Chilloutman

Cmon guys, spam that thread so Tigraness return to us. He stoped just as I get into meatgrinder train

Just for curiosity, how many womens posted in this thread?

not anymore, you have to run it through political correction checker before posting so you dont hurt feelings of anyone

I am somehow torn on how to rate game from RPG perspective. But game I really cand stand was: Fallout 3 which crushed my dreams and was plain awefull- from that point Bethesda is dead for me (die hard fan of first 2) Stupid world, stupid quests, stupid UI, stupid mechanics, stupid writing, stupid evberything I kind liked Morrowind and it was excelent for time it came out and then we got Oblivion - boring generic platformer - I cant even call it RPG as it doesnt have any meaningfull conversations, but plus side is modding Mass Effect 2 (didnt even try 3) - I kind of liked first one, then the second one was kind of meh. I felt like game doesnt have any story beside hoarding comrades - that actualy only think i remember DA2 - soooooo bad after at least decent first one and I am sure I didnt play a lot of RPG because they were so bad I dont even have to try them.

Man I have to read that twice to make at least some sense from it (and I am not native speaker as well) As far as I can tell best bet to help you would be on forums of that game (suppose its Fear) or on steam forums. Fastest way would be reinstall. But I got feeling you dont own original game :/

Its little bit outdated but I just love this video:

I said nothing about Russian invasion. But you are basically acting like the western media. "Lets ignore everything wrong in Ukraine and talk about Putin instead." Really? and what are you saying is lets talk about what is wrong in Ukraine and ignore that we invaded it. Just ridiculous

So why occupation?

I was replying to your post and you didnt mention it happend before occupation, and you mentioned silenced rifle Russian soldiers on Ukraine territory are armed thugs and if you look on news you will read about pro russian 'demonstrants' threatenning OSN watchers To be clear I am not saying everything is OK in Ukraine, but whatever happening there doesnt allow Russian invasion until Russia is in danger. All this talking doesnt have any point, Putin just want to add new territory to mother russia.

Did they report that the recently appointed head of Ukrainian pres. admin. was caught on camera with a rifle in his car? Did they report on the Right Sector thugs attending government and parliament meetings armed and threatening people? And being fully allowed to do so by new authorities? Did they report on the personalities of Svoboda party and Right Sector and the statements they made? The links to chechens? Are they reporting on the details of the leaked phone call between to EU officials privately suspecting Maidan snipers may not have been government? I dont follow all news so closely so I cant say if they do or not. However Ukraine is currently under occupation eg. in war so I dont see anything strange about rifels. And yes there is definetely problem with right sector, however I think that if Russia doesnt occupy Ukraine territory there would be much less right sector guys running around (even tho nacionalist is not nacist) and as you can seen in Greece, there was right sector as well but when things stabilised they were removed.

The whole situation in Kiev was grossly misreported, none of the executions or tortures were mentioned. Nothing was reported of how organized the protestors were and no news network went in deeper to investigate the situation. They may not be lying, but they are certainly not telling the truth. Ehm no, we know that protests where well organised (if they were not how would they succed? and I personaly know about torture and kidnapping from new, but it was stated that these things happening on both sides, that something Putin today doesnt tell to you

Dont know what to say. Tatars feels like Ukrainans now. Fact. Soviets killed in concentration camps more people than Hitler. Fact. Soviets invaded half of Europe. Fact. Soviets doing ethnical cleansing on Tatar natives. Fact. Stalin were moving Russians to Cimerian teritory to russificate that region. Fact. Putin agree that these were best time for Russia. Fact Conclusion - Putin is imperialist pig who thinks he can control sovereign country because its in 'Sphere of influence of Russia'. Can you imagine German president saying that third reich was best thing for Germany in past century? If you excuse me I am going to puke

