Elerond Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, kanisatha said: Well if they are serious, (1) they should NOT be public about it and submit their request in secret, and (2) their bid should be approved in a hyper-expedited manner. Joining to Nato needs to change to Finland's constitution so it can't be done in secret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 This is all you need to watch... That poor mother. 1 1 There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Darkpriest said: Overall, the Russian military is performing extremely poorly: they still don’t have air superiority due to Ukraine moving its air defences around, and Russian missile strikes having only hit old, static targets. Russia’s attempts to rapidly seize Kyiv while minimising losses to Ukrainian civilians and its infrastructure are resulting in massive losses on their side. According to the Ukrainians, as of Sunday Kyiv claimed to have taken out: 540 IFVs, 16 airplanes, 18 helicopters, 102 tanks, 504 APCs, 1 Buk-1 system, 20 armoured cars, and 5,000 soldiers. The latter is a third of the total losses suffered in the entire Soviet-Afghan war (1979-89). Eh, do we really need to note how far off estimates of enemy casualties always are? Russia not having air superiority is almost unique in its level of optimism, which says a lot given the level of optimism about everything else. The correct term would be 'air supremacy', Russia definitely has air superiority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On a side-note... 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Katphood said: Man, talk about shooting yourself in the foot. I'd be anything but Putin right now. He is probably locked in his office right now, crying, drinking vodka and listening to Radiohead. More information is slowly coming out now about Putin's state of mind. Even some people in Russia who were/are close to Putin are now coming forward to talk about their concerns about Putin's mental state. They say he has been suffering from medically diagnosable conditions of delusion and paranoia for some months now. He literally lives in isolation in a bunker, and has stopped communicating even with people who used to be his highly trusted confidantes; that he used to actually ask for and listen to alternative pov's, but not anymore, and now just demands outcomes from subordinates no matter how unachievable; that he has sunk into an obsession with Ukraine, and believes some people are out to "get him" including to kill him. This is the stuff that worries me most, that as the war goes poorly, his economy in tatters, his image and reputation destroyed, the whole world rallying around people he has determined to be "nazis" and "criminals," he will suffer a complete mental breakdown even while having that finger on the nuclear button. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Sounds to me more like rich people trying to build a story to get out of this mess. : > I can't believe that Putin is supposed to be the sole owner of this idea. Usually it takes a few more people. Edited February 28, 2022 by Lexx "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lexx said: Sounds to me more like rich people trying to build a story to get out of this mess. : > I wish I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Wouldn't it be great for China and India if the West and Russia erased each other with nukes and they get to rule Africa and what's left of Eurasia. 1 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneCommander Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 How Putin made the EU great again 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 5 hours ago, BruceVC said: Radiohead is too Western for him but yes on the Vodka and hot Russian escorts He may surprise you. He's very religious, married (has some pretty daughters) and hates vodka, to the point that Russian vodka makers might be the first on the barricades protesting against Putin. So much misinformation floating around (doctored images, wrongly attributed video clips, you name it) https://www.bbc.com/news/60554910 From 2018 gas explosions to Ukrainian Palestinian girl telling Russian Israeli soldiers to go back to their own country.... lots of examples in the BBC piece. 1 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 57 minutes ago, HoonDing said: Wouldn't it be great for China and India if the West and Russia erased each other with nukes and they get to rule Africa and what's left of Eurasia. The thing about nuclear war is, there wont be a "what's left". This isn't a Fallout game. 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpriest Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I agree with long term consequences of weaponizing SWIFT. Not sure yet on the scope, but it will lead to the power of countires which are large holders of resources, labor and manufacturing. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/jamie-dimon-warns-swift-sanctions-may-bring-unintended-consequences-can-be-circumvented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I've been saying for years that there needs to be an age limit on politicians and world leaders. There is this weird idea that people just keep getting wiser as they age. My mother-in-law is 70 and can barely operate the television. She doesn't need access to the red button at her age. People retire in their 60's for good reason. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Gorth said: So much misinformation floating around (doctored images, wrongly attributed video clips, you name it) There's also the Gell-Mann amnesia effect to consider: "You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know." Edited March 1, 2022 by Bartimaeus 4 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 'Hey, what is the best way of traveling with a tank without getting ambushed?' 