The All Things Political Topic - Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation

[HoonDing]

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[Malcador]

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/30/stephen-miller-ads-biden-racism-white-americans-00064148

A recording of the ad, obtained by POLITICO, represents one of the most openly race-based spots of the cycle, amplifying tropes that have historically been used to generate backlash to minority groups.

 

“When did racism against white people become OK?” the ad begins. “Joe Biden put white people last in line for Covid relief funds. Kamala Harris said disaster aid should go to non-white citizens first. Liberal politicians block access to medicine based on skin color. Progressive corporations, airlines, universities all openly discriminate against white Americans. Racism is always wrong. The left’s anti-white bigotry must stop. We are all entitled to equal treatment under the law.”

 

[Gfted1]

I think you whipper snappers call that punching up. Unfortunate that its still required in this day and age.

[Gromnir]

57 minutes ago, Malcador said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/30/stephen-miller-ads-biden-racism-white-americans-00064148

 

 

am thinking is all too easy to focus on symptoms as 'posed to causes. the ad is predictable misleading and vile, but the bigger issue is the recognition ads such as these, which for decades woulda' instant drawn condemnation from the leadership o' both political parties, resonate with a large % of white american voters, and hershel walker. most people is gonna condemn such ads, but the white republicans who know better are complicit 'cause they need the base if they is gonna regain control o' Congress and eventual the Presidency. 

since Gromnir were a wee lad, stephen miller's channeling o' calvin coolidge's ghost and the attendant nativism o' the early 20th century woulda' resulted in outrage from almost everybody willing to speak public on such matters. yeah, david duke and the like would nod appreciative at the blatant racism, but nobody worth mentioning wanted to be publicly associated with white supremacists, anti-semites and the like. nevertheless in 2022, oathkeepers and proud boys is fixtures at gop events, and their presence in numbers on january 6 and at charlottesville as well as similar loci o' infamy is hardly deserving a mention as such has become commonplace. 

am knowing some o' the liberals on the board see little difference 'tween robed klansmen and ordinary heartland americans who vote republican. unfair. the thing is it ain't near as unfair as it were twenty or even fifteen years past. working class americans angry 'bout the fact their manufacturing jobs were disappearing and that even if they had a job it were getting tougher every year to make ends meet, were increasing susceptible to the venom and snake oil being peddled by the likes o' rush limbaugh and steve bannon.  ok, but why and how do we fix the problem? being outraged at limbaugh is swell and all, but he is dead and while bannon and miller is alive, internet vitriol directed at those folks only cement the faith o' the radicalized white voters who see lib condemnation as proof o' the righteousness o' their ill-defined cause.

a large % o' white and working class americans voted for obama. that don't mean those voters were free o' the taint o' racism, but it did mean that their racism were less significant than their desire for change and they did indeed embrace a positive message o' hope: yes we can.  am mentioning 'cause in a relative brief period o' time, a large % o' white voters were radicalized to the point they see democrats as more o' a threat than white supremacists, anti-semites and politicians active bent on overthrowing american democracy. serious?

the advert is repugnant, but am thinking is far more important to focus on why so many salt-o'-the-earth, evangelical and white voters turned to the dark side. gonna need to look for ways to deprogram the willful embrace o' hate by the multitude and somehow convince 'em what should be oblivious-- that reflexive compare january 6 to the blm summer protests o' 2020 and/or vote for kari lake and herschel walker is something they never woulda' considered fifteen years past and is obvious wrongs. medicine dan and the like didn't wake up one morning realizing that democrats and joe bidden o' all people represented an existential crisis. is no way they thought it were okie doke to embrace proud boys, oath keepers and stephen freaking miller as brothers at arms, fighting the good fight to save america.

identify stephen miller and his message as being bad is ez and is not particular constructive. the hard part is understanding how things became broken and to come up with practical solutions to fix what is broken.

admission: we don't have solutions other than education. 'course the problem is education takes a long arse time to provide results and even so, the current gop is focused on undermining any kinda education which might fix the problems.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Lexx]

Looks like the situation in Iran gets pretty hot. There's still big protests, thousands of people are on the street, pro-regime police is being attacked, some got killed, weapons stolen, police stations apparently blown up, etc.

Bolton is probably really hard right now.

