Darque Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 "I'm sorry familiars are gimped in NWN2, but as a Warlock I won't need one..." I'm about to make an oath to kill all warlocks I see in MP in the faint hope a little piece of you dies with them. R00fles! :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Probably. The pennisula prison was particularly nasty in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yes, I know. But since the script language in NWN 2 is going to be backwards compatible to NWN 1 it shouldn't take too much effort to convert it over if any actual work needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Warlocks? They're traitorous witches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Who did they betray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Familiars are useless. Their only function seems to consist of dying horribly when their owner is hit by an area spell. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 That is what evasion is for. They get it for free you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Who did they betray? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To Wiccans they are an oath breaker who betrayed their coven. Strange to have a class like this in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielle Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Familiars are useless. Their only function seems to consist of dying horribly when their owner is hit by an area spell. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well at least they died in their masters service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Oh, okay. Don't know much about Wiccan folklore and religion. Didn't take that class while at the Uni. Darque: They died while servicing their masters, wha? Edited January 18, 2006 by Judge Hades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 "That is what evasion is for. They get it for free you know." In fact, they have improved invasion. I wish people knew what they were discussing before discussing it. Though, in NWN, most familiars don't have (improved) invasion yet people have the gall to claim that they're soooo overpowered comapred to their pnp counterparts. Heck, a familiar can survive a red dragon breathing on them. R00fles! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Heck, a familiar can survive a red dragon breathing on them. R00fles! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Interesting. Surely you jest. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 No. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Off topic, but holy crap do you play NWN a lot Volo. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyan Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 To the original topic - I'm not so sure about the Warlock being implimented as a *good* thing. It makes me sceptical. Then again, I've never been fond of warlocks *or* psionics. A question though... will it be possible to impliment your own classes into NWN2 via the toolset? I know that it could cause a lot of imbalance, but it would still be a useful tool. Or is everything hardcoded? HK47: Commentary: It is not possible to destroy the master. It is suggested that you run while my blasters warm, meatbags. Bastila to Revan: You are easily the vainest, most arrogant man I have ever met! Canderous to Bastila: Insults? Maybe if your master had trained your lightsaber to be as quick as your tongue you could have escaped those Vulkars, you spoiled little Jedi princess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're a bad thing (w00t) I don't like Barbarians, Paladins, Monks, Clerics or Rangers... but I don't see them being added as a bad thing. " Edited January 18, 2006 by Darque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Off topic, but holy crap do you play NWN a lot Volo. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is most assuredly a dedicated player. When I first bought Baldur Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Warlocks remind me a lot of Shifters, trading in absolute power for more versatility and endurance - thus limiting need to constantly rest. I like. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 They picked the easiest class to implement in an effort to dumb down the game for people better off buying and unreal game. Yaw devs, Yaw!!! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 That almost makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 No, that was when they made the game real-time instead of turn-based LOL ROFLTUNASANDWICH (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 No. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A red dragon is not weak. It would seem that the game is flawed ithen if a familiar can survive. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Not if it was immune to fire somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 No. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A red dragon is not weak. It would seem that the game is flawed ithen if a familiar can survive. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well he didn't say what age group the dragon belonged to... " But let's take a look shall we? Max damage for a red dragon would be at great wyrm stage. A Great Wyrm Red Dragon has a 24d10 breath weapon. Maximum damage with that breath weapon is 240, however it allows a reflex save for half damage. Since Familiars have Improved Evasion they only take half damage even if they fail their save for a maximum total damage from the breath weapon of 120 points. Now if we also take maximum HP for the mage at level 20 (to give the familiar the best possible chance to survive the hit) we have 80HP for the master and half that, or 40HP, for the familiar. Discounting any con bonuses that the wizard has the familiar has a 1 in 3 chance of surviving the hit from the dragon (120 damage/40HP=3) providing that it fails the saving throw to negate all damage. Of course any con bonuses from the wizard will only increase the chance that the familiar survives. +1 Con bonus: 120 damage/50HP = 41.67% +2 Con bonus: 120 damage/60HP = 50.00% +3 Con bonus: 120 damage/70HP = 58.82% +4 Con bonus: 120 damage/80HP = 66.67% and so on and so forth... I really don't want to go into it's overall chance by factoring in the chance that the familiar will make the reflex save, because I've just spent the last 5 hours working on a math data management project dealing with statistics and frankly I'm sick of them now. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Errr...is your math sound? Why would you take max damage and divide it by the total HP? I mean, if Max damage = min damage = 120, then the only chance it has for survival if its HP is less than or equal to 120 is if the evasion roll succeeds. You'd need to do a whole schlock of work, determining the probabilities of each damage time and all that for yours to work. I mean, a guy with 1 HP and a Reflex save of +23432 is probably going to survive more often than not. Though you did comment that you didn't want to calculate the reflex save. Even then, if it takes 120 damage and has no reflex save...then how does it surivive 1/3 of the time if it has 40 HP? Edited January 18, 2006 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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