Skarpen Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Volourn said: So.. the very people you claim to 'defend' because of bad words are saying clearly they are not offended by it. It is a job description. That's it. Isn't that a classic MO of various defenders of "putanamehere" population?
Azdeus Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, Volourn said: "For example in SA people , including domestic workers, often refer to themselves as " maids or servants " but I dont because domestic worker is just a better term to describe an important job " So.. the very people you claim to 'defend' because of bad words are saying clearly they are not offended by it. It is a job description. That's it. P.S. The Carlin video is exactly what I was getting at it. It could be worse, here in Sweden you get a taxbreak for hiring a maid. I mean... ****... 1 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
BruceVC Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Volourn said: "For example in SA people , including domestic workers, often refer to themselves as " maids or servants " but I dont because domestic worker is just a better term to describe an important job " So.. the very people you claim to 'defend' because of bad words are saying clearly they are not offended by it. It is a job description. That's it. P.S. The Carlin video is exactly what I was getting at it. So this is not about defending anyone and yes the majority of actual people who do this job dont fundamentally care because the work conditions and salary is much more important than what you and I want to call them But my real point is its not about them but what you and I personally decide to refer to them as, we are defined by our words in life in many areas so I always try to use the better framing of how we refer to things, domestic worker sounds much better than maid Ask yourself this, if you were doing housework as a permanent job how would you like people to describe your job title ? Edited May 27, 2020 by BruceVC 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Skarpen Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, BruceVC said: domestic worker sounds much better than maid How so? The word maid comes from the word maiden which isn't a bad word. And I don't think it was used as an insult, like ever. The bad connotation can only come from the things that this occupation involves which doesn't change with a new name as Volo pointed out. Funnily enough the term maid was coined because young girls from nobility and such often became maids for more powerful aristocracy members and it would be inapropriate to call them servants.
Elerond Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Volourn said: "For example in SA people , including domestic workers, often refer to themselves as " maids or servants " but I dont because domestic worker is just a better term to describe an important job " So.. the very people you claim to 'defend' because of bad words are saying clearly they are not offended by it. It is a job description. That's it. P.S. The Carlin video is exactly what I was getting at it. Obscure Job titles are good Like for example I call myself coder, but my job title is senior software architect, I still mainly code but my monthly salary is 10k € higher than those whose job title is coder EDIT: I mean which sound that they earn more money maid or senior domestic maintenance officer Edited May 27, 2020 by Elerond 1
Gfted1 Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 Holy moly you make a lot of money! "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Elerond Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: Holy moly you make a lot of money! "Only" ~7000€/month after taxes Edited May 27, 2020 by Elerond added humility quotation marks
Azdeus Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 49 minutes ago, Elerond said: Obscure Job titles are good Like for example I call myself coder, but my job title is senior software architect, I still mainly code but my monthly salary is 10k € higher than those whose job title is coder EDIT: I mean which sound that they earn more money maid or senior domestic maintenance officer I'm pretty sure that there are "maids" out there that make the buck you do, but I'm pretty certain their customers are worse... Heh, by March you've earned as much as I do in an entire year, and I have 6-7 different job-descriptions.. Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
Amentep Posted May 27, 2020 Author Posted May 27, 2020 On 5/25/2020 at 5:44 PM, rjshae said: The age based high risk group is 65 or older, so DOB around 1955. Meaning that when this ad campaign first started, that group was 17. The ads ran until 1984 (an unprecedented 12 years!) meaning its conceivable that those in their early 40s would remember the ad from their childhood. Heck, the child actor who played "Mikey" is himself only about 51 or so, so also outside the high risk category. I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Hurlshort Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 I remenber Mikey and I am 41. I figured it was an attempt to poke gen-x. Being part of gen-x, I just ignore it. 1
