RANDOM VIDEO GAME NEWS - BATTLE ROYALE

[Blarghagh]

Heya, post your video game news here, if you want.

[SonicMage117]

Continuing the conversation from the former thread...

 

You'll never see GoG, Origin, PSN, uPlay or any other minor/major marketplace putting in efforts in their sales.

 

This includes:

 

*Creating special badges for participating in sales. What are badges? Badges are digital markers you can feature on your profile to make your profile stand out or take "pride" in an event or show support of a product.

 

*Trading cards. Trading cards to be collected, sold, traded.

 

*Creating a browser game to encourage publishers/developers to make discounts more accessible, to encourage Steam users to stay active.

 

*Giveaway for high rated and high quality AAA/indie games for free to those who cannot afford it.

 

*Hosting live-streams of developers to promote their games and discount more when reaching a certain amount of viewers.

 

 

 

I mean, sure all these points could be arguable to a certain degree. An non-Steam user might say "Nobody cares about badges or trading cards or profiles" yet has an avatar if somethimg they like, which isn't anything different. Or perhaps, find some way to complain about the free games - because it's 2018 and we're in an age where people complain about free lol

 

Point being that all this just proves the juncture of my points, but that's not all, there's allt more that Steam's doing that shows they've put more efforts in their sales than anyone else. You guys may let me know when someone else does these things or the other things I did not mention. Apologies for not going more in-depth, for fear of wasting my time.

 

If anyone has any suggestions to how anyone else has put in more efforts or just as much efforts as Steam does into their sales, I'm all ears. I mean, my main goto marketplace is Steam but I'm equally involved with GoG, Origin and uPlay. Of course, I'm talking about an intellgent answer, not an incredibly biased irrelevant answer such as "Well, no drm is enough for me". No offense to anyone who was going to say that.

Edited June 24, 2018 by SonicMage117

[Malcador]

GoG does put in effort for the sales, they did do the insomnia gimmick and the pinata stuff.

[injurai]

Steam get's cred for being the revolution plus it has leader momentum. GoG though I think is right up with it, and even surpasses it being strictly DRM-free.

[E.RedMark]

 

 

 Of course, I'm talking about an intellgent answer,

no drm for meh . Now thats smart ! what ? you got something for peoples actually know what they want and don't want in their games ? it mean the consumer actually 'evolved' not just still think the provider is the Tooth fairy and have their well being at heart and install stuff blindly . 

 

 

But steam has been around far longer then GOG right ? and while they may provide alot..they screw up alot too lol . 

 

The only one I don't like..is Origin . Urgh..its slow..and Urgh intrusive....

 

GOG is great . Sure..it may not come off as 'Elit' like Steam does...but it feel..more 'human' and less 'corp' then steam and I like that . I also like their forum more then Steam (game X page) where some are so Toxic...you would think you are on YouNoob . 

[majestic]

I think I might have been wrong when I thought SonicMage117 is a troll. It's a semi-advanced advertisment AI co-created by Ubisoft and Valve.

 

GoG does put in effort for the sales, they did do the insomnia gimmick and the pinata stuff.

 

Not to mention GoG gives away a lot of free games just because. Even without sales.

Edited June 24, 2018 by majestic

[SonicMage117]

no drm for meh . Now thats smart ! what ? you got something for peoples actually know what they want and don't want in their games ? it mean the consumer actually 'evolved' not just still think the provider is the Tooth fairy and have their well being at heart and install stuff blindly .

 

 

I suppose it's a "smart" answer until you realize that nothing *digital* is truly ever owned. The general public seems to think that service agreements do not matter, even moreso that if they are not confronted by a terms of agreement that one should not exist. Point being: Lose your account, lose your hdd, lose your reciepts and you'll see what I mean

 

For, it is truth that even the current console generation has you install from a disk, cept for which strangely requires disk to unlock it. All dlc, even in "complete" versions of games whether on console, steam or a non-DRM marketplace such as GoG requires internet to download the from servers locked with passcode from drm-enabled network (granted those servers are still up). Most non-drm advocates either never think this through or try to find a way to justify it, that's an issue for realists like me.

