Pathfinder Kingmaker is bigger then Deadfire

[no1fanboy]

https://owlcatgames.com/forums/showthread.php?19-Information-known-about-the-game-so-far

 

I have been reading alot of the forum comments. The game looks good.

 

CRPG like Deadfire and you can build your own kingdom and raise an army.

 

There are numerous reports it is far bigger then deadfire with the base game being over 100 hours of game play and they have expansions planned on top of that. Deadfires base was advertised as being around 50-60 hours from memory.

 

Not as good as graphics as deadfire but to be honest the story plot and narrative and definitely the Balancing look far better.

Edited July 23, 2018 by no1fanboy

[Vaneglorious]

Looks promising, although the graphics are a bit cartoonish. I like my cRPGs with a more dark/serious atmosphere.

 

I'll give it a shot, though. As long as the combat is fun and the story is compelling, I'm sold.

[no1fanboy]

Yep. The best thing is it uses the existing pathfinder rules set so no stupid balancing dramas.

 

I also love playing big games like BG2 and kingmaker is that

[no1fanboy]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker

 

officailly confirmed at 90 hours (80 hours base + 10 hours extra stretch goal content) wow thats huge wasnt expecting it to be that big. BG2 was 100 hours. Deadfire is 60 hours.

 

really love that the main plot concentrates on you building your kingdom instead of chasing around a stupid statue 

Edited July 23, 2018 by no1fanboy

[Saito Hikari]

Heard about this game two days ago. Seems quite interesting. Watched the first few episodes of a Let's Play of the closed beta, and it seems to imply that the companions you start with change drastically based on choices made during the tutorial phase. Alas, I know nothing of Pathfinder's rulesets and all, but I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Edited July 23, 2018 by Saito Hikari

[Manveru123]

Oh, nice find. Thanks for the heads up.

Yep. The best thing is it uses the existing pathfinder rules set so no stupid balancing dramas.
 

Biggest reason I'm preordering this game.

[Vitalis]

Heard about this game two days ago. Seems quite interesting. Watched the first few episodes of a Let's Play of the closed beta, and it seems to imply that the companions you start with change drastically based on choices made during the tutorial phase. Alas, I know nothing of Pathfinder's rulesets and all, but I'm sure I'll figure it out.

You can read all about them here:

 

http://www.d20pfsrd.com

 

While not as broken as 3.5, it still has its share of broken aspects. I can almost guarantee that plays will lack most of the race options, race substitutions, and class archetypes that the system provides. I can almost guarantee that the CMD rules are going to be altered or nonexistent.

[Saito Hikari]

 

You can read all about them here:

 

http://www.d20pfsrd.com

 

While not as broken as 3.5, it still has its share of broken aspects. I can almost guarantee that plays will lack most of the race options, race substitutions, and class archetypes that the system provides. I can almost guarantee that the CMD rules are going to be altered or nonexistent.

 

 

 

Ah, thanks. Although to be honest, I actually meant 'I really know nothing about DnD and its terminology such as rulesets' at all. I only did get into the PoE series some 3 and a half months ago, and it was my first real introduction to cRPGs that adhere closer to what DnD apparently is.

 

I will definitely be looking through this resource, though. Thanks again.

 

(Arcane Archer sounds awesome. I wonder if that's something that will be included in this game?)

Edited July 23, 2018 by Saito Hikari

[rheingold]

Just a thought, the one thing Obs are really good at, esp Sawyer is rulesets and balancing. POE was brilliant towards the end in that respect. Deadfire will get there, but it will take time. I’d expect POE and Deadfire (given a bit more time) to be far superior to Pathfinder or any version of d&d from a gameplay perspective. My issue with Deadfire is I wanted a sequel to Pillars not SOZ. Ie a tightly nit story with the focus on the writing. In essence, the complete opposite of Deadfire.

Kinda interested in Kingmaker, only because of Avellones involvement. I’ve learned to be very skeptical of smaller studios. Game design is heck of a difficult and in my experience the last few crops of games like ‘sword coast legends’ and ‘the dwarves’ were a complete waste of time. This does sound a bit to close to them for comfort.

[Falk Schütze]

Yep. The best thing is it uses the existing pathfinder rules set so no stupid balancing dramas.

