Plano Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 ***SOME SPOILERS HERE*** Will be a tough one either, allthough nobody did actually do this on purpose, it is possible that you will have to kill Dustil in Kotor I, when you fail to give him evidence that the Sith are Evil, say anything wrong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK, this argument about not bringing people back because IT WAS POSSIBLE to kill the character just doesn't cut it with me. I killed Bastila in K1 (one of my playthroughs although I may have reloaded the game) and yet I saw Bastila's image on a holomessage in K2. How? Because, while many things are POSSIBLE, only one linear sequence of events actually happened continuity-wise in the game. Revan is LS, Exile is LS. How do I know this? Because (with very few exceptions) all SW protagonists are LS. Bastila is still alive. How do I know this? Because the designers said so by bringing her into K2. The fact is Big Z, Mission, Juhanni, Jolee, Dustil, Visas, Atris and Bastila can all return. Whether they should or not is another matter, depending on where you want to go with the story. But there absolutely no continuity reason they cannot. Vrook, on the other hand, cannot return as a living man because there is no sequence of events that keeps him alive by the end of the game. Remember, the DS path (if you even want to call it that) is only there as a doggie treat. The LS path (with no mistakes) is what actually happened. I just hope that I am the most powerful Force user on my ship for most of the game. You probably will be. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps my biggest beef with K2 was feeling like a chump on my own ship because of Miss Know It All. If such a character joins my ship, I want it to happen late in the game. I want to feel like the Captain of the Ebon Hawk for most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yep, you guys want ubermunchkin force users. BORING! If there is a K3 I want the game to be challenging, somethingthat k1 and K2 severel,y lacked because of all the munchkin powers and abilities the character gets. Just spam force powers and swing the lightsaber and everybody dies.l No need for strategy. No need for tatics. No need to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yep, you guys want ubermunchkin force users. BORING! If there is a K3 I want the game to be challenging, somethingthat k1 and K2 severel,y lacked because of all the munchkin powers and abilities the character gets. Just spam force powers and swing the lightsaber and everybody dies.l No need for strategy. No need for tatics. No need to think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pardon my ignorance, but isn't the whole concept of Star Wars d20 ubermunchkin? "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yep, you guys want ubermunchkin force users. BORING! If there is a K3 I want the game to be challenging, somethingthat k1 and K2 severel,y lacked because of all the munchkin powers and abilities the character gets. Just spam force powers and swing the lightsaber and everybody dies.l No need for strategy. No need for tatics. No need to think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not exactly in Kotor I. Try it with: The Rancor in the sewers Sherruk The Albino Kath Hound The krayt dragon The monster firaxa shark The two Terentataks in Naga Sadows tomb The energy pillars in Naga Sadows tomb The Droids on the Star Forge Darth Malak Those are not exactly Force Wave slash / slash / slash. Master Vandar lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) Puzzle bosses(like the huge firaxa for instance) of course are an exception. Normal bosses die like everything else, just spam your best force power and slash away with all the characters. Edited January 2, 2006 by Musopticon? kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moth Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 K1 I think had more puzzle challenges than K2 did. I liked them and would like to see more of them in K3. If it's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 K1 I think had more puzzle challenges than K2 did. I liked them and would like to see more of them in K3. If it's made. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KOTOR II had some puzzles, like the door lock in the warehouse, but for the most part, there was nothing to do besides the quests. KOTOR I had a ok amount of challenges, but could have used more. So, it would be great to have plenty to stuff to be challenged about in KOTOR III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Depending on how you played the previous two games (provided you did play, otherwise it should default to the core storyline) all previous PC Yaw devs, Yaw!!! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 About the workbench, ugrading should be able to be accomplished by means other than leaving and then coming back just to switch functions. Upgrading and Build/Break Down modes should be at the same time, to save time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haitoku Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yep, you guys want ubermunchkin force users. BORING! If there is a K3 I want the game to be challenging, somethingthat k1 and K2 severel,y lacked because of all the munchkin powers and abilities the character gets. Just spam force powers and swing the lightsaber and everybody dies.l No need for strategy. No need for tatics. No need to think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I'll agree with you on that. You can still be an "uber" force user and have the game require tactics and thought though. In my opinion (this is from playing JRPGs), actual battle strength and strength