Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous, Part 4

[Gromnir]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1184370/view/3400797688635109882

august 11 is new dlc release.

september 29 is console and enhanced edition release date.

HA! Good Fun!

[InsaneCommander]

So when I am finally gonna play the game they announce an Enhanced Edition. Should I wait to start it after that is released? For now I decided to play the Through the Ashes DLC. I already know the two spoilers for the main story so I'm ok with that.

I can't decide if I'll go as a Court Poet or Cleric in the main campaign, but for the DLC I chose Martyr.

Spoiler

Damn the swarms! I found only one torch so far, but at least there is plenty of healing potion/scrolls.

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

On 7/26/2022 at 3:15 PM, InsaneCommander said:

So when I am finally gonna play the game they announce an Enhanced Edition. Should I wait to start it after that is released? For now I decided to play the Through the Ashes DLC. I already know the two spoilers for the main story so I'm ok with that.

I can't decide if I'll go as a Court Poet or Cleric in the main campaign, but for the DLC I chose Martyr.

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Damn the swarms! I found only one torch so far, but at least there is plenty of healing potion/scrolls.

 

When does the EE drop? If it's soon I'd wait if only because the upgrade to the EE has a not-insignificant chance to break your game mid way. I haven't played in months but it was relatively stable with TT and some other mods back then, though performance would just crater in the mid to late game.

I can't remember how Court Poet worked in WotR, but I think it is different from the PnP version. Clerics are solid even without the silly Angel merge and with impossible domain are one of the best classes at stacking bonuses, which you will need to break through the stat blocks on higher difficulties (iirc, none of the default clerics have access to Nobility and Community domains, so you will have to take it to get those abilities).

[Sarex]

I am waiting on the EE, or maybe even the final edition, depending on how many bugs are still in.

[InsaneCommander]

5 hours ago, KP wants Blue Velvet said:

When does the EE drop? If it's soon I'd wait if only because the upgrade to the EE has a not-insignificant chance to break your game mid way. I haven't played in months but it was relatively stable with TT and some other mods back then, though performance would just crater in the mid to late game.

I can't remember how Court Poet worked in WotR, but I think it is different from the PnP version. Clerics are solid even without the silly Angel merge and with impossible domain are one of the best classes at stacking bonuses, which you will need to break through the stat blocks on higher difficulties (iirc, none of the default clerics have access to Nobility and Community domains, so you will have to take it to get those abilities).

I think it will be released in September.

Can I disable updates on GOG? By that I mean, will it work? I recall a case on Steam that it made no difference. Not sure what game it was now.

I have no idea of how Court Poet works in PnP. But anyway, I decided to go with cleric since then I'll have an extra tank.

 

Through the Ashes

I'm about to finish the second area. I'm playing on normal to get familiar with the system again. I'll replay it on a higher difficulty later.

Spoiler

The reinforcements were really useful. I went with the guy's suggestions instead of creating my own. Just bought an armor and a shield for the fighter. I expect this will be insanely helpful.

 

[Hawke64]

19 minutes ago, InsaneCommander said:

I think it will be released in September.

Can I disable updates on GOG? By that I mean, will it work? I recall a case on Steam that it made no difference. Not sure what game it was now.

GOG Galaxy is not required to run the game. I think it does not force updates, unlike Steam, but I haven't tried to launch WotR via GOG Galaxy, just downloaded the game from the website and blocked it with the firewall.
Would suggest to keep the installation files just in case. Not sure from what point, but now gog.com offers only the latest versions of games to download, so switching between versions is possible only via the app.

[uuuhhii]

the enhance edition of kingmaker are just a big bug fix patch that still make pc boom like heavy construction equipment

just hope owlcat didn't add too much new bug this time

[bugarup]

12 hours ago, InsaneCommander said:

Can I disable updates on GOG? By that I mean, will it work? I recall a case on Steam that it made no difference. Not sure what game it was now.

Through Galaxy, yep, I'm still on the wayyyy old patch before the spellbook merge "fix". Not sure how's it with executables.

Speaking of Extended Bugfixion, I doubt I'll play it if nobody picks up Combat Relief mod, because its modder just quit. 'sfunny how I mod my other games to expand the experience, and Pathfinders just to not ragequit. 