I feel exhausted about talking someone who support Russian invasion into Ukraine. And Sarex I dont know if you doing it on purpose but you only pick few parts of my posts and seems like ignore rest eg. context. so facts 1. Ukraine is sovereign country (in time of chaos) 2. Ukraine got 3rd biggest nuclear arsenal before treaty with Russia which Russia just breaks 3. Huge number of people were deported to Gulags where they DIED and russians moved in to Russificate Crimeria 4. There are gas pipes over Ukraine which cost Russia big pile of money 5. Russia have to pay for their sea base big buck to Ukraine so they are still major power in black and middleterean sea 6. Police was killing protesters who where freezing all winter on square (note I agree that there may be provocaters on both sides) 7. Ukraine may end up as part of EU (even I doubt it now) 8. Putin is selfcentric KGB madman who still glorify Soviet Union as best years for Russia - he sad that breakup of union was biggest mistake of this century 9. Russians soldiers are running invasion without IDs on their uniforms fact you proven 1. there are russians in Ukraine 2. There are some right sector running around during time of chaos in Ukraine (doubt there are not any nacionalist russians)

What are you talking about. Which countries in southern Europe have a population that is >60% "African"? (no such ethnicity, language or common ancestry btw) I guess some Russian republics could push for independence on an ethnic basis (Caucasus republics, Tatarstan), but really not on a historic one because those have been Russian lands since the 17th century. Moreover, Russia has not turned against non-Russian ethnicities residing within their territory by couping its own democratically elected government and enacting a ban on the use of languages other than Russian. This is the issue that kickstarted the whole secession deal, remember? And there is 60% of population russian in Ukraine? No only in one part, its like part of Paris become independed because there is African mayority in that PART edit I searched it and its not even 20% 17.3% of the population of Ukraine is Russian ethnic minority

You cant call for independece because you became mayority in some part fo sovereign country, that way half of south europe would be part of some African state or independent state, half of countries in Russian federation would be independed etc...

Ehm no, Hitler wanted Sudety because there where many bunkers and strongholds (defense line) which can slow his progress in east europe, but because UK and France dont hold up their part of deal Czechoslovakia give up as we would not stand a chance against Germany alone for too long and then we would be persecuted much more, shame if UK and France hold up their part of deal there should not be 2WW, its similiar to situation in Ukraine now, they have treaties which are now broken by Russia, and if West doesnt action they just sold them out again as they done it with Czechoslovakia before

Sure, we can call it "ethnic cleansing" or even a petty genocide if you want, but that is really a red herring - it is completely irrelevant to the current discussion. The native population of Crimea were not ethnic Ukrainians but Crimean Tatars, as I have said. They are not related ethnically with Ukrainians. They speak a Turkic language. It's a completely different people. They don't belong in Ukraine any more than India belongs in England. The end line of that is that it leaves Ukraine with no serious claim on Crimea, since the only reason Crimea belonged to Ukraine in the first place is that Khrushchev happened to draw the border that way during some crayon session in the Kremlin. Let them have a referendum on independence and we'll see what they think. Like I wrote, the provisional government has already begun wooing them for their support. 1. Well it surly is not irrelevant - I suppose you are not from post soviet country so you cant probably understand 2. what left there of Tatars feels as part of Ukraine, definetely not part of Russia (but becasue they are not mayority there after Stalin reign you probably dont know about it but a lot of people still remeber how their fathers where deported to concentration camps by Stain - at least most of his statues where torn down during that revolution (at least something positive happend there)

First you said, "wouldnt be easier to just invite them back to Russia and helping them there instead of invading other country", then you said "I would not suggest to move them because ethnicity, but because they invited occupation army into sovereign country. eg - traitors.". I dont see any contradiction in it, however there was question mark at that first sentence, maybe that confused you?

Haha, dude there is no nice way to say this, but you are full of it. That was exactly what you were saying and now you are calling them traitors because your previous point fell flat. If the pro west part of the population wins the elections, which I am still not sure will happen(the election, not them winning), east Ukraine will do what the west did in Kiev and their allies are much closer. What will most likely happen is that Ukraine will split in half, there are too many people for any kind of ethnic cleansing to happen. What you are saying is just wishful thinking. The sad thing is that after all of this is over, Ukraine will be worse off then before the "protests" happened. Not sure what are you refering to 'full of it' however east of ukraine is where most of industry is, if they split up they can just kill those people now before they die from hunger and povetry. Its exatly what would Russia like, take Crimean (military base, economy, access to black sea) and put rest on shouldrs of EU and then laught that they are unnable to stabilise its economics. BTW which of my point is flat?

