Keyrock

I also prefer Alien over Aliens! If you missed this KS Keyrock, give it a try when it comes out, it sure looks the part so far: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bischoff/stasis-2d-isometric-scifi-horror-adventure-game Yeah, Stasis looks pretty doggone good. Also, SOMA looks like it will be quite freaky.

^^ Sounds like you're more interested in an Aliens game whereas I'm more interested in an Alien game.

Certainly an interesting idea and a welcome change of pace from the standard "Murica, **** Yeah! *brofist*" that's the vast majority of games about war.

Alright, I think I got it. It's a ban on banning with a single immutable exception built in. The ban on banning bans all banning except the ban on banning itself. Thus, the ban on banning is the only ban, all other bans will be instantly banned by the ban on banning, which is the only ban that is allowed not to be banned.

While I'm very keen on better AI in games and getting rid of patterns that make the AI predictable, I don;t think it's going to help much in making a game scary, The first few hours sure, but after that I bet reloads and frustration will replace predictable patterns. Maybe, but I'd still rather have a game where I'm nervously (virtually) clutching my trusty motion tracker and getting ready to run like crazy at the first sign of Xenomorph rather than splattering wave after wave of mindless Xenomorphs with a machine gun, because the latter certainly isn't scary.

But if we ban banning, the ban on banning will be banned. Crap, I hadn't thought of that. This is like that time a Babel Fish was used as proof of the non-existence of God. Edit: What if the ban on banning starts after the ban takes effect and isn't retroactive?

We should band together and start a campaign called Ban Banning. Banning is ruining the world.

I'm a bit intrigued by a game I stumbled across called Wander. It's in beta, plus I think they're switching engines to CryEngine at the moment. Anyhoo, it's billed as a non-combat, non-competitive, exploration-based MMO. Exploration is my jam and I'm totally down for non-combat, as combat is often times (not always) the part of games I dislike the most. I have no clue if it's any good, mind you.

I liked planetary exploration in ME1, I just hated the Mako. The Mako was the worst.

Alien: Isolation developer commentary. Well, they're certainly saying all the right things.

Tera has better combat that most MMOs (that's not saying all that much) and pretty graphics, but I couldn't personally get past the extremely creepy furry/loli fetish aspect of it.

Yep, I'm in a similar boat. I have a separate bank account I try to put some money in every month, that's my new rig fund. Currently I have $1000 in there. By the time I plan to build a new rig (roughly half a year from now) I hope to have $2000 in there. First thing I'm getting is a 1440p monitor, likely 27". Prices on 1440p monitors have been dropping and hopefully by the time I am ready to do this I can get one for under $300 if I shop around, but let's just say $300 for sake of argument. That leaves me with $1700. So if I spend $600 on a Haswell-E chip, then (purely speculative figures based on nothing but halfassed guesses) $350 on a LGA 2011-3 mobo, then another $350 on DDR4 RAM, that leaves me with $600 to buy the case, PSU, SSD/HDD, and GPU. Even if I go cheapskate and get a HDD rather than SSD and get a reasonably priced case/PSU combo, that still only leaves me at best $400 to spend on a GPU. If I instead spend $350 on a Haswell chip (and that would be the top of the line model), $150 on a LGA 1150 mobo, and $150 on DDR3 (2400) RAM, that now leaves me with $1050 for the case, PSU, SSD/HDD, and GPU, which would allow me to get a SSD and still get a better GPU.

Yeah, I will be using it for gaming and rendering (3dsmax, softimage, artlantis and similar stuff). But it's mostly future proofing, I bought this rig over 5 years ago and it served me well, processor wise, to this day. What I want now is to get in on the 8-core and DDR-4 so I can leave it alone for another 5 years. It all depends if the prices are feasible for me, mainly the processor cost and the ram cost. Yeah, I have similar ideas about future proofing. Basically, Haswell-E is our only option for DDR4 (and likely octa core) until Skylake (outside of getting an insanely expensive Xeon), which will be here late 2015 at the earliest, quite possibly not until 2016. I can't wait until then, I'm building a new rig this year, that's set in stone. Like you, I want to see just how steep a premium LGA 2011-3 mobos and DDR4 memory will be compared to LGA 1150 and DDR3 memory. I'm guessing the price difference will be staggering, but only time will tell. For me, while I plan to use the computer for a lot more than gaming, I don't expect to be doing a lot of heavy duty encoding and such, which would really benefit from the extra cores. While I certainly wouldn't mind having the extra cores, 4 cores will almost certainly be plenty for anything I want to do with the rig, gaming included. Even just half the money I save on getting a Haswell CPU (or Broadwell if magically desktop Broadwell does happen and happens this year) instead of Haswell-E and a LGA 1150 mobo instead of LGA 2011-3 and DDR3 RAM instead of DDR4 RAM would allow me to either get a better video card (e.g go from GTX770 to GTX780Ti) or get a second video card to SLI/Crossfire. Either way, it will benefit my gaming performance far more and for less money to put some of the saved money into a better or second GPU, plus DD4 will likely not grant much, if any, performance increase over DDR3 (besides lowered power consumption) for likely a couple of years, until the faster clocked DDR4 RAM arrives. I don't know, it's still a game of speculation until Haswell-E nears and prices for all these components are revealed.

So it was the voice acting that turned you off? Not the dumbed down gameplay, not the nonsensical story, not the various technical problems?