[Sarex]

A video came out that is showing a British solider launching a drone from Gazivode in to Serbia. Probably the one that was shot down 2 days ago.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Sarex

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Lexx said:

Bolton is probably really hard right now.

US does need to burn cash on another adventure.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-vows-free-iran-west-coast-campaign-speech-2022-11-04/

"Don't worry, we're gonna free Iran. They’re gonna free themselves pretty soon," Biden said during a wide-ranging campaign speech in California, as dozens of demonstrators gathered outside holding banners supporting Iranian protesters."

Edited November 4, 2022 by Malcador

[Azdeus]

So we relatively recently had an election here in Sweden, and I did expect the new government to be quite **** to be honest. But they've managed to exceed my most pessimistic expectations, I expected **** creek, but got a Niagara falls level of bull**** coming. They've hit a new high today with our climate minister - without a climate department, because the new government axed it - announced that we are going to lower the biofuel mixing of our petrol and diesel, which means that we increase our co2 emissions with about 5 million tonnes per year, putting us on track to miss our climate targets for 2030. Besides us increasing our co2 emissions it also manages to **** over the petrol companies here that has built up an industry that was expecting us to actually increase the amount of bio fuels, so even the petrol companies are complaining about it, putting oneself in the bizarro land of eco-scientists and the petrol companies agreeing with eachother. What's their solution? Well, the nitwit of a climate minister wants to spend 600 million SEK on greenwashing tech/woo-woo tech called Carbon Capture and Storage. Link, the article is in Swedish I'm afraid.

[Raithe]

 

 

 

 

[Malcador]

The Wokerati struck again, poor Musk.

[Gfted1]

Elon Musk fires Twitter employees worldwide – POLITICO

4000 fired so far.

 

[Lexx]

What's so great about 5th Element is that if Zorg wouldn't have fired all those people, Bruce Willis wouldn't have lost his job and likely wouldn't have went to that big adventure where he ruins all of Zorg's plans. Yet Bruce Willis and Zorg never even meet / are probably completely unaware of each other.

/Edit: lol

Edited November 4, 2022 by Lexx

[Pidesco]

 

On 11/3/2022 at 10:40 PM, Gromnir said:

 

the advert is repugnant, but am thinking is far more important to focus on why so many salt-o'-the-earth, evangelical and white voters turned to the dark side. 

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Pidesco said:

vid

gonna respond serious. 

if they were morons, then they had always been morons. they didn't become morons 'cause o' limbaugh and bannon. 

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japanese internment in ww2 was a politically popular move by fdr.

the patriot act were passed post 9/11.

ww1 sedition acts?

the great depression led to embrace o' calvin coolidge's nativism.

scared and angry americans has been all too quick to abandon core values--we were always worried 'bout future wars, attacks and major economic upheavals as precipitating events which would lead to the willful diminution o' american democratic values and Constitutional rights. even so, while Gromnir were frequent pointing out how income disparity and the inevitable disappearance o' manufacturing jobs were leading to radicalization o' the morons identified in the vid, we were naïve or perhaps even moronic 'cause we also didn't see 2015/2016 as analogous to the aforementioned post civil war american crises. we were envisioning a future problem. 

the notion a not particular popular populist such as trump could lead american morons to willful undermine democracy in 2016 were something we warned against as soon as 45 announced his proposed muslim ban to a cheering audience, but perhaps 'cause trump were so obvious one o' the morons in many respects, we didn't realize the scope o' the problem. more fool us. just another moron.

HA! Good Fun!

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Gromnir

[ShadySands]

Homeland Security Admits It Tried to Manufacture Fake Terrorists for Trump

A new Homeland Security report details orders to connect protesters arrested in Portland to one another in service of the Trump's imaginary antifa plot.
 

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The DHS report offers a full accounting of the intelligence activities happening behind the scenes of officers’ protest containment; “twisted efforts,” Wyden said, of Trump administration officials promoting “baseless conspiracy theories” to manufacture of a domestic terrorist threat for the president’s “political gain.” The report describes the dossiers generated by DHS as having detailed the past whereabouts and the “friends and followers of the subjects, as well as their interests” — up to and including “First Amendment speech activity.” Intelligence analysts had internally raised concerns about the decision to accuse anyone caught in the streets by default of being an “anarchist extremist” specifically because “sufficient facts” were never found “to support such a characterization.”

