Politics US Edition Volume II

[Gorth]

34 minutes ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/12/ohio-tea-party-leader-urges-trump-to-suspend-the-constitution-declare-martial-law-to-hold-new-vote.html

"Zawistowski said, "We wanted to express our concerns to the President, to the legislators, courts and Congress that We the People will NOT cede our exclusive Constitutional right to elect our Representatives to judges, lawyers, courts, Governors, Secretary’s of State, Congress, corrupt election officials and local politicians, the corrupt media - or Leftist threats of violence! It is OUR EXCLUSIVE RIGHT to elect our President and that sacred right has been infringed by the massive, planned, illegal election fraud conducted by corrupt Democrat/Socialist Party operatives across our nation to steal our vote. We will NOT stand for it."

 

Isn't it funny? They don't trust the Democrats to run a federal government, but a giant, well coordinated conspiracy what works with all the efficiency of a well oiled machinery involving more people than you can shake a stick at? Not a problem, they can organize that and do that during a single election period

[Raithe]

 

[Malcador]

Surprised Trump's not selling black red MAGA shirts his cultists can wear

[ComradeYellow]

I like how he says shooting people and violence is un-American which is strange considering the U.S. is statistically the most violent country on the planet.

Still a good take, though I fear it may be ultimately futile.

[Gfted1]

6 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:

I like how he says shooting people and violence is un-American which is strange considering the U.S. is statistically the most violent country on the planet.

Literally the first Google result for "most violent country in the world" proves otherwise.

Global Peace Index

[ComradeYellow]

2 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

Literally the first Google result for "most violent country in the world" proves otherwise.

Global Peace Index

*rollseyes* so Wikipedia says the U.S. ranks 128th in a list of 163 countries, behind China, Cuba, and Venezuela.

Way to not only reinforce your dumbassness but to also reinforce the underlying facet that the U.S. is a violent country, which is despicable for a nation that claims to be the bastion of freedom and opportunity.

Got any more retard filled snarky posts to share with us?

[Gfted1]

17 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:

*rollseyes* so Wikipedia says the U.S. ranks 128th in a list of 163 countries, behind China, Cuba, and Venezuela.

Way to not only reinforce your dumbassness but to also reinforce the underlying facet that the U.S. is a violent country, which is despicable for a nation that claims to be the bastion of freedom and opportunity.

Got any more retard filled snarky posts to share with us?

Facts are hard for you.

[Amentep]

The Wikipedia article is a distillation of older data (their current data puts the US at 121) from Vision of Humanity, a supposedly non-partisan site tracking data on peace and security worldwide.  I've not heard of them, so no clue on their reliability or validity in their data.

[213374U]

Yeah, if we could not "reinforce dumbassness" or anything along those lines, that would be great. Be not **** to each other and all that, m'kay?

[Malcador]

Americans do love their violence though.  Best hide the boobs though.

[Gfted1]

^I wonder why that is? Somethingsomething religion?

[ShadySands]

Probably because we like boobs too but we're ashamed for some reason like it's a bad thing

[Gorth]

Apparently the Chinese made a miscalculation somewhere and started refocusing their efforts. Xi's being busy...

 

"In Wednesday's virtual discussion at the Aspen Institute think tank, Mr Evanina, chief of the Director of National Intelligence's counter-intelligence branch, said the Chinese had been attempting to meddle in the US efforts to develop a coronavirus vaccine and recent American elections.

He continued: "We've also seen an uptick, which was planned and we predicted, that China would now re-vector their influence campaigns to the new [Biden] administration."

...

"He told the discussion that after the FBI conducted dozens of interviews with other individuals, "more than 1,000 PLA-affiliated Chinese researchers left the country".

Mr Demers said "only the Chinese have the resources and ability and will" to conduct such alleged political and economic espionage and "other malign activity".

He told the discussion these researchers were in addition to a group to 1,000 Chinese students and researchers whose visas were revoked by the US back in September."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55168633

[Raithe]

AP News - Trump Aide banned from Justice after trying to get case info

The official serving as President Donald Trump’s eyes and ears at the Justice Department has been banned from the building after trying to pressure staffers to give up sensitive information about election fraud and other matters she could relay to the White House, three people familiar with the matter tell The Associated Press.

Heidi Stirrup, an ally of top Trump adviser Stephen Miller, was quietly installed at the Justice Department as a White House liaison a few months ago. She was told within the last two weeks to vacate the building after top Justice officials learned of her efforts to collect insider information about ongoing cases and the department’s work on election fraud, the people said.

[Raithe]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/chris-krebs-lawsuit/index.html?

