug-riddled mess right now instead!"

That's what I would do if I had a good enough computer, even if just for the campaign.

 

 

wait you're saying that if you had a good enough computer you WOULD steal crysis 2?

Piracy isn't stealing. It's like borrowing.

 

You can tell me that when I come round to your place, eat your food, and then vomit it back up claiming I was only borrowing it.

[Nightshape]

No, piracy isn't stealing. It's copyright infringement. The two are different things.

 

Edit: It certainly isn't "borrowing," however.

 

It's stealing.

[Calax]

When the relationship between PC developers and PC gamers starts to mirror a hostage situation, it's time to get out of the market.

 

To wit, pinning the blame on Crytek for this is breathtakingly stupid.

I wasn't necessarily yelling at crytek, but at the PC publishers in general who seem to have decided that Demo's are just not worth it, or ONLY for multiplayer value as a beta.

[Malcador]

It's stealing.

 

What did you lose?

 

As for this beta release, well, yeah, apparently it certainly is one, heh.

Edited February 12, 2011 by Malcador

[Oblarg]

No, piracy isn't stealing. It's copyright infringement. The two are different things.

 

Edit: It certainly isn't "borrowing," however.

 

It's stealing.

 

No, it's not. It's copyright infringement.

 

When you steal something, you deprive the victim of the thing itself.

 

When you pirate something, you deprive the victim of potential profit.

 

The two are not equivalent.

[Nightshape]

No, piracy isn't stealing. It's copyright infringement. The two are different things.

 

Edit: It certainly isn't "borrowing," however.

 

It's stealing.

 

No, it's not. It's copyright infringement.

 

When you steal something, you deprive the victim of the thing itself.

 

When you pirate something, you deprive the victim of potential profit.

 

The two are not equivalent.

 

Oh joy.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal

 

*sigh* You've ended up with something that doesn't belong to you, you're stealing it.... *ahem* or should I say "to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment".

 

I have to ask... Are you a pirate? Because you seem to think they're not equivalent.

[Malcador]

Odd how you're not charged with the same. Funniest conspiracy theory from release log - "People are so Naive, no matter what this game will sell like hotcakes, this is probably just a publicity stunt to help build hype

Edited February 13, 2011 by Malcador

[Nightshape]

Odd how you're not charged with the same.

 

Hell, who knows what the law will be, based on some geographical region.

 

Even if it wasn't illegal, would it be right? No, because the result is that you end up with something you shouldn't own.

[Hurlshort]

Is it really already time to have another piracy debate again? I thought we still had a month or two.

 

Whatever you call it, or whatever legal class you put it into, it is wrong to do. Let's just leave it at that and stop trying to justify it.

[Oblarg]

Oh joy.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal

 

*sigh* You've ended up with something that doesn't belong to you, you're stealing it.... *ahem* or should I say "to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment".

 

I have to ask... Are you a pirate? Because you seem to think they're not equivalent.

 

 

Stealing implies that the victim loses possession of the thing that is stolen. Piracy does not. Equating the two actions is just as silly as calling piracy "borrowing." Piracy is much closer to counterfeiting than to stealing.

[Hurlshort]

Piracy is much closer to counterfeiting than to stealing.

 

Not really, as it doesn't take a team of 100+ people years to make currency. I'd say it is a lot closer to stealing than counterfeiting.

[Oblarg]

Piracy is much closer to counterfeiting than to stealing.

 

Not really, as it doesn't take a team of 100+ people years to make currency. I'd say it is a lot closer to stealing than counterfeiting.

 

Counterfeiting (which isn't restricted to money, by the way) is illegally imitating/producing a product. Stealing is taking it from those who have already made it.

 

Piracy quite clearly falls in the former category. In fact, it's often grouped with counterfeit goods in studies. It's almost never grouped with theft, because the economic impact is much more comparable to that of counterfeiting than of theft.

Edited February 13, 2011 by Oblarg

[entrerix]

i kinda sorta agree with oblarq that its closer to counterfeiting than stealing, but stealing is still a hell of a lot closer to describing it than "borrowing".

[Oblarg]

i kinda sorta agree with oblarq that its closer to counterfeiting than stealing, but stealing is still a hell of a lot closer to describing it than "borrowing".

 

Fair enough.

 

The morality isn't really what's relevant when defining it, though - what's important is the impact it has on sales.

[Orogun01]

i kinda sorta agree with oblarq that its closer to counterfeiting than stealing, but stealing is still a hell of a lot closer to describing it than "borrowing".