 

[Lexx]

Oh no, almost sounds as if the "extremist left" doesn't really exist. On the other hand, we have plenty reports of right wingers murdering folks who don't fit their ideals.

[Malcador]

That just proves Antifa is everywhere.

[Gorth]

7 hours ago, ShadySands said:

Homeland Security Admits It Tried to Manufacture Fake Terrorists for Trump

A new Homeland Security report details orders to connect protesters arrested in Portland to one another in service of the Trump's imaginary antifa plot.
 

 

There are some people (I'll not mention names) you wouldn't even need to pay to jump to the conclusion that the protests in Portland were organized by some world spanning antifa plot

[BruceVC]

44 minutes ago, Gorth said:

There are some people (I'll not mention names) you wouldn't even need to pay to jump to the conclusion that the protests in Portland were organized by some world spanning antifa plot

I am  not  sure what you think the general criticism  towards the unacceptable  Portland protests was about? As usual there was culture wars  hyperbole from both sides. My view is based on what happened and its not a conspiracy theory

Protests went on for 3 months unabated in a Democrat controlled city, as usual the Dems lacked action or consequence for protests like this related to BLM

Some protestors attacked and vandalized federal buildings, this is a crime  irrespective whether people like that or not which is why the federal security were deployed. But the main reason for this deployment was due to the failure of the Dems to address the anarchy and disruptions. 

https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/protesters-burn-government-building-during-riot-in-portland/

https://www.newsweek.com/portland-protesters-damage-cost-federal-buildings-1566821

 

Antifa is a left wing extremist group that  openly says "violence is justified due to xxx " so it espouses criminal conduct  but its based in the US. Its not global and its separate to global BLM movements which are normally legitimate and legal 

[Lexx]

49 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Antifa is a left wing extremist group that  openly says "violence is justified due to xxx " so it espouses criminal conduct  but its based in the US. Its not global and its separate to global BLM movements which are normally legitimate and legal 

"Antifa" is not a group like that. It's not a group at all. Everyone can be "antifa" even you. Hell, everyone should be an anti-fascist.

The police in germany tried for years to tie some bs to "antifa" but it just doesn't work... because it doesn't exist. It's not an organization like, say, the Proud Boys, or the KKK. You can't infiltrate it with secret police and guide them to do crime so you can arrest them all... because there is no group dynamic like that.

In the end, the statistics didn't change... left wing extremist terror is burning cars, right wing extremist terror is murdering people.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Lexx

[BruceVC]

30 minutes ago, Lexx said:

"Antifa" is not a group like that. It's not a group at all. Everyone can be "antifa" even you. Hell, everyone should be an anti-fascist.

The police in germany tried for years to tie some bs to "antifa" but it just doesn't work... because it doesn't exist. It's not an organization like, say, the Proud Boys, or the KKK. You can't infiltrate it with secret police and guide them to do crime so you can arrest them all... because there is no group dynamic like that.

In the end, the statistics didn't change... left wing extremist terror is burning cars, right wing extremist terror is murdering people.

But neither is BLM, it has no recognised leadership or hierarchy. But BLM has a  message and many people  support them in different ways

You dont need an official " group " to create something that people can ideologically align with and protest in that " groups " name.

But having a structured leadership is irrelevant when you protest, most US protests are generally peaceful and even in the violent and disruptive Portland protests not all the protestors were  involved in the criminality.  But if  you break the law in a protest  you should be prosecuted, thats how you end violence in any protest

No one gets arrested just saying they part of Antifa, they get arrested for breaking the law. But they still claim to be part of Antifa

Edited November 6, 2022 by BruceVC

[Raithe]

 

[Lexx]

This is awesome for spammers and people like those princes from nigeria.

[Gfted1]

Whatever happened to all those squatters that were everywhere? Did they win, is everything occupied? Were they Antifa?

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

Whatever happened to all those squatters that were everywhere? Did they win, is everything occupied? Were they Antifa?

Antifa is normally different people to illegal immigrants because most  illegal immigrants wouldn't  draw that  kind of attention to themselves, they dont want to be arrested in a protest for violence