I'm coming from a Q6600 and really want to make the upgrade to the latest tech, but that 1k variant is beyond my reach. It comes down to what you plan to do with the machine. If it's mostly for gaming, then Haswell-E would be a very poor choice on a price/performance basis. In fact, Haswell-E will be a poor choice on a price/performance basis for any application since you'll be overpaying for the CPU, the mobo, and the memory, it's just exceptionally poor a choice for gaming since, at least initially, the extra cores of the upper Haswell-E models will give you zero gain over Haswell (or Ivy Bridge, for that matter). That may change in the future as games will supposedly become more multi-threaded so they can take advantage of more cores, but at the moment, the vast majority of games don't even utilize 4 cores to their maximum potential. Even then, the GPU will still be much more of a determining factor. For other, heavily multi-threaded, applications you may see substantial gains with Haswell-E, but you will still be paying a steep premium for it.

Since my adventures in South Park are finished... for now, I'm back to playing the game about dragons and falling, possibly dragons that are falling.

Hopefully it's like with Ivy Bridge-E, with both the $1000 and $600 variants having the extra cores.

I don't so much care about the particulars as long as we get more hilariously awkward sexy time scenes.

Age of Conan lost me within a day of playing it. I played Neverwinter Online for months, so that's something, but I've given up on that too. The Secret World is cool in that it has vastly superior writing and happens in a much more interesting setting than other MMOs, but good lord are the mechanics awful. I guess what I'm saying is that I can't recommend anything to you because it all sucks. Some help I am.

Well, Broadwell is still far enough away that we're mostly dealing with rumor and speculation. I won't be ready to build a new rig for several months either way, but at the same time, I can't really wait for Skylake and I certainly don't expect AMD to offer up anything competitive in the area where I'm looking to purchase (mid to upper desktop) until at the very least the Bulldozer architecture has run its course and they put out something completely new (not a Bulldozer based architecture like Steamroller), and even then, who knows whether AMD will ever even try to get back into that area of the market (they straight up can't with anything Bulldozer based, that's for sure)? If Broadwell winds up being a no show in desktop form, I may just have to go with Haswell, or even Ivy Bridge, assuming they still sell those. It's just the sad state of affairs that Intel can sit on their hands with the desktop chips and concentrate on dropping power consumption as they try to push into the ARM-dominated mobile market because AMD has zero presence in the mid to upper desktop segment (even the top of the line Vischera chip struggles to beat old Phenom II chips is some cases and is several generations behind Intel chips in performance and light years behind in power consumption). We're in the near worst case scenario where Intel has no competition whatsoever from AMD in the mid to upper desktop segment and they know it. Intel knows damn well that neither Steamroller (it doesn't look like there will even be any FX series Steamroller CPUs) nor the upcoming Excavator has anything that can even remotely challenge them in that sector so why bother putting money into R&D in that sector of the market when people have no choice but to buy their chips anyway? We desperately need AMD to rebound. They're holding on in lower end of desktops and the laptop segments because their APUs still hold an edge in the graphical horsepower department, but even that has almost completely been erased with Iris Pro. AMD desperately needs to hit a home run with HSA. If HSA isn't the game changer they're pimping it to be AMD will likely become increasingly more irrelevant as a CPU manufacturer or even cease to exist as a CPU manufacturer all together. That would be the worst possible thing that could happen for everybody, Intel fanboys included. We would all wind up paying the price, literally, if that happens.

I think Broadwell will still be DDR3, it won't be until Skylake that Intel releases a mainstream desktop CPU with DDR4 support. The bigger issue that I found when I did some digging around is that it doesn't look like Broadwell desktop chips will launch in 2014 (just low power variants aimed at laptops and mobile) if there will even be Broadwell desktop chips at all. Intel might just stay with the Haswell refresh until Skylake for their mainstream desktop CPUs. That would (sadly) make sense since they're basically competing against themselves in the mid to upper desktop segment as AMD has basically given up on trying to compete in that sector of the market.

The Hoff? I require a screenshot. I'm playing on the XBox360, so I'm not sure I can even do that? Maybe one of the PC folks could. You can get "The Hoff" at Tom's Rhinoplasty with the 360 version as well. It's really funny when various women around town tell you that can have their body any time you want David Hasselhoff. I think he meant he doesn't know how to do a screenshot with a 360 or if it's even possible.

Young fool... Only now, at the end, do you understand /attempts to shoot force lightning //nothing happens Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the feminists. ///attempts to shoot force lightning again ////nothing happens Now, you will pay the price for your lack of vision! /////attempts to shoot force lightning again //////nothing happens

Yeah, I thought about Haswell-E, but I fiqured the 6-8 core broadwells would make more sense as hopefully future games will make better use of multiple cores with the new console generation. The cost will make me cry no doubt but I rather get things done right the first time, don't want to have to upgrade during the next 5 years after that. I'm going to take this to the Build Thread in Skeeter's Junkyard so as not to derail this further.

Yeah, I thought about Haswell-E, but I fiqured the 6-8 core broadwells would make more sense as hopefully future games will make better use of multiple cores with the new console generation. The cost will make me cry no doubt but I rather get things done right the first time, don't want to have to upgrade during the next 5 years after that. Broadwell is supposed to have hexa core and octa core versions? If true that makes me lean even further toward Broadwell. The extra cores of Haswell-E (the higher up models will supposedly be octa core) was one of the things that attracted me to them as I plan to build the rig for more than just gaming (as of right now the vast majority of games don't even take full advantage of 4 cores, let alone more, though that may soon change). With Haswell-E I'd wind up triple-overpaying: Overpaying for the CPU itself (the -E CPUs are always quite overpriced). Overpaying for the motherboard (no chance x-99 chipsets will be cheap). And overpaying for DDR4 memory (it will no doubt be quite expensive at first, and for basically no performance gain besides a little lower power consumption). I can take all the money I'll save by buying Broadwell (which will likely wind up having higher IPC anyway) and use it to buy a better video card or a second video card (for SLI/crossfire).