But the problem with counterfeiting is that the fault lies solely with the counterfeiter and there is no monetary trade for internet piracy. Since we also use the term pirate for anyone who illegally downloads a immense amount of pirated material and counterfeiting doesn't encompass their guilt in the matter, I believe that it isn't an appropriate term. This is an unique phenomenon of a digital age and should be considered in its own class, IMO.

[Hurlshort]

i kinda sorta agree with oblarq that its closer to counterfeiting than stealing, but stealing is still a hell of a lot closer to describing it than "borrowing".

 

Fair enough.

 

The morality isn't really what's relevant when defining it, though - what's important is the impact it has on sales.

 

Why is that? This isn't business law, it is criminal law we are talking about. Morality does come into play considerably.

[Oblarg]

i kinda sorta agree with oblarq that its closer to counterfeiting than stealing, but stealing is still a hell of a lot closer to describing it than "borrowing".

 

Fair enough.

 

The morality isn't really what's relevant when defining it, though - what's important is the impact it has on sales.

 

Why is that? This isn't business law, it is criminal law we are talking about. Morality does come into play considerably.

 

What matters is how hard this hits Crytek, not how much time the guy who leaked it should serve.

 

I'd argue that even morally it's closer to counterfeiting, too, if you want to argue that. Not that it really matters.

[Zoraptor]

This isn't business law, it is criminal law we are talking about.

Well, it's almost always covered in civil law, as I understand it, ie you get sued for piracy rather than arrested unless there are very unusual circumstances. That's why it not being stealing is significant, as stealing is enforced by police while rights infringements are enforced by the rights holders, in civil court.

[Nepenthe]

This isn't business law, it is criminal law we are talking about.

Well, it's almost always covered in civil law, as I understand it, ie you get sued for piracy rather than arrested unless there are very unusual circumstances. That's why it not being stealing is significant, as stealing is enforced by police while rights infringements are enforced by the rights holders, in civil court.

Nope. I suggest you buy a dvd movie with the FBI warning (instead of a pirate copy where the warning has been deleted).

 

Same thing in Europe, certainly in Nordic countries where criminal and civil proceedings can be handled simultaneously (like they were in the Pirate Bay case).

[Thorton_AP]

Stealing implies that the victim loses possession of the thing that is stolen.

 

I'm not sure if this is actually the case, or if it's become that way as a part of the rationalizations of piracy.

 

Googling the definition often comes up with someone taking property without paying for it. Why would "property" not include intellectual property. Because honestly, I've never understood why people get their panties in such a bunch when people DO refer to piracy as stealing.

[Nightshape]

Piracy is much closer to counterfeiting than to stealing.

 

Not really, as it doesn't take a team of 100+ people years to make currency. I'd say it is a lot closer to stealing than counterfeiting.

 

Counterfeiting (which isn't restricted to money, by the way) is illegally imitating/producing a product. Stealing is taking it from those who have already made it.

 

Piracy quite clearly falls in the former category. In fact, it's often grouped with counterfeit goods in studies. It's almost never grouped with theft, because the economic impact is much more comparable to that of counterfeiting than of theft.

 

I don't give a monkey's. Piracy is unacceptable, you can dress it up however you like.

[Nightshape]

Stealing implies that the victim loses possession of the thing that is stolen.

 

I'm not sure if this is actually the case, or if it's become that way as a part of the rationalizations of piracy.

 

Googling the definition often comes up with someone taking property without paying for it. Why would "property" not include intellectual property. Because honestly, I've never understood why people get their panties in such a bunch when people DO refer to piracy as stealing.

 

because they're filthy theives and they don't want to accept that they're no better than any other type of theif. It's a matter of justification of ones own actions.

 

They know its wrong, but its okay, because its not "really stealing", etc...

 

It's bullcrap excuses.

[Pop]

When the relationship between PC developers and PC gamers starts to mirror a hostage situation, it's time to get out of the market.

 

To wit, pinning the blame on Crytek for this is breathtakingly stupid.

I wasn't necessarily yelling at crytek, but at the PC publishers in general who seem to have decided that Demo's are just not worth it, or ONLY for multiplayer value as a beta.

My comments weren't aimed at anyone in particular.

[sorophx]

I don't think it's fair to call random users pirates just because they downloaded a copy of the game. piracy is releasing cracked games. it has become an issue with the developers only because of it's proportions.

 

can anybody tell me whether a person may be charged with theft if he didn't steal anything but somehow came into possession of stolen goods or not?

[WorstUsernameEver]

I don't think it's fair to call random users pirates just because they downloaded a copy of the game.

 

Sorry but what should they be called otherwise?