AlanC9

pinion, it's OK to be ignorant. But aggressive and ignorant is a bad combo.

Even restoring the cut ending wouldn't change how the game ended. The original ending took you to the same place the game goes now. But it would make the endgame much better than the flat experience it is now.

Speaking of "ghost boards", here's the Platonic ideal. http://xsorbit26.com/users5/languatron/index.php Someone found a way to have perfect agreement on every topic. Only the administrator is allowed to post. It's amazing how much hatred the new Galactica series can produce. (Just trying to drive the thread further OT).

Good post, though I've got a couple of quibbles. I disagree about Atton. I thought his joining up made a lot of sense, if you buy him as someone trying to make a break with his past as a Sith Assassin. Guess I have a different read on the character than you do. The same for the Exile ... but the whole thing is problematic, since pre-designing the personality of the player's character is a Really Bad Idea for an RPG. Note that it's not as simple as the PC being a "natural born leader." He's an unnatural leader, with a supernatural influence upon others. It's a plot point that the companions have no motivations of their own, not a plot hole (did you perhaps miss Kreia's dialog on the subject?). I disagreed with this design decision, mostly because it's an obvious retread of what happened in Planescape: Torment

Err.... how about: " We would travel from world to world, and descend on it in our Basilisk war droids." Not on. In.

We already know from KotOR 1 that there was at least one Mandalore pretender (he sent the Mandalorians to Kashyyk). If Mandalorians call him Mandalore, then he is Mandalore, in a sense. You'd still have to have a great deal of skill to claim the title, especially without the helmet. HK-47 actually states that: "You created me shortly after you and your apprentice began your war to conquer the galaxy." While it's conceivable that HK-47 doesn't see the Mandalorian war and the Jedi Civil War as separate conflicts, that's kind of a tortured reading. The simplest reading of KotOR 1 is that HK-47 saying the exact truth. HK-47 was created after Revan began the Jedi Civil War. He fought a Mandalorian pretender, not M-t-U -- who had already died at Revan's hand. Anyway, what does any of this have to do with KotOR 2? There's no new information on this subject at all. And no, Canderous doesn't specifically say that M-t-U died at Malachor V. It's a possible interpretation of his words, but not the only possibility.

What makes the game disappointing is that it was so close to being great, as opposed to just being good.

Because Mandalore didn't die at Malachor V, silly. I guess Chris figured I answered it, so he didn't have to. Third time: if you have any evidence that even suggests the possibility that Mandalore died at Malachor V, produce it. Edit: I'm with Eji -- that droid looks dumb. Edit again: incidentally, you're wrong about HK-47. Revan didn't build him to hunt Mandalore. We never find out who Revan sent him after, thought the target was in Mandalorian space (HK-47 killed that target, so it can't possibly have been Mandalore). HK-47 fought Mandalore after being damaged and captured by a Mandalorian. It is also entirely unclear whether the Mandalore in question is the one Revan fought. It might very well have been a pretender.

I know we did this in the other thread, but still... No, this one's explained by Goto. The bounty hunters are exceeding their instructions. Goto doesn't care much, since if they can kill you, you're not good enough for him anyway. Well, she does say there are DS techniques against which there is no defense. But yeah, it raises a big logic problem. Whether or not Kreia's evil, she doesn't do anything to hinder your character. Quite the opposite; she's helpful. And if you thought she was evil, what are you going to do about it? Pitch her out the airlock? Quite DS. Leave her off the ship, so she can do whatever she pleases? Nah -- much better having her where you can keep an eye on her. And I'm not at all certain Kreia's evil. Her plan does have some merit. Honestly, what good has the Force done for anyone? All it seems to do is provoke devastating wars. Entirely consistent with Mandalorian culture. The Mandalorians simply don't hate their enemies -- they respect and admire those who meet them on the field of battle. Didn't you play KotOR 1? Canderous likes your KotOR 1 PC more after the big revelation, not less.

This is such a non-issue. They close this board and we all bounce over to the BioBoards instead, like for NWN 2. The BioBoards are a terrible design, but they're a pretty good gathering place. The big issue is that it'd make Obsidian look even more like a Bioware sock puppet than they do now.

I don't know much about XBoxes, but I thought that there wasn't any way to do this if the game didn't have Live support, and as far as I know KotOR 2 doesn't. (A pruchasable CD is just a fantasy, I'm afraid)

I'll cut them slack on that one, since it's explained. The bounty hunters are exceeding their instructions. Goto doesn't much care --- if they can kill you, you're not what he was looking for anyway, so it's no loss. It's just a straight-up ripoff of the Planescape: Torment situation. But somehow it seemed more reasonable in an out-and-out fantasy game Now that's just silly. "War criminal" isn't a meaningful concept to the Mandalorians. Why should they have a problem with you?

It raises them from unconsiousness too, which Force Heal can't do. Marginally useful if someone gets hit with a massive critical or something. I vote Force Camouflage. So I don't have to use up a belt shot. Whee.

No, the games say that Malachor V was the last battle of the Mandalorian War. That does not mean that the war ended that day, merely that there were no more major fleet engagements. The war wouldn't be over until Revan caught and killed Mandalore. So no inconsistency. There would be an inconsistency if Mandalore had died at Malachor V, but I have never seen anything that implies that he did. Feel free to produce a reference if you can find one.

Where is it implied? By who? If you're going to set yourself up as a continuty expert, Nuke, you're going to have to deliver the goods. Edit: Canderous flatly says "When Revan executed Mandalore before our eyes, he cast Mandalore's helmet away, denied it to us."

Have you checked the combat feedback? What does it say about the damage you do when you hit?

Again, is there any evidence that Mandalore the Ultimate died at Malachor V? Canderous flatly contradicts this.

Why not? It's not like lying is out of character for the Sith.

Man -- doen't anyone remember how to open dialog.tlk? Canderous actually says both "riding in" and "riding on top of" Basilisks, so I don't know what kind of conclusion to draw. Unless the pilot rides outside and passengers ride inside? In that case, the only continuity problem in K2 is that we don't see the pilot sitting on the Basilisk Also, it's 15 centimeters of armor plate, not six. That's awfully thick for personal armor. And he does not specifically mention using Basilisks in that fleet action. He only speaks of them when talking about planetary assaults.

The fact that Malachor V was the last major battle does not mean that the war was over. There probably was a lot of mopping-up to do. And Mandalore the Ultimate (ick) was still alive after Malachor V. Mandalore the not-so-Ultimate (i.e., Canderous) states that Revan executed him. So it's all reconcilable. Revan built HK-47 to try and track down Mandalore so the war would be conclusively over. That didn't work, but Revan eventually caught up with Mandalore anyway.

I was working for the Ithorians and saw them run off to the planet. But I never saw them again.

It's not strange. GOTO has no interest in the Force at all. He just wants the whole damn thing over with so he can get back to business as usual. Since the Sith of this era have no positive agenda at all -- unlike when Revan led them -- he has to side with the Republic.

I saw the criminals run off, but I didn't find them anywhere on the surface. And I know I slaughtered all the Czerka stooges I found.

That's just silly. They were asking you to surrender the lightsaber itself, not just your right to use it.