 

 

Truthfully, I say to thee, I have no argument, nor quarrel against people who do not like DRM, as long as they don't try to interject their non-drm stance in a place where it's unnecessary. If I did, I probably wouldn't be an avid GoG supporter but my action in words was that the "No DRM is the better sale vs Steam sale" is irrelevant, considering that the excuse is usually used by anyone in favor of one over the other.

[majestic]

For, it is truth that even the current console generation has you install from a disk, cept for which strangely requires disk to unlock it. All dlc, even in "complete" versions of games whether on console, steam or a non-DRM marketplace such as GoG requires internet to download the from servers locked with passcode from drm-enabled network (granted those servers are still up). Most non-drm advocates either never think this through or try to find a way to justify it, that's an issue for realists like me.

 

Uh, what? Sorry, can you try to rephrase that somehow, a David Lynch plot twist makes more sense than that.

[213374U]

I suppose it's a "smart" answer until you realize that nothing *digital* is truly ever owned. The general public seems to think that service agreements do not matter, even moreso that if they are not confronted by a terms of agreement that one should not exist. Point being: Lose your account, lose your hdd, lose your reciepts and you'll see what I mean

You cannot "lose" your receipts as long as you don't completely lose your identity, and thus the ability to claim ownership of your bank account. Which then can be used to obtain copies of any receipts. Since you're constantly making a point of schooling folks on the *digital* world, and in the digital world, every transaction can be traced.

 

But of course, you already knew that.

[E.RedMark]

 

 

I suppose it's a "smart" answer until you realize that nothing *digital* is truly ever owned. The general public seems to think that service agreements do not matter, even moreso that if they are not confronted by a terms of agreement that one should not exist. Point being: Lose your account, lose your hdd, lose your reciepts and you'll see what I mean 

aaaaaaaand thats why..I still hide mah money under my bed , and I don't do bank , credit card..paypal..etc . 

 

 

 

Truthfully, I say to thee, I have no argument, nor quarrel against people who do not like DRM, as long as they don't try to interject their non-drm stance in a place where it's unnecessary.

My point wasn't about liking or disliking drm . Actually , I didn't have a point . merely observing that its a good thing peoples are more aware of whats going on with games . 

[Katphood]

My main problem with Steam -as always- is that they have games that have compatibility issues with Windows 7,8 or 10.

 

Sure, you can always google around for a solution but it is still a problem Valve doesn't give two ****s about.

[Blodhemn]

Yeah, pretty much. That and some of the auto features.

 

Getting back to Cyberpunk 2077, of course the hype will be there from the company's history and the potential is there, but personally, I can see some things creeping in that I don't really care for - augments galore for starters. Seems like another excuse to go heavy with a jack of all trades system with loads of enhancements of various types. This seems pretty much a guarantee. Never liked their way of doing it in either Witcher games I've played. Also, even worse, much worse, the dialogue. TW2 was so bad in that regard that I couldn't be bothered trying the third game. Unless things are dramatically different on that front, I can't say I could bother with this one either. Plenty enough RPGs with bad writing out there, but I hope I'm wrong as the potential is there - setting/FPS/apparently open world with a nod to Bloodlines acquiring apartments with computer access and agreeable "friends".

[Blarghagh]

My main problem with Steam -as always- is that they have games that have compatibility issues with Windows 7,8 or 10.

 

Sure, you can always google around for a solution but it is still a problem Valve doesn't give two ****s about.

Yeah this is a massive issue for me. I no longer buy anything more than two years old from Steam, games like KotOR are already a bitch to run on Steam.

[Katphood]

Couldn't they at least make something similar to Steam Workshop? You know, browsing through different unofficial patches and downloading the highest rated ones. That would be really sweet, it would save you a whole lot of time.

[Mamoulian War]

Speaking of DRM, another game with call home DRM became unplayable due to company closing down.

 

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/06/25/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-now-unplayable-on-macs/

[SonicMage117]

 

I suppose it's a "smart" answer until you realize that nothing *digital* is truly ever owned. The general public seems to think that service agreements do not matter, even moreso that if they are not confronted by a terms of agreement that one should not exist. Point being: Lose your account, lose your hdd, lose your reciepts and you'll see what I mean

You cannot "lose" your receipts as long as you don't completely lose your identity, and thus the ability to claim ownership of your bank account. Which then can be used to obtain copies of any receipts. Since you're constantly making a point of schooling folks on the *digital* world, and in the digital world, every transaction can be traced.

