What are you playing now

[Oner]

Yes. Did you?

Just because Square loves spiky hair doesn't make every JRPG the same.

[Purkake]

...because that's what I said.

 

Same overused save-the-world plots, nonexistent or pants-on-head crazy characterization, the same turn-based combat system 90% of the time, hours upon hours of grinding. The genre is stagnant.

[MysterD]

I'm juggling on the PC b/t...

Sup Com 2 (Steam)

DIRT 2 (Steam)

STALKER: Call of Pripyat - Loyalty Edition (Impulse)

[Oner]

Same overused save-the-world plots, nonexistent or pants-on-head crazy characterization, the same turn-based combat system 90% of the time, hours upon hours of grinding. The genre is stagnant.

So you did decide this all by yourself.

[Purkake]

Care to prove me wrong?

[Irrelevant]

I disagree with hurshot's comparison of Splinter Cell to Alpha Protocol, Splinter Cell was more of a puzzle game(What do I need to do in order to get past this area,)with difficulty level determining which solutions there were and how many tries you would get before dying(an exeption is the newest game which looks like an action game ), where it looks like Alpha Protocol is about having a different experience each time it is played based on what choices they made with a Roleplaying game/ spionage gameplay style/setting. Well, unless I got confused and your comparing how both series(if you considering all of Obsidians game to be one) have changed over the years.

I do not understand why Metacritic is used to determine a games quality, if anything it is simply a way to tell which game is the most popular(which would explain why some developers might use it in order to determine where to take a particular series) Also, If developers where more clear about what the purpose of their game is(what is it made to

[Hurlshort]

I wasn't actually the one to originally compare Splinter Cell and AP. In fact I think the better comparison is Deus Ex to AP.

 

But I believe the original comparison came up because we were talking about gameplay mechanics. I agree with most of what you said though. Were you cut off in mid sentence?

[Oner]

Care to prove me wrong?

So you can "forget" about it and start the argument over in 3 months? Or pretend that the west doesn't do exactly what you're accusing JRPGs of? Nope.

 

Were you cut off in mid sentence?

Must have been Candle Ja Edited June 6, 2010 by Oner

[Morgoth]

Just saw that GoG offers Enclave, a Hack & Slash game from Starbreeze. Recommendable?

[Oner]

Just saw that GoG offers Enclave, a Hack & Slash game from Starbreeze. Recommendable?

My friend was all over it back in the day.

[Morgoth]

Well, I'll keep that in mind. Right now I'm busy with Alien Breed anyway.

[Irrelevant]

achieve, what its purpose is) then maybe some game would have higher ratings. Nightshape: "You're comparing AP to previous generation games. The problem is Splinter Cell was made 8 years ago, and Deus Ex 10 years ago, comparing the results to a game just released is wrong. Especially when the results are comparable to games of a previous generation of technology." What do you mean by this?\

Games are only fundementally different when the point of the game isnt to isnt to tell a story(Adventure games and some JRPG's are good examples of this) Also, we reached a point some time ago technology is which technology is not a limiting factor in which one can hope to portray in both mediums(unless you want to keep pushing the graphics higher and higher) for some reason because games want to do this they have to keep targeting to the most common denominator because of how expensive it is to keep up.

[Irrelevant]

I have a PS3 which for some reason does let me type beyond a certain extent.

I have seen more "Innovation" in Japanese roleplaying games than in Western games.

Kingdom hearts is an RPG series with a hack and slash battle system

Persona 3 and 4 are RPG's with dating sim elements

Baten Kaitos/ Phamton dust card based battle system, the former is turn based the latter is real time.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is the best co-op game I have ever played(4 players(I played it with 3) each one having different information about the map/monsters/reward system ect,)

You can also combine your attacks in order to increase damage to your enemies!

Firaga + 1!

Edited June 6, 2010 by Irrelevant

[Purkake]

Care to prove me wrong?

So you can "forget" about it and start the argument over in 3 months? Or pretend that the west doesn't do exactly what you're accusing JRPGs of? Nope.

I don't recall having that discussion before, care to provide a link to refresh my memory?

 

Just saw that GoG offers Enclave, a Hack & Slash game from Starbreeze. Recommendable?

Yup, loved it back in the day. Don't know how well it has aged, though.

[Starwars]

Still playing Alpha Protocol, having loads of fun. However, after this playthrough I think I'm gonna have to play another game so I don't burn out on AP.

[Mamoulian War]

I have a PS3 which for some reason does let me type beyond a certain extent.

I have seen more "Innovation" in Japanese roleplaying games than in Western games.

Kingdom hearts is an RPG series with a hack and slash battle system

Persona 3 and 4 are RPG's with dating sim elements

Baten Kaitos/ Phamton dust card based battle system, the former is turn based the latter is real time.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles is the best co-op game I have ever played(4 players(I played it with 3) each one having different information about the map/monsters/reward system ect,)

You can also combine your attacks in order to increase damage to your enemies!