'Use the highway' ...a few moments later: 2 There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Gorth said: He may surprise you. He's very religious, married (has some pretty daughters) Putin is divorced as of... 2013. Weird divorce too, as iirc it was either signed or announced on live TV by both of them in something reminiscent of a Treaty signing ceremony, though I could be misremembering. (I thought it was quite funny that no one seemed sure how many daughters he had for absolute ages with some quite serious speculation the second one might not exist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Zoraptor said: Putin is divorced as of... 2013. Weird divorce too, as iirc it was either signed or announced on live TV by both of them in something reminiscent of a Treaty signing ceremony, though I could be misremembering. (I thought it was quite funny that no one seemed sure how many daughters he had for absolute ages with some quite serious speculation the second one might not exist) I think his marriage was "arranged" originally (a requirement for Soviet spies, to make them more resilient to honey traps iirc). He always went through a lot of trouble hiding his family from the public eye. Maybe he just need to get laid? “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 @Lexx Yeah, it ain't Putin alone but he sure does get all the credit. One thing that bothers me with this war though: the west and the EU get a very undeserved boost from Russias defeat. They created this mess in the first place...as always, like, for the nth f-ing time... 1 There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Gorth said: He may surprise you. He's very religious, married (has some pretty daughters) and hates vodka, to the point that Russian vodka makers might be the first on the barricades protesting against Putin. Thanks Gorthfuscious, you make me laugh sometimes Only you could find positive things to say about Putin when globally this is probably the most unpopular he has ever been in his life But I do appreciate the sentiment "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Lexx said: I can't believe that Putin is supposed to be the sole owner of this idea. There are plenty of examples of just this in history, and furthermore no one is saying it is all him alone. It is entirely possible some other crazy ultra-nationalists (the Sergei twins for example) happen to share is obsession with Ukraine. But the bottom line is that he leads a dictatorship, and by definition that means he answers to no one else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, HoonDing said: Wouldn't it be great for China and India if the West and Russia erased each other with nukes and they get to rule Africa and what's left of Eurasia. There is a story that when Mao went to Moscow for his first meeting with Stalin, he vigorously urged Stalin to start a fullscale nuclear war with the West, arguing that because the USSR and the PRC had so many more people than the West at least some of their people would survive whereas the West would be all dead, and in this way they could take over the world. Point is, a would-be hegemon using an ally to do the dirty work of destroying an opponent, in the process destroying themselves as well, is a time-tested strategy of ambitious great powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Hurlsnot said: I've been saying for years that there needs to be an age limit on politicians and world leaders. There is this weird idea that people just keep getting wiser as they age. My mother-in-law is 70 and can barely operate the television. She doesn't need access to the red button at her age. People retire in their 60's for good reason. Geez that is ageism 101 and Im very surprised. Hurlshot please dont be a bigot. Old people have a right to dignity the same as the rest of us What would your students think if they found out you pushing bigotry on the Internet ????? You not automatically useless at a certain age unless your mental faculties are not functioning correctly, no need for someone at 70 to not be an effective president "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, InsaneCommander said: How Putin made the EU great again The transformation of Germany is the most amazing. A week ago they remained adament that they would not cancel Nord Stream 2, would not agree to kick the Russians out of SWIFT, and would not lift their ban on supplying military aid to Ukraine under any circumstances. Now, not only have they resolutely turned around on every one of those issues, today the chancellor said in the Bundestag that Germany had made a big mistake cutting back its military to where it's at now and so he was going to raise German defense spending above 2% of GDP to rebuild German military strength. Truly amazing! Welcome back to the real world, and to the transatlantic alliance, Germany! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanisatha Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Katphood said: One thing that bothers me with this war though: the west and the EU get a very undeserved boost from Russias defeat. They created this mess in the first place...as always, like, for the nth f-ing time... Yup. All those Ukrainians dying are saving NATO's sorry ass. Ukraine is paying the ultimate price so that the West can relearn these lessons from history yet again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, kanisatha said: There are plenty of examples of just this in history, and furthermore no one is saying it is all him alone. It is entirely possible some other crazy ultra-nationalists (the Sergei twins for example) happen to share is obsession with Ukraine. But the bottom line is that he leads a dictatorship, and by definition that means he answers to no one else. Remember that some of our forum friends have always thought of Putin and Russia as an alternative to the current Western "hegemony " so the reality of how he is acting now is disappointing and shatters that narrative Now you may immediately ask " why would you want to replace governments that are Constitutional Democracies that have proven to offer historically overall the best quality of life compared to other systems of government " ? And I cant answer that and why people use to think Putin was such an great leader compared to Western leaders, I have never liked him and he has history of irrational and highly controversial behavior Western ideology is not perfect and neither are its leaders but compared to Putin they Mother Theresa 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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