Rostere, you will have to do better research on native population of Crimean and why there is much more Russians now. And please dont call what Russians did there 'resettlement' few milions of people died in concentration camps during these 'resettlements'

Ehm no, I would not suggest to move them because ethnicity, but because they invited occupation army into sovereign country. eg - traitors. IF pro-west part of populatin win elections, then there will be ethnical cleansing - I dont approve it, but what can you expect if you invite army to take away their country, not to mention how many declaration Russia now breaking (even nuclear pack, in which Ukraine get rid of nuclear arsenal in favor for promise that Russia will not even set foot into Ukraine) There is strong chinese ethnicity in russia, how would you feel if they call Chinese army to take over part of russia for them? You would run over them with tanks - Russia style Example of 'bad' and 'good' deportation (expulsion) (note i dont say its good to expulsion someone, but its better for that people to leave then have to end up in hands of people who they oppresed) Soviet deportations The Soviet Union used deportation of populations, as well as instituting the Russian language as the only working language and other such tactics, to achieve Russification of its occupied territories (such as the Baltic nations and Bessarabia). In this way, it removed the historical ethnic populations and repopulated the areas with Russian nationals. The deported people were sent to remote, scarcely populated areas or to GULAG labour camps. It has been estimated that, in their entirety, internal forced migrations affected some 6 million people.[22][23] Of these, some 1 to 1.5 million perished.[24][25] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II

So Crimeas history starts with Stalin? Also that doesn't excuse the ethnic cleansing you are proposing. I just loled, deportation to home country is something different then ethnic cleansing, in fact, thats reason why there is more Russians then natives. Well I have to say it sound similiar, because Stalin deported them as well, problem is that their destination was concentration camps :/ What did they teach you at schools these days.... During the 1930s, categorisation of so-called enemies of the people shifted from the usual Marxist-Leninist, class-based terms, such as kulak, to ethnic-based ones.[8] The partial removal of potentially trouble-making ethnic groups was a technique used consistently by Joseph Stalin during his career;[9] between 1935 and 1938 alone, at least nine different nationalities were deported.[10] Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union led to a massive escalation in Soviet ethnic cleansing.[11] Looking at the entire period of Stalin's rule, one can list: Poles (1939–1941 and 1944–1945), Romanians (1941 and 1944–1953), Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians (1941 and 1945–1949), Volga Germans (1941–1945), Ingrian Finns (1929–1931 and 1935–1939), Finnish people in Karelia (1940–1941, 1944), Crimean Tatars, Crimean Greeks(1944) and Caucasus Greeks (1949-50),[12] Kalmyks, Balkars, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks, Karapapaks, Far East Koreans (1937), Chechens and Ingushs (1944). Shortly before, during and immediately after World War II, Stalin conducted a series of deportations on a huge scale which profoundly affected the ethnic map of the Soviet Union.[2] It is estimated that between 1941 and 1949 nearly 3.3 million were deported to Siberia and the Central Asian republics.[13] By some estimates up to 43% of the resettled population died of diseases and malnutrition.[14]

Damn dude, you are uneducated. Ah, so we should get those pesky Russians, who have been living there their whole lives, out of their homes and in to Russia (careful now Chilloutman your true colors are showing). I guess we should do that for anyone in Ukraine who isn't pro west. It wasn't east Ukraine or the Russians who started all this ****. You should do your research about why there is so many Russians and so little natives, then you would understand. Hint - Stalin, I am sure you can search on that

It makes as much sense to put America there as it does Russia. Right now Russia has only prepared Crimea against any aggression, like that in Kiev and I seriously doubt they will want to make it part of the Russian federation. What will happen is that it will most likely declare independence. You comparing Russia with the Nazis is just cheap propaganda and doesn't bring anything to the discussion. Its not cheap, its exactly what is happening, Russia invaded Ukraine becaus 'Russans living there might be oppresed' wouldnt be easier to just invite them back to Russia and helping them there instead of invading other country? People there are just excuse how to lock down access to black sea and their military power in region

Exactly what the Americans did to the Native American population, but I don't see how that relates to this thread. Put in Russia instead of Germany and it will then make you sense, its funny that there were Olympic games that year in Germany as well - however Its hard to find you relation to colonisation of America, note that I dont approve what they did there