 

Edited July 29, 2022 by bugarup

[bugarup]

Just now, bugarup said:

Quote is not edit, stupid bugarup. 

 

Edited July 29, 2022 by bugarup

[Gromnir]

Update 1.4.0d BETA

is more than a few significant changes. however, am not gonna help test this release-- will wait for the enhanced edition and the post release plague o' bugs which follows.

...

might take a quick peek at the dlc scheduled for august 11, but for now am anticipating no new wotr gameplay for us 'til september 29... or maybe a week or so post september 29 as past experience suggests the initial enhanced edition release will be rough. 

HA! Good Fun! 

[InsaneCommander]

Through the Ashes

It got a lot easier once I properly equipped my characters, especially the tank. In the last map I eventually stopped using potions and scrolls. And I fought against everyone I could find. I did play on normal, though.

I would try it again with a different approach and on a harder difficulty, but I decided to start the main campaign. I'm gonna play as a metal oread cleric of Iomedae. I disabled GOG updates and I have the installer for the current version on backup, so the EE shouldn't be a problem.

Edit: I was trying to avoid resting, not sure what the consequences were. Also, I ended with a significant amount of money. I could probably have bought better items and plenty of healing potions.

Edited August 1, 2022 by InsaneCommander

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

1 minute ago, InsaneCommander said:

I'm gonna play as a metal oread cleric of Iomedae

I don't think Ms. NO FUN ALLOWED would approve of metal.

[Gromnir]

begs the question: will the enhanced edition release also be delayed? regardless o' answer, am likely gonna wait 'til a week or so post enhanced edition to try more wotr.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[InsaneCommander]

Decided to play a little as a court poet. I feel like this character would be better for my first playthrough since she is chaotic and I wouldn't mind making any bad choices. My cleric, on the other hand, is a heroic crusader type and it might be better to play as him later, when I know how to get a happier ending. This probably doesn't make much sense...

Anyway, a court poet main character would be great if the companions could benefit as much as possible from the increased charisma and intelligence from Insightful Contemplation, so I decided to do some tests. I tried multiclassing Seelah with a level of Scaled Fist and also with Oracle, choosing Nature's Whispers. In both cases she gets an AC bonus for charisma... however, only if she is not wearing any armor. She can't carry a shield either. I'm sure I saw this build somewhere. Oh yes, here. Apparently you can even stack the bonuses from Monk and Oracle. But then you give her bracers of armor and a mythical feat. They are discussing it in the comments, but it doesn't seem better than her wearing an armor.

Maybe Lann can benefit from a level in Oracle, since he is not wearing an armor and will stay away from the frontline? But then he doesn't really need better AC that much?

I like the Court Poet for roleplay reasons, but it seems Insightful Contemplation is mostly for helping with the DC of the party's spells. I don't know much about the companions (I only googled information on the ones I saw in the very early game and the ones I remember seeing when they talked about romanceable characters), but I checked Ember and Sosiel and it seems Ember, at least, has charisma as her casting ability. I also know that there is a wizard companion. That is probably another one I could have for this party. I don't need anything extraordinary for Insightful Contemplation, so this is probably good enough for me.

Edit: Lann has good wisdom, not charisma, and he already has the ac bonus.

Edited August 5, 2022 by InsaneCommander

[majestic]

The reason why many guides suggest alternative armor scaling is because the longer the game goes on, the higher the charisma bonuses you can stack are, but armors have a cap on being useful. Maybe not in the beginning, but double dipping the CHA to AC bonus will eventually pay off more than wearing any armor, espescially when you pick Archmage Armour as one of your mythic feats. Crafted Mage Armor potions are great (bought ones work too, of course), and drinking a potion proccs AA.

There just isn't any armor in the game that beats the combination. That's not to say that there aren't useful armors in the game, just not as defense mechanism. When characters wear armor, that's usually for some other gain, like the Hide Armor of Elemental Carnage.

[InsaneCommander]

So I can do more tests later, when it becomes an advantage. Except maybe for my court poet, who already has 20 CHA. Although she already took a thug level for frightening, so I think I'll wait a few levels. Not sure how many enemies will be vulnerable to dazzling display in this game, but I'll take it anyway. Demoralize did work on the water elemental, at least.