 

I also love playing big games like BG2 and kingmaker is that

 

^^ This. Especially because these balancing issues (Ranger / Cipher / Priest / single classes in general) are not being worked on and removed.

[Manveru123]

Just a thought, the one thing Obs are really good at, esp Sawyer is rulesets and balancing. POE was brilliant towards the end in that respect. 

 

Two years of balancing POE1 resulted in a game where you could pick any number of Paladins and Chanters and kill everything with passive aura damage.

 

But at least that one ranged weapon in WM2 was nerfed because it was too strong. 

Edited July 23, 2018 by Manveru123

[Grimo88]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker

 

officailly confirmed at 90 hours (80 hours base + 10 hours extra stretch goal content) wow thats huge wasnt expecting it to be that big. BG2 was 100 hours. Deadfire is 60 hours.

 

really love that the main plot concentrates on you building your kingdom instead of chasing around a stupid statue

Jesus Christ. The petulance in these forums sometimes. Why are you here?

[White.Kelevra]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker

 

officailly confirmed at 90 hours (80 hours base + 10 hours extra stretch goal content) wow thats huge wasnt expecting it to be that big. BG2 was 100 hours. Deadfire is 60 hours.

 

really love that the main plot concentrates on you building your kingdom instead of chasing around a stupid statue 

 

First - play, second - we will see   

[no1fanboy]

cant wait to play Kingmaker. 

Edited July 23, 2018 by no1fanboy

[no1fanboy]

 

Just a thought, the one thing Obs are really good at, esp Sawyer is rulesets and balancing. POE was brilliant towards the end in that respect. 

 

Two years of balancing POE1 resulted in a game where you could pick any number of Paladins and Chanters and kill everything with passive aura damage.

 

But at least that one ranged weapon in WM2 was nerfed because it was too strong. 

 

LOL

 

Yeah and to fix that in the second game have a look at what they did to self immolation for the paladin

 

Instead of self immmolation killing enemies like POE1 you actually kill yourself now faster then the enemies can kill you . 43 raw damage every 3 seconds

 

And lets not forget whispers of the endless paths. "I know lets just make the sword completely frickin useless by nerfing the base damage into irrelevance" (Obsidian)

 

ohh and the best one would have to be unlabored blade from POE1 . " I know, because the barbarian can use the weapon really well with frenzy lets just completely nerf the blade to complete and utter uselessness with a 3% proc rate so know one can use it anymore" (Obsidian) 

 

NOW THATS CALLED BALANCING EVERYBODY!

Edited July 23, 2018 by no1fanboy

[omgFIREBALLS]

Don't you have enough Deadfire bashing threads?

[Novem]

You say "bigger", I just hear "more buggy".

 

But yea I'm rather excited for the game nonetheless.

 

PS: I actually think Deadfire is impressively balanced as it is. People think balance is just nothing being OP, but I think the more important element is everything being viable. POE is really good at avoiding trap builds and that's one of the reasons I find it so fun to play. Some things are better than others for sure, but nothing is so bad that it's actually unusable.

[Lord_Mord]

Looks like our special children get their own PoE now. With an easy to understand story and visually stimulating graphics, so noone gets bored. I think that's a good thing, we don't want to leave anyone behind.

Nothing for me to be honest. I'd rather have an engaging story, excellent worldbuilding and good writing than playing with toy soldiers in my little fairy kingdom. But I understand that this can't work for all of us. I just hope that the weapons will do loooots of damage. It's frustrating for that kind of target group if the game does not give enough positive feedback on their actions.

[TheisEjsing]

Don't you have enough Deadfire bashing threads?

Next up. GTA got more cars than deadfire! thread!

[Manveru123]

Looks like our special children get their own PoE now. With an easy to understand story and visually stimulating graphics, so noone gets bored. I think that's a good thing, we don't want to leave anyone behind.

 

Nothing for me to be honest. I'd rather have an engaging story, excellent worldbuilding and good writing than playing with toy soldiers in my little fairy kingdom. But I understand that this can't work for all of us. I just hope that the weapons will do loooots of damage. It's frustrating for that kind of target group if the game does not give enough positive feedback on their actions.

I could probably get rich by mining and selling all this salt.. Dibs.

