Ukraine Conflict - Beware lest in your anxiety to avoid war you obtain a master

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

33 minutes ago, majestic said:

I feel

feelz got no place in serious discussion *snort* *fart* 

7 minutes ago, Gorth said:

Look on the bright side. We have an Austrian and a Serb in the same thread and no weapons drawn over whether Franz Ferdinand had it coming. Maybe there is hope for humanity yet (given enough time)?

All monarchs and nobility have it coming.......uhhhh metaphorically speaking.

[Malcador]

Thought he died or something when I got a BBC alert, was just some generic propaganda speech

[majestic]

22 minutes ago, Gorth said:

Look on the bright side. We have an Austrian and a Serb in the same thread and no weapons drawn over whether Franz Ferdinand had it coming. Maybe there is hope for humanity yet (given enough time)?

I'm married to the daughter of a catholic Croatian woman and an orthodox ethnic Serb from Bosnia, I'm way ahead of the curve here.  

[pmp10]

16 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Thought he died or something when I got a BBC alert, was just some generic propaganda speech

I think that's the first official confirmation about training of Ukrainian pilots.
No one before seriously suggested that the plane of choice would be Eurofighter.
Looks like all those rumored secret training programs were bunk.

[Gfted1]

Wait, I thought fatties were just victims of their DNA and no amount of diet, nor exercise, can combat that?

[Sarex]

2 hours ago, majestic said:

Me, personally? Anything that was on the other side of the iron fence is Eastern Europe.  

Serbia in to West?

  

1 hour ago, majestic said:

I'm married to the daughter of a catholic Croatian woman and an orthodox ethnic Serb from Bosnia, I'm way ahead of the curve here.  

Uf, good luck with that.

 

Edited February 8, 2023 by Sarex

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

31 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Serbia in to West?

Yes. You see the world inside the giant ball of ice is constantly shifting. What was once south is now north, what was east is now west.

 

[Malcador]

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

Skeptical, but will be amusing to see what abuse Hersh cops from this

Edited February 8, 2023 by Malcador

[ShadySands]

Top Putin Ally Says He ‘Will Not Hide’ Intention to Invade Poland Anymore

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Ramzan Kadyrov, a key ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has begun rattling off threats about attacking Poland after Ukraine.

Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya, suggested Monday that Russia should “denazify and demilitarize” Poland next.

“What if, after the successful completion of the NMD, Russia begins to denazify and demilitarize the next country? After all, after Ukraine, Poland is on the map! I will not hide that I personally have such an intention,” Kadyrov said on Telegram. “I personally have such an intention, and I have repeatedly stated that the fight against Satanism should continue throughout Europe and, first of all, on the territory of Poland.”

LOL

[Malcador]

9 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

Top Putin Ally Says He ‘Will Not Hide’ Intention to Invade Poland Anymore

LOL

 

[Sarex]

He's been saying that for quite a while now...

[Bartimaeus]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

Skeptical, but will be amusing to see what abuse Hersh cops from this

From what I'm reading, Hersh used to be a well-respected reporter, but years of Osama bin Laden, 9/11, and JFK-truthing have kinda done his reputation in, and the story seems to hinge on a single anonymous source. Not that I'm saying he's necessarily lying or wrong here (objectively speaking, it sure seems like the U.S. had the most to gain from doing it!), just that...you know, skepticism is pretty warranted.

Edited February 8, 2023 by Bartimaeus

[HoonDing]

I'm sure they'll still snatch a stalemate from the jaws of Pyrrhic victory

[Mamoulian War]

20 hours ago, Chilloutman said:

wtf, but those are related topics - food and obesity. Mixing pro or against russia with people not wanting to get untested DNA altering vaccine 4 times a year are related how?

I have no clue how it is in Czech Republic, but In Slovakia, they are related by Republika, ĽSNS, Vlasť and Smer

[Zoraptor]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

Skeptical, but will be amusing to see what abuse Hersh cops from this

Far more interesting to see who, if anyone, covers it in the media, and how. Especially given their prevalence for repeating information from 'anonymous intelligence/ military insider' acritically, when they want what is being said to be true.

In terms of what Hersch says... there really isn't anything at all concrete. It probably was the US (or proxy) and always was due to who could do it and who benefited, and the scenario is plausible, but that's all.

4 hours ago, Sarex said:

Serbia in to West?

Balkans or South Europe. East <-- former eastern bloc for most.

Though that certainly isn't an absolute designation.

2 hours ago, ShadySands said:

Top Putin Ally Says He ‘Will Not Hide’ Intention to Invade Poland Anymore

LOL

Ramzan's a poor man's replacement for Zhiro when it comes to sabre rattling.

