Purkake Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Stop ruining our fun I nominate Mass Effect and Portal, as I said before and add HL2+Episodes to that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 lol yeah i totally 100% agree with portal, mass effect i'm personally not sold on yet. i think riddick stands a better chance at being recognized as better down the line. i think mass effect may eventually be somewhat forgotten because bioware will keep releasing new games, each essentially replacing the last (since they are so similar) i could be wrong though, why do you think mass effect might get there? Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Because it made WRPGs, especially of the sci-fi variety again accessible to the mainstream. Barring some crazy stuff the Mass Effect trilogy will just be remembered as Mass Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 i could kind of see that logic, thats similar to why i nominated bioshock really. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 So if I think my toothpick is brilliant, that makes it so? I am now in possession of the singular brilliant toothpick. For something to be considered good, you need someone to agree with you, otherwise everything anyone makes would be equally good. The case is, if at least 1 person besides you thinks that your idea is brilliant, there is big chance that the idea is realy brilliant Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Just to be clear, being a classic doesn't require originality. I don't think people have said that they do need originality directly, and I know someone else has said what I just did. Though a lot of the criteria that people list do indicate originality in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) "I meant free indie games. My point is that sometimes the criteria for success is dependent on the developer's goals." Um. If it's free than obviously the intent isn't to make money right? So, it would mean that it doens't need to make money since obviously the goal isn't to make money. If I made somehting and gave it to free I can't really be expecting to make a profit... "Same as if they'd climbed a mountain together and returned home alive and in good spirits (and with memories that they'd keep their whole lives)." This doens't even make sense and has nothing to do what we are discussing. I consider it a success when I win a hide and seek (when I was a kid); but it's completely irrelevant here. "yeah some authors dont write for money, they write for the pleasure of writing. but they are still glad if they get some $ at the end of the day." Irrelevant. Doens't matter how much you like somehting yo do, if you aren't succeeding at selling it you aren't a professional. Stephen King is an author. I presume he started writing because he enjoyed. He became successful. It doesn't mean he enjoys it less. However, if his books had bombed sale wise, he would be a failure even thoguh he would still be able to continue to enjoy writing. Just not professionally. I enjoy playing sports but I'm not a professional athlete hence my 'failure' professionally... doesn't mean I enjoy sports less. Edited September 4, 2009 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) So if I think my toothpick is brilliant, that makes it so? I am now in possession of the singular brilliant toothpick. For something to be considered good, you need someone to agree with you, otherwise everything anyone makes would be equally good. If you truly recognize it as brilliant for some reason... yesMy post made the assumption of brilliance a given, in those examples. If it wasn't brilliant, then it wasn't. (but in this case it was ). no moar derail thread!!! was not thread about defining terms! Agreed. "Same as if they'd climbed a mountain together and returned home alive and in good spirits (and with memories that they'd keep their whole lives)." This doens't even make sense and has nothing to do what we are discussing. I consider it a success when I win a hide and seek (when I was a kid); but it's completely irrelevant here. It does indeed make sense... and someone else may even choose to reiterate it. (But I'll put it another way myself... Look at the link in my SIG, called Ground Zero. Those guys got no direct pay for their hobby, yet it got them all jobs. ) Edited September 4, 2009 by Gizmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Nothing is objectively brilliant. Also you still haven't added CoD: MW, entrerix. It is THE multiplayer console shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entrerix Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) Bioshock maybe riddick maybe company of heroes wow Portal maybe world of goo resident evil 4 (but not 5) shadow of colossus Rock Band maybe Braid maybe the Witcher maybe stalker left 4 dead Far Cry (wait how old is this game?) maybe Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (its the best console shooter i've played since perfect dark, but its not as good as that game was for it's time. imo) maybe Batman Arkham Asylum (mostly because I think it will greatly influence future superhero games) maybe mass effect maybe Bethesda's Fallout: Wasteland Explorer (don't go nuts over this, im merely posting it because it might end up creating a newish subgenre: the EARPFPS - (exploration action roleplay fps) these are my (and some others') current guesses at likely candidates of recent (5 year limit) games. I wanted to put BG&E and prince of persia but they are both outside the somewhat arbitrary 5 year limit on "new" not many rpg's on my guesses list... thats also 15+ games in 5 years. thats 3 a year if they all made it. im surprised at myself for nominating so many since when i think of my favorite games nearly all of them are much older than 5 years Edited September 4, 2009 by entrerix Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) Nothing is objectively brilliant.Go watch the Connections series by James Burke when you can. ______________ 5 years huh... and classic? *starts thinking... Can't think of anything in that time frame except (maybe Dawn of War). I haven't played Witcher, MOTB, Stalker, [though I own all 3] and nothing that is not a PC title. Edited September 5, 2009 by Gizmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Carlo Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 maybe Bethesda's Fallout: Wasteland Explorer (don't go nuts over this, im merely posting it because it might end up creating a newishsubgenre: the EARPFPS - (exploration action roleplay fps) I actually wonder if you're onto something there, I like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Not sure what would qualify as 'classics'... Probably some arbitrary thing as game that will be remembered more fondly in the future than in the present So, what would they be remembered for? Long time spent playing? Stunning visuals/audio? Funky game design/mechanics? Innovative features/concepts? Looking back at the past 5 years, I don't really see what would make the current crop 'classics' (disclaimer: I probably haven't played a lot of the "popular" games the last 5 years either) “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I dunno, maybe there haven't been any classics in the last 5 years. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rostere Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Team Fortress 2. "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 It looked too cartoony, so I never bothered. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I guess maybe unreal tourney 2004, that would be 5 years old, and still going strong with lots of servers and a modding community. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gorgon Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) THE console shooter. Contradiction in terms. Or maybe it's more like being the worlds smartest horse. Pretty smart for a horse, but it fails when compared to human intelligence. Edited September 5, 2009 by Gorgon Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 (edited) THE console shooter. Contradiction in terms. Or maybe it's more like being the worlds smartest horse. Pretty smart for a horse, but it fails when compared to human intelligence. You may want to cut back on the elitism a bit, it's already dripping on the floor. There are shooters on the console, some people actually enjoy them, CoD:MW is one of the best. If you can't deal with other people having fun, I feel sad for you. Edited September 5, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 But... you can't aim with a controller. Well, you can, but why would you want to ? Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 The console shooters and PC shooters are in different categories, sure. Have you ever played a console shooter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPGmasterBoo Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I have and its downright stupid. It beats the whole point of an FPS game, which is reflex based precise mouse shooting. If that setup was any good everyone would bring a gamepad to Quake 3 and CS tournaments. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 So all those people having fun with Cod4 are living in a carefully crafted delusion that would pop a moment they touched a PC FPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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