according to the story should be two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) The Rancor in the sewers Easy to kill. Lay a few mines for the trap then use Mission as the bait. Dead. Sherruk Not an obstacle. The Albino Kath Hound Beat it with a lightsaber and frag grenades. Not a challenge. The krayt dragon I didn't kill it. The hunter did. The monster firaxa shark Didn't fight it either. Poisoned it. The two Terentataks in Naga Sadows tomb Lightsabers and force powers. Killed both at the same time. The energy pillars in Naga Sadows tomb Not a critter. The Droids on the Star Forge Made my own droids and wat ched the fun. Darth Malak Life drained his pods then spammed thermal detonators. Not much thought required. Edited January 2, 2006 by Judge Hades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 The Rancor in the sewers Easy to kill. Lay a few mines for the trap then use Mission as the bait. Dead. Sherruk Not an obstacle. The Albino Kath Hound Beat it with a lightsaber and frag grenades. Not a challenge. The krayt dragon I didn't kill it. The hunter did. The monster firaxa shark Didn't fight it either. Poisoned it. The two Terentataks in Naga Sadows tomb Lightsabers and force powers. Killed both at the same time. The energy pillars in Naga Sadows tomb Not a critter. The Droids on the Star Forge Made my own droids and wat ched the fun. Darth Malak Life drained his pods then spammed thermal detonators. Not much thought required. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Toooooooo true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiser_Cain Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 If you want to discuss previous KOTOR's do it in another thread. Yaw devs, Yaw!!! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Nah. K3 needs to be more of a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Well,you've seen what female privates are like ( ).Imagine a female general,especially during her period... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah, that explains Malicore..... " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) They should have a KOTOR about the Exar Kun war. Question: Does everybody know who Exar Kun is? Edited January 2, 2006 by Skywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) No. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exar Kun was THE MOST POWERFUL SITH LORD THERE EVER WAS. He was briefly mentioned on Yavin 4 in KOTOR I. His 4000 year old spirit ripped Luke's soul out of his body. That's who Exar Kun is. If you have ever played Jedi Knight Jedi Academy, he is more powerful than Marka Ragnos. He was mentioned in The Valley of the Dark Lords. Edited January 2, 2006 by Skywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I know who Exar Kun is. I was saying no to your first staement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I know who Exar Kun is. I was saying no to your first staement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) Oh bother, noticed that this last thread was 46 sides long. Dont realy have time to read it all though right now. Idea for KotOR3: First make it cannon that both Raven and exile went LS and joined up to fight the true Sith to make things easier. Then we let the game begin with that Raven tells one of Exils new students that shows great promis to board his ship with his two droids and wait for further instructions while he and the exile leads his forces into battle with the true Sith. Followed by a cutscene with a great battle where Ravens forces bearly breakes through the Sith forces with great losses. New cutscene where Raven and Exile cut through the Sith forces in lightsabre combat while using powerfull Force powers untill they meet up with the new badass bosses that defeat them, and with their last strenght Raven and Exile deliver a message to the student. To defeat the Sithlord will take a force focuspoint that Raven heard of in some of the old teaching but never had time to find before the new war with the Sith, and order the student to find one of these. And then endowns him with some force strength to help him (exiles forcebond allowed this and gives that extra bonus that the main character has had in both earlier games). The student now has to choose if he want to follow the lead to a darkside or lightside force focuspoint. Unlike Raven the student now has some time to track down one of these while Sith gather their forces after the battle with Raven. At first planet he goes to his ship is shot down by pirates and both droids are severly damaged and have to be repaired (hence no highlevel droids when repaired since most memory modules was destroyed). He now starts on a planet forced to find a way to repair the droids and his ship. Game starts.... Edited January 2, 2006 by Spook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I know who Exar Kun is. I was saying no to your first staement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stories are designed to go forward, not backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 I know who Exar Kun is. I was saying no to your first staement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stories are designed to go forward, not backwards. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn't specify what KOTOR I wished it to be in, and for all I care, they could call it KOTOR 0. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surreptishus Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 who is Raven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 who is Raven? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showuser=1083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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