Chris Krebs, the former top administration official for cybersecurity, whom President Donald Trump fired after the election, is suing the Trump campaign and a lawyer working with the campaign to overturn the results of the election, accusing them of defamation

[Gromnir]

we would try and explain the current disposition o' trump campaign and kraken lawsuits. but am not sure where to start or finish.

is a wisconsin trump lawsuit which names biden and harris as defendants as if either has any capacity to change ballots in wisconsin.

texas, in a bid to get direct to scotus, has named a handful o' other states as defendants. is creative, but wholly w/o merit. the texas state solicitor who is responsible for arguing before scotus is noticeable absent from the texas complaint.

were a few wacky kraken lawsuits where expert witnesses were anonymous and did not make selves available to respond to the court... which is decided not how expert testimony works. these ain't intelligence assets having their identity kept secret to protect national security. kraken cases keep being dismissed for failure to show proof o' fraud. more fundamental, the kraken claims almost universal fail to show proper standing and the courts furthermore observe how the redress being sought is... insane-- disenfranchisement o' millions o' voters 'cause o' either minor clerical quibbles or unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.  

the pennsylvania fed case which were shot down by the appellate court last week has yet to be filed with scotus, which severe undermines the suggestion the real goal were to get scotus review. more curious, the weird pennsylvania supreme court case involving a gop state legislator who won his election bid and were nevertheless seeking redress from the court for his injury, has been appealed to scotus, although the case were decided complete on state law so is near nothing genuine reviewable by a fed court, so even if the gop legislator managed a favorable scotus decision, it wouldn't make any difference as the state issues would continue to preclude any sorta meaningful outcome.

oh, and jenna ellis, the other trump lawyer, has tested positive for covid 'ccording to multiple sources.

today is safe harbor day for electoral college, which in theory means all states should concluded legal challenges. 

UPDATE:

the scotus case we mentioned 'bove wherein a state representative o' pennsylvania submitted an application for injunctive relief is doa-- denied via a single-sentence ruling. 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited December 8, 2020 by Gromnir

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Gromnir said:

we would try and explain the current disposition o' trump campaign and kraken lawsuits. but am not sure where to start or finish.

is a wisconsin trump lawsuit which names biden and harris as defendants as if either has any capacity to change ballots in wisconsin.

texas, in a bid to get direct to scotus, has named a handful o' other states as defendants. is creative, but wholly w/o merit. the texas state solicitor who is responsible for arguing before scotus is noticeable absent from the texas complaint.

were a few wacky kraken lawsuits where expert witnesses were anonymous and did not make selves available to respond to the court... which is decided not how expert testimony works. these ain't intelligence assets having their identity kept secret to protect national security. kraken cases keep being dismissed for failure to show proof o' fraud. more fundamental, the kraken claims almost universal fail to show proper standing and the courts furthermore observe how the redress being sought is... insane-- disenfranchisement o' millions o' voters 'cause o' either minor clerical quibbles or unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.  

the pennsylvania fed case which were shot down by the appellate court last week has yet to be filed with scotus, which severe undermines the suggestion the real goal were to get scotus review. more curious, the weird pennsylvania supreme court case involving a gop state legislator who won his election bid and were nevertheless seeking redress from the court for his injury, has been appealed to scotus, although the case were decided complete on state law so is near nothing genuine reviewable by a fed court, so even if the gop legislator managed a favorable scotus decision, it wouldn't make any difference as the state issues would continue to preclude any sorta meaningful outcome.

oh, and jenna ellis, the other trump lawyer, has tested positive for covid 'ccording to multiple sources.

today is safe harbor day for electoral college, which in theory means all states should concluded legal challenges. 

UPDATE:

the scotus case we mentioned 'bove wherein a state representative o' pennsylvania submitted an application for injunctive relief is doa-- denied via a single-sentence ruling. 

HA! Good Fun!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/trump-and-the-gop-have-now-lost-50-post-election-lawsuits/?sh=547edb512960

 

Gromnir since the election the Trump campaign has lost 50 lawsuits....its a huge number and should be an embarrassment to his lawyers and people trying to find fault with the election results

Time to move on, it was an exciting and well supported 2020 election but Biden did win and everyone needs to accept this 

[Chairchucker]

You know what they always say, 51st time's the charm.

[Gorth]

I never get tired of watching Trump lose. Again and again and again and...

 

(beats putting a video on repeat, at least he keeps losing in slightly different ways this way)

[Raithe]

Well...

 

[Gromnir]

5 hours ago, Gorth said:

I never get tired of watching Trump lose. Again and again and again and...

 

(beats putting a video on repeat, at least he keeps losing in slightly different ways this way)

the terrible reality is trump is winning where it matters most: his pac bank account. these ridiculous lawsuits has resulted in millions o' dollars in legal fees, but trump campaign pac solicitations has garnered hundreds o' millions o' dollars in contributions. trump may even believe he were cheated, but am suspecting his primary goal at this point is more 'bout money than electoral college votes. given his reported enormous debt which comes due over the course o' the next couple years, as well as multiple pending criminal and civil legal fights, am tending to believe trump is more focused on what happens to citizen trump after january 20, 2021 as 'posed to the fantasies o' another four years in office. sure, remain President would be a bonus for trump and would keep him out of rikers, but hundreds o' millions o' dollars in post election contributions for a campaign which were in the red on november 3, 2020 is a kinda win.

is hard to believe, but is a no-lose scenario for trump. win in court means trump remains President, but win in court would mean an end to the court battles which is a money generating machine. converse, losing in court has the curious effect o' prolonging the money grab. remain President or continue to see mind boggling millions o' dollars funneled into the trump pac? where is the down side?

the legal losses is an enormous scam and is all perfect legal in part 'cause o' f'ing citizens united.  we would laugh at trump losses if not for fact his working class base is paying for this newest Presidential ponzi scheme, and those blue collar patriots don't even realize they is being scammed.

although we can't help but wonder if a few o' the sudden taciturn obsidian board trump supporters contributed to the myriad legal defense efforts o' the President... such would indeed be good for a laugh. at this point am doubting the board trumpers would admit if they had made such contributions, but you never know. have been shocked more than once by the stuff the trump faithful is willing to admit to and am even more puzzled by the perverse pride exhibited by the those who see their muslim ban grifter as the champion for the marginalized working class americans. surreal.