Volourn Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 "Isn't that a classic MO of various defenders of "putanamehere" population? " More than often. "But my real point is its not about them but what you and I personally decide to refer to them as, we are defined by our words in life in many areas so I always try to use the better framing of how we refer to things, domestic worker sounds much better than maid" No. No, it doesn't. It sounds ridiculous, insulting, and pathetic. "Ask yourself this, if you were doing housework as a permanent job how would you like people to describe your job title ?" I wouldn't give a ****. If I was a **** shoveler, I'd be fine being called a **** shoveler. lmao DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Amentep Posted May 27, 2020 Author Posted May 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hurlshot said: I remenber Mikey and I am 41. I figured it was an attempt to poke gen-x. Being part of gen-x, I just ignore it. Its pretty weak sauce if the attempt was to poke at Gen-X. But maybe there aren't enough people who remember Big Otis from Kellog's OKs or something for them to actually target the 55+ crowd? I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man
Malcador Posted May 27, 2020 Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) They should relaunch that, but with Lil' Jon on the cover https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/n7wb78/we-asked-canadian-anti-lockdown-protesters-what-their-deal-is Some of the anti-lockdown protestors on why they are doing so. Only a couple are out there - thinking this is slavery (somehow) or a plot to control population growth (cue NSF Leader at the top of the statue). Edited May 27, 2020 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
BruceVC Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 20 hours ago, Elerond said: Obscure Job titles are good Like for example I call myself coder, but my job title is senior software architect, I still mainly code but my monthly salary is 10k € higher than those whose job title is coder EDIT: I mean which sound that they earn more money maid or senior domestic maintenance officer Elerond !!! Why you being an elitist about your job title....dont you know people outside of IT dont really know or care about our various job descriptions as we all seen as " computer PC people " But on a serious note, I appreciate your point and I can understand your own view on this but in most IT companies your job title reflects your experience and job responsibility and of course your salary. I studied finance but ended up working in software primarily in the financial sector. Basically I am a software consultant but there are different titles in IT that do matter, so you will have ( for example ) software consultant senior software consultant product specialist I imagine your company is the same, a coder is the beginner in programming but then as you advance you will get to senior software architect. I cannot believe your job responsibilities are the same ? But I also understand there is nothing wrong with referring to yourself as a coder because you still are one "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
rjshae Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Hurlshot said: I remenber Mikey and I am 41. I figured it was an attempt to poke gen-x. Being part of gen-x, I just ignore it. No, it's just a bit of harmless humor. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
rjshae Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 Wouldn't rat cannibalism be a good thing? 5 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
Zoraptor Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 Rat cannabalism is really common. They'll eat their own young if they're a bit peckish and want a snack. You also tend to get 'rat home invasions' every autumn/ winter when it gets cold.
Malcador Posted May 28, 2020 Posted May 28, 2020 The Skaven hordes gather, it is the End Time. 3 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
HoonDing Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) so glad this hoax is finally over Edited May 30, 2020 by HoonDing The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Skazz Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 On 5/29/2020 at 12:00 AM, Malcador said: The Skaven hordes gather, it is the End Time. Eat all the man-things, yes-yes.
Raithe Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Raithe Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
213374U Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Disputed Hydroxychloroquine Study Brings Scrutiny to Surgisphere "Scientists have raised questions about the dataset published in The Lancet last week that triggered the suspension of clinical trials around the world—and about Surgisphere Corporation, the company behind the study." - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Zoraptor Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) At the moment scientists should be raising questions about any published study involving covid-19 since none of them will have been rigorously peer reviewed and most will be using non ideal to somewhat shonky methodology due to being rushed, not being independently selected datasets/ not being able to take all confounding factors into account. Having said that, they're certainly not the only study to have found higher mortality from HCQ, just the biggest and most recent. Edited May 31, 2020 by Zoraptor 2
213374U Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Right. I've read a few things floating around that happened to come not from published studies but preprints even. I think there's a risk that this recent tendency to expect from scientists definite and quick answers will damage trust on science -- even without help from dishonest "scientists". 1 - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
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