Firaga + 1!

 

You are just wasting time explaining this to people like purkake, who love to bash something based on hearsay without ever seeing 90+% of the games they are bashing...

 

Interview of Greg Zeschuk comes to my mind which he gave away right after FFXIII was purchased by every 3rd owner of PS3 in Japan... I am wondering, if he ever played Bioware's own games, because like all of the JRPGs bashing he told, could have been easily applied to all their games they produced...

 

the only innovation i have seen in "western" market in last few years, was in games produced in central and eastern europe...

[Kaftan Barlast]

Still playing Alpha Protocol, having loads of fun. However, after this playthrough I think I'm gonna have to play another game so I don't burn out on AP.

 

 

Im struggling to finish it. I felt boredom set in after Rome and halfway through Moscow, and now Im just rushing through the rest to see how it ends. Not that I expect the ending to be any good, the whole "evil company wants to start WW3" plot is ridicilous from start to finish.

[Nightshape]

achieve, what its purpose is) then maybe some game would have higher ratings. Nightshape: "You're comparing AP to previous generation games. The problem is Splinter Cell was made 8 years ago, and Deus Ex 10 years ago, comparing the results to a game just released is wrong. Especially when the results are comparable to games of a previous generation of technology." What do you mean by this?\

Games are only fundementally different when the point of the game isnt to isnt to tell a story(Adventure games and some JRPG's are good examples of this) Also, we reached a point some time ago technology is which technology is not a limiting factor in which one can hope to portray in both mediums(unless you want to keep pushing the graphics higher and higher) for some reason because games want to do this they have to keep targeting to the most common denominator because of how expensive it is to keep up.

 

To cut to the chase, Obsidian produced a poor product in regards to every area but the story.

 

I think that it would have been possible to make AP for a previous generation console, that's how much it seems to be utilising the underlaying hardware.

 

Technology is still a limiting factor, I should know I work with these consoles everyday.

 

AP is limited by the ability of the team to deliver a polished, cutting edge, and artistic experience. Whatever the reason, it didn't happen.

[Nightshape]

Still playing Alpha Protocol, having loads of fun. However, after this playthrough I think I'm gonna have to play another game so I don't burn out on AP.

 

 

Im struggling to finish it. I felt boredom set in after Rome and halfway through Moscow, and now Im just rushing through the rest to see how it ends. Not that I expect the ending to be any good, the whole "evil company wants to start WW3" plot is ridicilous from start to finish.

 

Funny... I'm feeling the same way.

[Malcador]

Amazing how buzzwords work.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Finally bought Alpha Protocol. Dialogue and characters are amazing in every way, and once you put some points into Pistols and Stealth, the combat even manages to become fun. Chain Shot is so overpowered. The story however... Mike seemed to get on the conspiracy bandwagon a little too fast, and the whole "new World War" plot doesn't really make sense. It's good, but I'm not here for a plot twist.

[WorstUsernameEver]

I think that it would have been possible to make AP for a previous generation console, that's how much it seems to be utilising the underlaying hardware.

 

Not wanting to open a really big can of worms, but the same could be said about pretty much every game I've played this year. Really, take out the graphic engine and you've got a game that was perfectly possible to produce for older generation consoles, considering that the design hasn't really changed that much (today everything has regenerating health, but that's about the only thing that has changed..).

 

By the way, been playing The Secret of Monkey Island : Special Edition. Don't really understand all the fuss 'yeaaargh they've changed Guybrush hair!'.. actually I think that's how a remake should be done.

Even just clicking F10 to return to the old graphics and watch what the presentation would have been and then returning to the remake graphics and sounds (seamlessly) is a lot of fun. About the only complaint I have is that they could have made possible to use the new remastered sound with the old graphics, but who really cares? I like the new presentation. Fits the mood just right.

[Nepenthe]

Finally bought Alpha Protocol. Dialogue and characters are amazing in every way, and once you put some points into Pistols and Stealth, the combat even manages to become fun. Chain Shot is so overpowered. The story however... Mike seemed to get on the conspiracy bandwagon a little too fast, and the whole "new World War" plot doesn't really make sense. It's good, but I'm not here for a plot twist.

 

I must have been playing a different game. In mine they weren't trying to cause world war 3, they were trying to boost there sales in a way that was accidentally going to create ww3. :/

[HoonDing]

I must have been playing a different game. In mine they weren't trying to cause world war 3, they were trying to boost there sales in a way that was accidentally going to create ww3. :/

I remember Leland spouting "The only thing more lucrative than a war, is a cold war". Or something.

[Calax]

I must have been playing a different game. In mine they weren't trying to cause world war 3, they were trying to boost there sales in a way that was accidentally going to create ww3. :/

I remember Leland spouting "The only thing more lucrative than a war, is a cold war". Or something.

 

He's trying to foster a Cold War because everyone buys his weapons, but Mike figures out (Don't ask me how) that the cold war is going to go hot