HA! Good Fun!

Edited December 9, 2020 by Gromnir

[Gorth]

@Gromnir , let us just enjoy the moment a little dammit

 

But I hear you. Let the Trump cultists donate their money if they want. Lawyers have to live too I guess

 

Made a donation to the Queensland Food Bank https://www.foodbank.org.au/?state=qld instead. The increasing wealth inequality is really making life harder and harder for an increasing number of families, struggling to provide food for their kids.

[Guard Dog]

1 hour ago, Gromnir said:

the terrible reality is trump is winning where it matters most: his pac bank account. these ridiculous lawsuits has resulted in millions o' dollars in legal fees, but trump campaign pac solicitations has garnered hundreds o' millions o' dollars in contributions. trump may even believe he were cheated, but am suspecting his primary goal at this point is more 'bout money than electoral college votes. given his reported enormous debt which comes due over the course o' the next couple years, as well as multiple pending criminal and civil legal fights, am tending to believe trump is more focused on what happens to citizen trump after january 20, 2021 as 'posed to the fantasies o' another four years in office. sure, remain President would be a bonus for trump and would keep him out of rikers, but hundreds o' millions o' dollars in post election contributions for a campaign which were in the red on november 3, 2020 is a kinda win.

is hard to believe, but is a no-lose scenario for trump. win in court means trump remains President, but win in court would mean an end to the court battles which is a money generating machine. converse, losing in court has the curious effect o' prolonging the money grab. remain President or continue to see mind boggling millions o' dollars funneled into the trump pac? where is the down side?

the legal losses is an enormous scam and is all perfect legal in part 'cause o' f'ing citizens united.  we would laugh at trump losses if not for fact his working class base is paying for this newest Presidential ponzi scheme, and those blue collar patriots don't even realize they is being scammed.

although we can't help but wonder if a few o' the sudden taciturn obsidian board trump supporters contributed to the myriad legal defense efforts o' the President... such would indeed be good for a laugh. at this point am doubting the board trumpers would admit if they had made such contributions, but you never know. have been shocked more than once by the stuff the trump faithful is willing to admit to and am even more puzzled by the perverse pride exhibited by the those who see their muslim ban grifter as the champion for the marginalized working class americans. surreal.

HA! Good Fun!

Which makes this story even worse... if possible... Arizona GOP asks followers if they're willing to die in effort to overturn election results

I'm sure this was just rhetorical. There is no politician, or whatever Trump is, whose political fortunes are worth the fight that has ensued since the election. And certainly none ever worth dying for. That fact that this insane, unreasoning fanaticism that we have witnessed in this election battle should come from Republicans, REPUBLICANS for God's sake, is just a shock to me. This was the party of McCain, Reagan, Goldwater, Roosevelt, Kissinger, Douglass, Lincoln, and Fremont. This was the party of dispassionate reasoning, fiscal responsibility, and restrained government. They are trying to get the court to overturn an election even they KNOW they lost. Even if it were successful who would even want to be in power under such a circumstance?  The utter illegitimacy of it would completely neuter them during the next two years. And the voting public would be so infuriated the 2022 Congressional and State elections would see a near extermination of GOP political power even in Red states. And you can bet a new Democrat Majority on Congress will see Trump dispatched ignobly with another impeachment. God knows he's given them cause.  

Sometimes you just want to grab these folks by the shoulders, shake vigorously, and ask "What the f--k is WRONG with you?"

[Gorth]

If you read the comments sections on a few Fox News "articles", you'll get an idea of at least something that is wrong. People are little better than illiterate and woefully uninformed by anything outside Fox News. They are scared and the Murdoch media is fanning the flames, using scare mongering that would make most sane people with access to more than one source of information cringe. But too many people just seems to be stuck in 1950's America seeing things crawling around in the shadows, the threat of communism dissolving their country from the inside like some insidious cancer. The next Democrat in the White House is bound to add the hammer and sickle to the stars and stripes, close their churches, take away their guns and force them to have free schools and healthcare and other things normally associated with the four horsemen of the apocalypse. McCarthyism is back, stronger than ever, 60+ years after it was supposed to be dead.

Of course, it isn't the only thing that is wrong and might not even be a cause, but a symptom that is noticeable even for a foreigner like me.

[Gfted1]

I personally cant wait for my socialist overlords to seize power! Were fixin' to print up another Trillion for "stimulus relief", but after that Ive got my fingers crossed for some sweet sweet UHC and UFE. Its going to save me a fortune right when I'll need it most.