 

Oh, so what games have you recently played that had an engaging story, excellent worldbuilding and good writing, because Deadfire has none of those? I'm looking for suggestions.

 

EDIT: Other than Divinity: Original Sin 2, already played that

Edited July 23, 2018 by Manveru123

[xzar_monty]

 

Heard about this game two days ago. Seems quite interesting. Watched the first few episodes of a Let's Play of the closed beta, and it seems to imply that the companions you start with change drastically based on choices made during the tutorial phase. Alas, I know nothing of Pathfinder's rulesets and all, but I'm sure I'll figure it out.

You can read all about them here:

 

http://www.d20pfsrd.com

 

While not as broken as 3.5, it still has its share of broken aspects. I can almost guarantee that plays will lack most of the race options, race substitutions, and class archetypes that the system provides. I can almost guarantee that the CMD rules are going to be altered or nonexistent.

 

 

Do you mean DD 3.5 edition? How is that broken? In my view, it's brilliant.

[Messier-31]

My rl knowledge about sailing is bigger than in Deadfire.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Yep. The best thing is it uses the existing pathfinder rules set so no stupid balancing dramas.

lololololo

 

 

Tier 1: Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing. Often capable of solving encounters with a single mechanical ability and little thought from the player. Has world changing powers at high levels. These guys, if played with skill, can easily break a campaign and can be very hard to challenge without extreme DM fiat or plenty of house rules, especially if Tier 3s and below are in the party.

(...)

Tier 6: Not even capable of shining in their own area of expertise. DMs will need to work hard to make encounters that this sort of character can contribute in with their mechanical abilities. Will often feel worthless unless the character is seriously powergamed beyond belief, and even then won't be terribly impressive. Needs to fight enemies of lower than normal CR. Class is often completely unsynergized or with almost no abilities of merit. Avoid allowing PCs to play these characters.

 

A+ balance indeed

[Manveru123]

 

Yep. The best thing is it uses the existing pathfinder rules set so no stupid balancing dramas.

lololololo

 

 

Tier 1: Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing. Often capable of solving encounters with a single mechanical ability and little thought from the player. Has world changing powers at high levels. These guys, if played with skill, can easily break a campaign and can be very hard to challenge without extreme DM fiat or plenty of house rules, especially if Tier 3s and below are in the party.

(...)

Tier 6: Not even capable of shining in their own area of expertise. DMs will need to work hard to make encounters that this sort of character can contribute in with their mechanical abilities. Will often feel worthless unless the character is seriously powergamed beyond belief, and even then won't be terribly impressive. Needs to fight enemies of lower than normal CR. Class is often completely unsynergized or with almost no abilities of merit. Avoid allowing PCs to play these characters.

 

A+ balance indeed

 

And you know what the best part is? It's gonna stay that way after release.

[Novem]

 

Looks like our special children get their own PoE now. With an easy to understand story and visually stimulating graphics, so noone gets bored. I think that's a good thing, we don't want to leave anyone behind.

 

Nothing for me to be honest. I'd rather have an engaging story, excellent worldbuilding and good writing than playing with toy soldiers in my little fairy kingdom. But I understand that this can't work for all of us. I just hope that the weapons will do loooots of damage. It's frustrating for that kind of target group if the game does not give enough positive feedback on their actions.

I could probably get rich by mining and selling all this salt.. Dibs.

 

Oh, so what games have you recently played that had an engaging story, excellent worldbuilding and good writing, because Deadfire has none of those? I'm looking for suggestions.

 

EDIT: Other than Divinity: Original Sin 2, already played that

 

 

Not that I agree with the intent of the comment you're replying to, but... Deadfire actually has incredible worldbuilding. The problem is that it puts that worldbuilding over telling a cohesive, deep, and compelling core narrative. It's writing is pretty great too. Certainly better than the first game, even if I don't really think it chooses the right places to be more evocative. I can't say I'm entirely satisfied with what we got, but I understood the intent (and it's understandable they chose this direction after the criticism the first game received). I hope Pillars 3 will be able to strike a better balance between the two extremes. The compelling, intriguing, philosophical depth of the first Pillars of Eternity balanced with the snappier, cleaner delivery style of Deadfire.

Edited July 23, 2018 by Novem