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I'm coming from a Q6600 and really want to make the upgrade to the latest tech, but that 1k variant is beyond my reach. It comes down to what you plan to do with the machine. If it's mostly for gaming, then Haswell-E would be a very poor choice on a price/performance basis. In fact, Haswell-E will be a poor choice on a price/performance basis for any application since you'll be overpaying for the CPU, the mobo, and the memory, it's just exceptionally poor a choice for gaming since, at least initially, the extra cores of the upper Haswell-E models will give you zero gain over Haswell (or Ivy Bridge, for that matter). That may change in the future as games will supposedly become more multi-threaded so they can take advantage of more cores, but at the moment, the vast majority of games don't even utilize 4 cores to their maximum potential. Even then, the GPU will still be much more of a determining factor. For other, heavily multi-threaded, applications you may see substantial gains with Haswell-E, but you will still be paying a steep premium for it.

Since my adventures in South Park are finished... for now, I'm back to playing the game about dragons and falling, possibly dragons that are falling.

Hopefully it's like with Ivy Bridge-E, with both the $1000 and $600 variants having the extra cores.

I don't so much care about the particulars as long as we get more hilariously awkward sexy time scenes.

Age of Conan lost me within a day of playing it. I played Neverwinter Online for months, so that's something, but I've given up on that too. The Secret World is cool in that it has vastly superior writing and happens in a much more interesting setting than other MMOs, but good lord are the mechanics awful. I guess what I'm saying is that I can't recommend anything to you because it all sucks. Some help I am.

Well, Broadwell is still far enough away that we're mostly dealing with rumor and speculation. I won't be ready to build a new rig for several months either way, but at the same time, I can't really wait for Skylake and I certainly don't expect AMD to offer up anything competitive in the area where I'm looking to purchase (mid to upper desktop) until at the very least the Bulldozer architecture has run its course and they put out something completely new (not a Bulldozer based architecture like Steamroller), and even then, who knows whether AMD will ever even try to get back into that area of the market (they straight up can't with anything Bulldozer based, that's for sure)? If Broadwell winds up being a no show in desktop form, I may just have to go with Haswell, or even Ivy Bridge, assuming they still sell those. It's just the sad state of affairs that Intel can sit on their hands with the desktop chips and concentrate on dropping power consumption as they try to push into the ARM-dominated mobile market because AMD has zero presence in the mid to upper desktop segment (even the top of the line Vischera chip struggles to beat old Phenom II chips is some cases and is several generations behind Intel chips in performance and light years behind in power consumption). We're in the near worst case scenario where Intel has no competition whatsoever from AMD in the mid to upper desktop segment and they know it. Intel knows damn well that neither Steamroller (it doesn't look like there will even be any FX series Steamroller CPUs) nor the upcoming Excavator has anything that can even remotely challenge them in that sector so why bother putting money into R&D in that sector of the market when people have no choice but to buy their chips anyway? We desperately need AMD to rebound. They're holding on in lower end of desktops and the laptop segments because their APUs still hold an edge in the graphical horsepower department, but even that has almost completely been erased with Iris Pro. AMD desperately needs to hit a home run with HSA. If HSA isn't the game changer they're pimping it to be AMD will likely become increasingly more irrelevant as a CPU manufacturer or even cease to exist as a CPU manufacturer all together. That would be the worst possible thing that could happen for everybody, Intel fanboys included. We would all wind up paying the price, literally, if that happens.

I think Broadwell will still be DDR3, it won't be until Skylake that Intel releases a mainstream desktop CPU with DDR4 support. The bigger issue that I found when I did some digging around is that it doesn't look like Broadwell desktop chips will launch in 2014 (just low power variants aimed at laptops and mobile) if there will even be Broadwell desktop chips at all. Intel might just stay with the Haswell refresh until Skylake for their mainstream desktop CPUs. That would (sadly) make sense since they're basically competing against themselves in the mid to upper desktop segment as AMD has basically given up on trying to compete in that sector of the market.

The Hoff? I require a screenshot. I'm playing on the XBox360, so I'm not sure I can even do that? Maybe one of the PC folks could. You can get "The Hoff" at Tom's Rhinoplasty with the 360 version as well. It's really funny when various women around town tell you that can have their body any time you want David Hasselhoff. I think he meant he doesn't know how to do a screenshot with a 360 or if it's even possible.