[Sarex]

3 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Balkans or South Europe. East <-- former eastern bloc for most.

Serbia is Siberia for most, but I was more poking fun at majestics statement. Factually we were neither, we were a third world country and the founders of that block.

[Gorth]

1 hour ago, Sarex said:

Serbia is Siberia for most, but I was more poking fun at majestics statement. Factually we were neither, we were a third world country and the founders of that block.

Growing up, Yugoslavia (i.e. Serbia and its friendly neighbours) and Romania were "The Eastern Bloc". Until they decided that the CCCP wasn't their friend and picked the third option so to speak. Not part of EU/NATO, not part WP (I should say affiliated with, as they were not technically WP countries iirc). Nationalism eventually put an end to Tito's Yugoslavia and... people got fed up with the Ceausescu family in Romania.

 

Edit: I remember when Nikolai and his missus got put up against the wall and executed by firing squad. Soooo many red ears in a lot of western countries, because they had all heaped medals and honours on him, because he was a light in the dark, a beacon of freedom standing up to the mighty oppressors in the CCCP. Of course, the guy praised with medals and honours was a worse tyrant and despot than Saddam Hussein.

[xzar_monty]

5 hours ago, Gorth said:

and... people got fed up with the Ceausescu family in Romania.

I used to have hopes of something analogous to this happening in Russia, but apparently not. The "apparently" has been reinforced by a number of Russian historians and writers who point out that this is just not how the Russians behave.

[pmp10]

SpaceX is limiting Ukrainian use of starlink.
Supposedly Ukraine found a way to utilize it in drones practically weaponizing it.

[Sarex]

7 hours ago, Gorth said:

Nationalism eventually put an end to Tito's Yugoslavia and...

Of course, since Tito killed any nationalism his enforcers found and some things beside it. To demonstrate how aggressive he was with this. Diana Budisavljevic should have been declared a saint for her efforts, but what happened instead is that Tito's enforcers came in to her office took all the files she had regarding the children rescued and more importantly the children who's parents she was still searching for and ordered her to stop any further efforts under the threat of imprisonment. She didn't even get a medal. Why? Because "Bratstvo i jedinstvo".  We should have killed Tito and let Slovenia and part of Croatia be swallowed up by Italy and just took the territory we occupied. Alas it was not meant to be. Hopefully we learned our lesson and the third time around we will not repeat it.

8 hours ago, Gorth said:

Growing up, Yugoslavia (i.e. Serbia and its friendly neighbours) and Romania were "The Eastern Bloc"

Yugoslavia was never a part of the Eastern Bloc, ie. under the control of the Soviet goverment. Maybe once it was liberated and the soviet troops were still in our territory, but not even then I think.

[Gorth]

38 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Yugoslavia was never a part of the Eastern Bloc, ie. under the control of the Soviet goverment. Maybe once it was liberated and the soviet troops were still in our territory, but not even then I think.

As said, I wasn't quite sure which, if any of the two were part of the WP. Maybe neither. But in the western mindset in the 70's it was regarded as commie/socialist territory and therefore only one step removed from eternal damnation

Edit: Don't get me started on Albania and Hoxha (the only true friend China ever had, to the point where Albanian was the only second language being taught in Chinese schools, making it one of the worlds most spoken languages, even if just as a second language)

[xzar_monty]

32 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Diana Budisavljevic should have been declared a saint for her efforts, but what happened instead is that Tito's enforcers came in to her office took all the files she had regarding the children rescued and more importantly the children who's parents she was still searching for and ordered her to stop any further efforts under the threat of imprisonment.

This reminds me of how there have occasionally been calls for people like her to sort of come forth and do something remarkable in Russia, in the anti-war sense.

If memory serves correctly, approximately 18 million people served Hitler's reich in Germany. And the total number of people like Oscar Schindler who went out of their way to save as many jews as possible is estimated to be about one hundred.

That's how rare people like this are. Unfortunately, people who are prepared to set up and enforce places like the Ustase camps or the Partizan Sporting Hall raping centre in Foca are much, much more common. Which sort of doesn't augur well.

[Sarex]

Wow, you are actually a Bruce alt account...

[BruceVC]

12 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Wow, you are actually a Bruce alt account...

You onto me Sarex, insightful as usual 

[Lexx]

The internet is arguing that russias new offensive has now started. But it's kinda failing.

Also apparently the first confirmed Terminator-kill:

https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1623620579646402562

Edited February 9, 2023 by Lexx