[ShadySands]

I was goofing off and made a Trickster going all into CHA and persuasion and getting the Trickster Persuasion 3 feat. It's hilarious watching almost everybody either freeze or kill themselves when they attack me.

[Agiel]

As mentioned before, for extra giggles load up on Polar Rays on your blaster of choice (or equip a spontaneous caster with the Ring of Boreal Might) and you can one-shot those paralyzed mobs. A not insignificant number of high-level mobs like Balors and Vavakias had gone down with this method in my playthrough.

[ShadySands]

Stayed up all night and beat Through the Ashes. I liked it, much harder than the base game but that's also probably way easier to do with only about 5 or 6 levels and a very linear gameplay.

[InsaneCommander]

Not sure if this is a bug, but I spent the night at the inn and
 

Spoiler

now there are demon bodies all over the room and no one wants to comment on that. There is also a decapitated head in the party stash.

Ember has moved to the kitchen, which is kind of suspicious. It doesn't help that I still can't decide whether she is a really nice person or if she is actually trolling everyone pretending to be that. Still, the more likely culprit seems to be Daeran, who got some strange ideas after talking with Lann. Maybe he couldn't find more mongrels and decided to sleep with demons?

If Hulrun came to visit I'd probably lose half of the companions, since he already stated his intentions of finishing what he started with Ember (over my character's dead body!) and if he heard half of what Nenio told me, she wouldn't last any longer.

Unless this has some consequences later, I will have to assume my character just closed the door and pretended it was all just another bad dream.

Btw, they did a terrible job hiding Nenio's true race. You can easily see her attribute's modifiers when leveling her up, the keen senses ability (that lists only one possible option for her since she is neither an elf nor a dwarf for example) and they even mention that she is equiping "bite" or something like that. It sure looks like a Kitsune, at least if you have just created a Kitsune in character creation on the day before, like I did.

Edit:

Spoiler

I left the tavern but had to go back inside to drop the severed head in the chest. The bodies disappeared and the only person who moved is Ember.

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by InsaneCommander

[MrBrown]

12 hours ago, InsaneCommander said:

Not sure if this is a bug, but I spent the night at the inn and

It's not. It gets mentioned at some point later.

[Gorth]

This game seems to have excited enough people for long enough to make me curious about it…

I’ll have to check it out more when I get home again (currently travelling interstate)

 

Edit; what can I say? Missed the smell of kerosene and the queues at airport security

 

[uuuhhii]

9 hours ago, Gorth said:

This game seems to have excited enough people for long enough to make me curious about it…

I’ll have to check it out more when I get home again (currently travelling interstate)

 

Edit; what can I say? Missed the smell of kerosene and the queues at airport security

 

highly unrecommended without previous knowledge of dnd 3.5

even lowest difficulty is painful

[MrBrown]

Managed to finish the game. Was quite fun, though you still have to be a good D&D optimizer to play even on normal difficulty. And I swear some enemies have bugged DCs on their abilities...

Played as a Trickster. Was quite fun, a bunch of fun stuff to do. Took the special Trickster ending.

I'll probably replay the game as some other path, at some point. Maybe Lich, or a goody two-shoes Angel.

[Gorth]

So... I put Tyranny on hold for a bit (The Scarlett Chorus can wait a few weeks). Started up a game of Pathfinder. I didn't want one of the pre-created characters, so looked long and hard at the classes to select from. In the end, I figured simplicity might be good for a start. I can always go back and start a new game with a different character after all. Went for "Gorth the Barbarian" with a bit of stealth and other potentially useful thievery skills. Very much based on Conan the Barbarian as he's portrayed in the 80's movie (sans the great music). Nothing like sneaking up on your enemies and backstab them with your greatsword!!!

Did the intro town and getting towards what I think is the end of the first underground map (the tunnels). Met the tieflings, read all the basic game tutorials etc. Swearing and cursing at the Options screen because it completely ignores my choice of keys for rotating camera left and right (I wanted to swap Q and E, because the default reversing of the X axis is just too confusing to me). But, despite swapping the the keys in the keybinding options, Q is still right and E left

Other than that, lots of fun so far (which is like less than 30 minutes in).

 

Edit: The movie version of Conan was sort of a Barbarian/Thief multiclass, but that might be an option in this game (I don't know yet)