Young fool... Only now, at the end, do you understand /attempts to shoot force lightning //nothing happens Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the feminists. ///attempts to shoot force lightning again ////nothing happens Now, you will pay the price for your lack of vision! /////attempts to shoot force lightning again //////nothing happens

Yeah, I thought about Haswell-E, but I fiqured the 6-8 core broadwells would make more sense as hopefully future games will make better use of multiple cores with the new console generation. The cost will make me cry no doubt but I rather get things done right the first time, don't want to have to upgrade during the next 5 years after that. I'm going to take this to the Build Thread in Skeeter's Junkyard so as not to derail this further.

Yeah, I thought about Haswell-E, but I fiqured the 6-8 core broadwells would make more sense as hopefully future games will make better use of multiple cores with the new console generation. The cost will make me cry no doubt but I rather get things done right the first time, don't want to have to upgrade during the next 5 years after that. Broadwell is supposed to have hexa core and octa core versions? If true that makes me lean even further toward Broadwell. The extra cores of Haswell-E (the higher up models will supposedly be octa core) was one of the things that attracted me to them as I plan to build the rig for more than just gaming (as of right now the vast majority of games don't even take full advantage of 4 cores, let alone more, though that may soon change). With Haswell-E I'd wind up triple-overpaying: Overpaying for the CPU itself (the -E CPUs are always quite overpriced). Overpaying for the motherboard (no chance x-99 chipsets will be cheap). And overpaying for DDR4 memory (it will no doubt be quite expensive at first, and for basically no performance gain besides a little lower power consumption). I can take all the money I'll save by buying Broadwell (which will likely wind up having higher IPC anyway) and use it to buy a better video card or a second video card (for SLI/crossfire).

Betting my money on they will still release Enhanced Edtion patch later after the release Of course, it wouldn't be a CDPR game without an Enhanced Edition some 9 or 10 months later. Broadwell? That should be Q4 2014, and would indeed work out well time wise. I may do the same, or I might splurge for Haswell-E, though the more I think about it, the less attractive Haswell-E becomes.

And it's been pushed back to February 2015: Well, it's not like they ever actually set a firm date (beyond 'sometime in 2014') in the first place. Oh well, however long it takes to get it right is fine by me.

Agreed. They're attacking a label. Even if they manage to 'ban' the label it will solve nothing since it doesn't address the underlying problem. A different label will simply get used.

Finished South Park: The Stick of Truth last night. Great game, I had a blast playing it throughout my 23 or so hours with the game. I think the length of the game is just right. It feels like playing through an entire season of South Park, I can't really ask for more than that. My only complaint, like so many others, is that the game is just too easy. Also, I know there are reports of bugs on the console versions, but the PC version is solid as a rock. On my mid-range lappy the game ran perfect. I did not encounter a single bug, not even so much as some artifacts or visual corruption or audio clipping issues.

I knew this day would come, but I was still not prepared. Edit: Spite pledging/purchasing sounds like the most brilliant thing ever. "Hey guys, I bought this ****ty game and now I'm out twenty bucks. Ha ha, joke's on you!"

Costume Quest 2 coming this Halloween. My reaction:

I see you got "The Hoff" rhinoplasty. Worth every penny. I like the comments females sometimes make when you pass by.

Sarkeesian does the thing that's unfortunately all too common these days (always?). She makes some valid points and has some meaningful things to say, but then she exaggerates and engages in theatrics to draw attention to herself.

I've seen the big behemoth sites like IGN (and the smaller sites too, for that matter) pimping the **** out of South Park: The Stick of Truth. Maybe not pimping it quite as hard as Final Fantasy XIII: Dress Up Quest or Titanfall, but it's been getting tons of coverage both before the launch and after. Plus, I've seen ads for it on TV.

I'm playing as a Jew. The Stone of David special ability is such a force to be reckoned with, especially when fully maxed out. And it costs so little power points. Wait until you get the plague summoning ability. Nothing says good times like raining frogs down on your enemies.

Rig the ballot boxes. Use the Floridian hanging chads!

Pfft, women will never be equal with us men because we can pee while standing up. /puts on flame proof suit

Now that's some holy smiting!