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Diablo 4 does not look half bad!  But then again, after blowing a mental fuse playing Grim Dawn constantly I'm not 100% sure I could really get into it or it's inevitable offshoots.


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2 hours ago, Keyrock said:

I was actually interested in Diablo 4 for a hot second... then I saw that there would be no offline mode. Interest level immediately plummeted to zero.

It certainly kills my favourite playstyle, permadeath. Lagspikes killing your hardcore characters gets old reaaally fast.

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44 minutes ago, Wormerine said:

https://www.pcgamer.com/diablo-4-offline-mode/

It does have old Diablo vibes. But: still always online, connected shared space. I am not Diablo player, but is that what Diablo fans want?

 

While I've never been a hardcore Diablo fan by any stretch, I would say a good percentage of Diablo fans (even ones who were disappointed with Diablo 3) also enjoy games like Borderlands so I guess it's one of those 50/50 type deals. 


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49 minutes ago, Wormerine said:

https://www.pcgamer.com/diablo-4-offline-mode/

It does have old Diablo vibes. But: still always online, connected shared space. I am not Diablo player, but is that what Diablo fans want?

This was the reason, why I skipped D3 as well, I did not care about the cartoon graphics, but always online killed it for me completely.

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No-offline won't deter me. I do recall that single-player lag TrueNeutral mentioned, which was a bit of a buzz kill when playing on launch. It got better, though I can see how it's to the detriment of permadeath runs.

Personally online is a huge part of Diablo's appeal even though I tend to associate the games as a single-player experience. I also associate replayability with the games, and that's always more fun with friends.

I started a fresh D3 run at a LAN-party once, when the venue closed and we had to leave, all of us in the run logged in online back at home and finished up Act 4 late into the night. It's one of my fondest memories. I also hadn't finished my single-player run yet, so I also got a totally fresh experience in that run.

Maybe they'll find a way that requires a connection, but doesn't use a server to propagate the world state forward, that would be the best compromise. But that's probably easier to crack than having to reverse engineer server side game logic.

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1 hour ago, Wormerine said:

 I am not Diablo player, but is that what Diablo fans want?

Not this one. 😡

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Ditto. I only played Diablo III on consoles because I wasn't forced to be online only. Skipped PC entirely.

Online only for Diablo iv on PC and consoles is confirmed, so that's that. I won't play it.

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11 hours ago, Wormerine said:

 But: still always online, connected shared space. I am not Diablo player, but is that what Diablo fans want?

 

I don't think most players care about it that much anymore, it seems to me that most people who are interested in stuff like Diablo play lots of online games anyway.

 

I can relate to the old crowd here not liking it though. 

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9 minutes ago, MrBrown said:

I don't think most players care about it that much anymore... 

The new players freak out if they are offline, or if they leave their phones at home. Some people actually resent and begrudge the lost hours away from their social media account—due to needing sleep; and of what postings they might miss until reading it later.  It's comically sad IMO.

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The video before it got deleted probably contained some phone screened gameplay of Cyberpunk 2077. I have seen only thumbnail before it was gone. It probably got hit by the copyright hammer.

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For me no offline mode is a 100% deal breaker because I drive a truck for a living. Sometimes I park for the night in an area where I get a weak connection or no connection at all. Any always online game becomes unplayable at that point and it's just 60 gigs or whatever of wasted space on my SSD.

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2 hours ago, Oner said:

Tell us your secret.

Was Cyberbunk 2077 footage taken from an Italian presentation 

Someone did download it though - https://mega.nz/#!lfwzFJxI!yia7ioXP6S3Hfx5uCJDFE0s_LJO2eLlmY3W2_2H1has

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5 hours ago, Malcador said:

Was Cyberbunk 2077 footage taken from an Italian presentation 

Someone did download it though - https://mega.nz/#!lfwzFJxI!yia7ioXP6S3Hfx5uCJDFE0s_LJO2eLlmY3W2_2H1has

already taken down :)


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7 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

already taken down :)

They probably should have uploaded it to Pornhub.


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Those are some big people,  reminds me strongly of Caesar 3 too

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, MrBrown said:

 

I don't think most players care about it that much anymore, it seems to me that most people who are interested in stuff like Diablo play lots of online games anyway.

This is exactly it.  The vast majority of gamers simply do not care about the online/offline argument.  Every hardcore Diablo fan I know, even those in their 30's and have been a fan since day 1,  also have tons of fun playing online co-op shooters.  It seems only on private internet forums, with a cast of a few dozen characters, will you see such vehement opposition xD.


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6 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:

This is exactly it.  The vast majority of gamers simply do not care about the online/offline argument.  Every hardcore Diablo fan I know, even those in their 30's and have been a fan since day 1,  also have tons of fun playing online co-op shooters.  It seems only on private internet forums, with a cast of a few dozen characters, will you see such vehement opposition xD.

Look at him, he is there for few days and he already calls us 'characters'

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3 hours ago, Malcador said:

Those are some big people,  reminds me strongly of Caesar 3 too

 

 

 

 

why again only grid based :(


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1 hour ago, Chilloutman said:

why again only grid based :(

Egypt was built with squares, duh. :p

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