Fenixp Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) valve's policy makes them and things like cryptomining trojans inevitable Speaking of, Valve pulls a game for alleged cryptocurrency mining. So uh... Yeah. That may very well be the thing Steam did actually manage to do first - they didn't invent digital distribution, community features or any of that other bloat Steam comes with, but publishing a bitcoin mining game on a supposedly safe PC gaming platform? That may very well be the first! Truly heralds of the industry. Edited July 31, 2018 by Fenixp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Steam had many neat ideas but it pretty much failed at regulating any of them. As someone who owns 500+ games on Steam, I feel like an idiot. There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Steam had many neat ideas Not really, AFAIK Steam has always been all over the place. The only idea of theirs I digged was creating an OS for PC dedicated to gaming - but, as with all of their ideas, they forgot about it halfway through. Most of their actually successful stuff like Community features or Market has been done before multiple times - and the other stuff, like Greenlight or Curator system, were all half-arsed attempts at a systematic solution to problems that can't really be solved systematically. At this point it's just a store filled with shovelware - after all, Valve's latest decision on controversial content was "Can't be arsed, sort it yourselves" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 A Cyberpunk game may have political commentary. What a surprise. https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-quest-designer-says-its-inherently-political/ Comments didn't disappoint. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) I liked Steam Workshop and I still do to a certain extent but yeah, half finished or rather 'half-arsed' are the right words for it. Edited July 31, 2018 by Katphood There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) It's true. These half finished ideas are what infuriate me the most. They have the money and they have the potential, but they just can't finish crap. Really, that's pretty much Valve for me nowadays... they just can't pull through stuff till the end. Edited July 31, 2018 by Lexx 1 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 That's flat management for you. While people love to hate middle management and bad middle management is infuriating it exists to solve a very real problem- someone has to identify issues and have the authority to get said issues fixed in a timely manner. Allowing people to go where their enthusiasm leads sounds great in theory, but all too often their enthusiasm leads to eventual boredom at the hard work of fixing bugs. It's the old problem where if you make everyone head chef then you end up with everyone designing new meals and no one chopping onions and peeling potatoes for existing recipes day in day out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I liked Steam Workshop and I still do to a certain extent And before Steam Workshop was a thing, there was Desura and Nexus Mod Manager for mod management - both with vastly smaller budget, yet far more impressive set of features. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) https://youtu.be/c-nkjgFXcCA"]https://youtu.be/c-nkjgFXcCA I'm in love! I liked Steam Workshop and I still do to a certain extentAnd before Steam Workshop was a thing, there was Desura and Nexus Mod Manager for mod management - both with vastly smaller budget, yet far more impressive set of features.Yeah, I still have a Desura account with Underrail and a bunch of other games on it. I used Nexus for both Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 3. I'd still use Nexus mod manager because -you guessed it- there is no Steam Workshop support for either of the games. Skyrim does have Steam Workshop support but compared to something like the Nexus mod manager, it's crap. With the Nexus mod manager you can turn mods on and off anytime but with Steam Workshop...you have to unsubscribe?! Yeah, some unintuitive **** like that. Edited July 31, 2018 by Katphood There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 It's true. These half finished ideas are what infuriate me the most. They have the money and they have the potential, but they just can't finish crap. Really, that's pretty much Valve for me nowadays... they just can't pull through stuff till the end. Surprised Romero didn't end up there. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Steam Workshop is also auto-updating, which is good in theory, but it screws me over hard once I'm at a computer with slow internet speed and Steam decides to download a bazillion GB of mods. Wasn't Desura taken down? I thought it doesn't exist anymore. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Did it? Don't know. Shame.. I want that Underrail copy back dammit! There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I want that Underrail copy back dammit! The devs seem like the kind of group who love their game, I'm pretty sure contacting them with a proof of purchase that Desura most likely sent your way back in the day and explaining the situation will get you a Steam/GOG key 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marelooke Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 https://youtu.be/c-nkjgFXcCA"]https://youtu.be/c-nkjgFXcCA I'm in love! I liked Steam Workshop and I still do to a certain extentAnd before Steam Workshop was a thing, there was Desura and Nexus Mod Manager for mod management - both with vastly smaller budget, yet far more impressive set of features.Yeah, I still have a Desura account with Underrail and a bunch of other games on it. I used Nexus for both Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 3. I'd still use Nexus mod manager because -you guessed it- there is no Steam Workshop support for either of the games. Skyrim does have Steam Workshop support but compared to something like the Nexus mod manager, it's crap. With the Nexus mod manager you can turn mods on and off anytime but with Steam Workshop...you have to unsubscribe?! Yeah, some unintuitive **** like that. And NMM isn't even that good compared to some of the alternatives like Mod Organizer 2 (which I'm using now) or Vortex (which is going to succeed NMM) which only makes all these "big company" mod managing "solutions" seem even worse... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicMage117 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 So... this thread turned into another "Steam or GoG" without purpose, basically another let's rat out Steam. We get it, people here hate Steam and Valve. You guys should write Valve a personal statement and maybe you'll make a difference (if it's really as important to voice how bad Steam really is) XD Now, back on topic: Denuvo hackers are getting arrested. Moral of the story, don't pirate/hack games. The end. More Valve news... (Because of the obsession here). #JustSonicThings Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 It's hard to not go into Steam versus GOG, when Steam just simply sucks 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicMage117 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 It's hard to not go into Steam versus GOG, when Steam just simply sucks Ahhh yes, I'm sure that's why Steam is the number one gaming format. And next year, we all know GoG will kill Steam and Origin Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Steam was the first, that's why. They forced it upon their Half-Life fanbase and used Half-Life² - which was highly anticipated (seriously, the hype was crazy big, probably bigger than any new GTA or Red Dead game could have it) - as a catalyst. 6 "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicMage117 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Steam was the first And it will be the last Just what do you think you're doing?! You dare to come between me and my prey? Is it a habit of yours to scurry about, getting in the way and causing bother? What are you still bothering me for? I'm a Knight. I'm not interested in your childish games. I need my rest. Begone! Lest I draw my nail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 And it will be the last Yes, last behind GOG. 4 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Let's give Sonic a break here: I recently installed GOG Galaxy and the interface looks like ass. 1 There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Rome, the first and last republic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Let's give Sonic a break here: I recently installed GOG Galaxy and the interface looks like ass. for me selling point of GoG is that I don't need another showelware (client) on my PC 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenixp Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) I recently installed GOG Galaxy and the interface looks like ass. Desktop with game icons looks okay to me. Besides, Steam's interface both looks like ass and handles like ass. You could fix a big part of that with skins, but skin support will be removed, so ... Yeah. Edited July 31, 2018 by Fenixp 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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