 

But of course, you already knew that.

Yeah, I already thought about that....

 

So, there's a big problem here. Everything is tracable but that doesn't mean it's automaticallly proven because it can be traced. Identity theft is too easy these days. It's not even the market's responsibility to trace and confirm a person's account/identity or purchases. This is why most marketplaces (the smart ones) have two-step security measure. Neither Steam or GoG are going to help recover or legitify an account and/orthe account owner - it could be dangerous for them.

[injurai]

Speaking of DRM, another game with call home DRM became unplayable due to company closing down.

 

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/06/25/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-now-unplayable-on-macs/

 

See, I hate this so much. The industry really just needs to collectively find some solution to protect software during the launch window to discourage piracy, then eventually free the game permanently from it's shackles with the flip of a switch.

[Lexx]

"But our company won't close, don't worry!"

[SonicMage117]

Man, DRM-supoortive companies really need to switch to Denuvo. I thought it was wjat everyone was doing but I guess I was wrong. Then again, MGR is an older game and DRM wasn't as logical as it is now, no safety pins.

 

Always supoort Denuvo, in Denuvo we trust. In wherewhich if the company shuts down, they just remove the traps software ad the game remains playable all the same.

Edited June 25, 2018 by SonicMage117

[Malcador]

Man, DRM-supoortive companies really need to switch to Denuvo. I thought it was wjat everyone was doing but I guess I was wrong. Then again, MGR is an older game and DRM wasn't as logical as it is now, no safety pins.

 

Always supoort Denuvo, in Denuvo we trust. In wherewhich if the company shuts down, they just remove the traps software ad the game remains playable all the same.

 

Isn't there the same risk though, someone has to disable it and if the company buckles, no one will

Edited June 25, 2018 by Malcador

[the_dog_days]

DMR is a waste of time and money. If someone wants to pirate a game, they will find a way. Denuvo or whatever software you use isn't going to stop it.

[Lexx]

It's just about the first couple days / weeks anyway. Honestly, every DRM should disable itself after half a year at max, imo.

[Zoraptor]

Couldn't they at least make something similar to Steam Workshop? You know, browsing through different unofficial patches and downloading the highest rated ones. That would be really sweet, it would save you a whole lot of time.

 

Not a minimum effort solution that allows later monetisation, so won't be done.

 

(Yeah, it can be monetised, but even Valve would immediately see that monetising fixes without which games they're selling literally wouldn't work would be worse for PR than simply having games that don't work)

[SonicMage117]

I think it's a matter of publishers/developers asking Valve to simplify things by driving consumers to be on the same page. Rather than make it an either/or situation, Valve just said "We'll make it a broad thing" because it should make it easier for us, the developers, and the consumers.

 

And to be honest, it's logical considering that it's up to a developer/publisher to make their games work and not up to Valve. Forced updates help organize feedback, it's also up to the comsumer to go to the forums or contact the developer with proof of bugs or issues they have encountered. When people blame Valve for letting a "crap" game be on their market, it's as illgical as a consumer blaming Amazon for a bad product they ordered. Valve doesn't have the time to quality test each and everything that come to their market so bares no responsibility, just as GoG, Origin and others have plenty of lemons... so it's silly for people to expect them to. As indicated, the problem with certain games not working on certain systems is higher than GoG or Origin but that's also because Steam is vastly larger in games library and users. Still, at least the problem is minimized by forcing comsumers to auto-update.

 

I think it should be up to the developer/publisher to enable/disable updates directly. Early access on Steam games actually have this option but it's a bit deceiving in how it works. Instead of auto-updating, you select beta-branch module which is used for consumers who bought a game in early access to test the newer/newest build in game before it's released. If a developer knows they aren't going to work on a game any longer, or patch it then they should just notify Valve immediately and direct action should be taken accordingly. Valve should not enbale the comsumer to have so much freedom (that would be bad around the holidays) but really more of the developer and publisher so that everyone can be on more solid ground and understanding.

[Katphood]

Speaking of DRM, another game with call home DRM became unplayable due to company closing down.

 

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/06/25/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-now-unplayable-on-macs/

I heeded your advice on physical games vs digital games and bought myself a copy of MGR for the ps3 last year. Thanks for the advice, mang!