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[4.1.2] Shadowing Beyond + Backstab bug

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Hello,

 

When I use Shadowing beyond + backstab + Flame of Devotion FoD (edit), there is no +100 % in the list of effects.

 

Not the case for smoke veil for the information.

 

"invisible" allow clearly this bonus if you are under 2 meters. (Target : ogre pirate = clearly under 2 meters)

 

Like you see : I have the bonus of assassinate but not the backstab bonus (and it is clearly the same trigger = stealth or invisible)

 

So, I think it is a bug.

 

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Edited by theBalthazar

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Weird - worked totally fine last time I used it with an Assassin.


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I created again a Bleak walker + Assassin in a different game. Same result.

 

No trace of backstab.

 

Save for tests :

https://ufile.io/cldq9

 

Protocol :

1) Shadowing beyond.

2) Use FoD on the ogre pirate.

 

Normally no +100 % damage of the backstab.

I have tried with other abilities than FoD, the bonus is HERE and WORKS ... So my conclusion :

 

I think there is a problem with Flame of Devotion + Shadowing beyond + Backstab. I don't know why.

 

FoD + Natural Stealth = BACKSTAB

FoD + Smoke Veil = BACKSTAB

FoD + Shadowing beyond = NOTHING

 

Confounding Blind + Natural Stealth = BACKSTAB

Confounding Blind + Smoke Veil = BACKSTAB

Confounding Blind + Shadowing beyond = BACKSTAB
 
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Nice testing. I wonder what causes this...


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it's extremely weird that assassinate applies but not backstab. invisibility is weird and can reveal internal implementation details based on how an ability is structured (my go-to example is pillar of faith where initial hit gets assassinate but the follow-up prone does not), but i would expect assassinate to apply if and only if a backstab applies.

 

the one thing i can think of is that assassinate applies to everything whereas backstab only applies to martial hits. Maybe FoD (or shared flames specifically) isn't classified as a martial weapon attack?

 

either way, good find for an odd bug.

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Hey Balthazar!

 

Thank you for the detailed explanation of this issue with Backstab.  I put all this information into a report and sent it to the Systems Design team.  If you discover this occurring in other circumstances, please continue to post about it as I have linked this thread to the report to be used as a reference for the team during their investigation.

 

Thanks gain for the help!

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I just tried a Bleak Walker Assassin with a arquebus myself and can confirm that either Shadowing Beyond or arquebus is the problem. Most likely SB. It's RTwP mode.


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Hopefully this is prioritized as it's a killer for any assassin-type build!

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I encountered the same issue, and did some testing.

Shadowing Beyond and Enduring Shadows are bugged. You won't get Sneak Attack and Backstab bonuses when using Arquebus weapon type - the only ranged weapon i tested, so possibly others are affected as well. However, Great Swords work just fine with those abilities - i don't know about other melee weapons.

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Not fixed with 5.0?

Booo!


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Posted (edited)
47 minutes ago, Boeroer said:

Not fixed with 5.0?

Nope. I was forced to implement additional condition scripts to make it work stable in our CP.

Edited by Phenomenum
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