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I tend to agree and I still am not convinced he is even a Troll, why can't he just be someone who is entirely committed but misplaced in his political views?

Well I have really enjoyed this thread for two primary reasons I enjoy relevant SJ discussions where there is interesting feedback and that doesn't necessarily mean people just agreeing with my views I have loved the eloquence that many people have demonstrated with there ability to create limericks ...well played guys

I can sympathize with both sides of the debate in this case but you really think such an intelligent man doing such a significant interview would have known better or at least had someone tell him how inappropriate that shirt was

Now that's a good question We need order and structure because many people are incapable of doing the right thing, like paying tax, unless they are forced to So governments represent a collective system that allows things to function like the maintenance of institutions, examples of these include healthcare and education, and without institutions you will have countries and there citizens living in a benighted state where they just don't progress That's one of the biggest failures in Africa, the failure to maintain institutions in both the private and public sector So paying tax to your overlord(s) is 'doing the right thing'? You choose 'paying taxes' of all the examples in the universe one could come up with as doing the right thing? And you need your overlords to make sure you pay taxes to them? There's some circular logic fail for ya. Also, paying taxes has as much to do with doing the right thing as God has to do with choosing and blessing monarch X that claimed 'divine right'. Taxes are a primary way a government is able to maintain institutions and invest in the growth of a country I don't consider the government overlords but the custodians of ensuring a country is functional What would be your suggestion for a government to generate revenue and before you answer that consider this, every single government in the world uses some form of tax system because taxes work and are relevant to what governments need They could lower government spending while offering incentives to create free market alternatives. Sure but lowering government expenditure is something that should happen anyway and is what most governments aspire to achieve I like the free market concept but there will always be certain things that any government will want to be responsible for to ensure fairness and reasonable control of so its not abused by the private sector So free markets aren't the solution for everything ?

Interesting so it does seem to be legitimate but I have issue that she thinks this type of comment is tantamount to someone being a " non-radical " feminist I actually find her comments offensive All I can say is " guys don't pay this type of vitriol any attention", its tripe and will create unnecessary consternation

I found it funny, the reality is I have absolutely NO ability in creating limericks so I am impressed by basically any effort

Guttural? That's just offensive! D: (It's 17:00, it's noticeable that you're finnish.. or.. you know.. living in Denmark) I wish I was able to have a few drinks, I am working tonight so I'm at a customer. Its also 17:00 in South Africa

Now that's a good question We need order and structure because many people are incapable of doing the right thing, like paying tax, unless they are forced to So governments represent a collective system that allows things to function like the maintenance of institutions, examples of these include healthcare and education, and without institutions you will have countries and there citizens living in a benighted state where they just don't progress That's one of the biggest failures in Africa, the failure to maintain institutions in both the private and public sector So paying tax to your overlord(s) is 'doing the right thing'? You choose 'paying taxes' of all the examples in the universe one could come up with as doing the right thing? And you need your overlords to make sure you pay taxes to them? There's some circular logic fail for ya. Also, paying taxes has as much to do with doing the right thing as God has to do with choosing and blessing monarch X that claimed 'divine right'. Taxes are a primary way a government is able to maintain institutions and invest in the growth of a country I don't consider the government overlords but the custodians of ensuring a country is functional What would be your suggestion for a government to generate revenue and before you answer that consider this, every single government in the world uses some form of tax system because taxes work and are relevant to what governments need

Here lies Prime Junta, the man with a lot!When it comes to Social Justice, full is his Pot! He counters faster He's the battlefield master And.....dot. dot. dot. Yeah that's also clever and witty

I like this post, I have to be honest LK I am not use to you being so reasonable around these types of topics

Personally I would prefer they implemented Romance before full VO

The point of the feigned offence is to make you understand that the situation is unreasonable precisely because any number of people can be offended by any number of things, and anyone can feign any form of offence. I'm offended you don't recognize my right to identify as an apache attack helicopter, and demand that it is included in the game. This should not have to be spelled out to you. Okay you didn't seem to read my whole post about if you say something is offensive there needs to be context So why are you offended that an apache helicopter isn't in the game ? There must be a valid reason if you say so ? You see my point, so that was a silly and irrelevant point you made

Oh hi bruce! You're here. I did a limerick just for you. Here, lies Bruce, a hero to some Wishes to bed Sagani, but has remained mum He secretly sighs and wails Claims that POE Fails Because it has no romances, "how come?!! That made me laugh...its clever

Will they all see reason if I just keep on posting this meaningless stuff that they're probably not even reading or considering? It'll work eventually, right? You weren't being sarcastic, were you? Fine, fine, I guess I'll give it a rest. Nobody's getting through to anybody in this discussion anymore. Its not about convincing people, its about some of us letting other people know we don't have an issue with what Obsidian did by making the change and also how we can empathize with the original offense Remember there is backlash from some and comments like " well I will never support Obsidian again because they gave in to SJW " and other similar invective's

I'd suspect (but don't know) that the argument would be something like this: *Western society approves aggressiveness and outspokenness in men but discourages it in women *Women are trained in western society to not question authority or to stand up for themselves *therefore society respects and responds to an assertive male, but not an assertive female *therefore men negotiate better than women because this is what society thinks is acceptable; women will be seen negatively if they negotiate and are trained by society not to negotiate Also, since Sad Puppies was brought up here, George R.R. Martin on Puppygate/Sad Puppies: http://grrm.livejournal.com/417125.html I would say this is accurate, but I also believe this is more a problem outside Western countries.

I'm more offended by the poor craftsmanship of your poem than its contents, to be honest. Don't write limericks unless you know what an anapest is, pls Agreed, epic fail Hiro

Hehe..nice argument, except that I'm not the one demanding censorship here.. And, I'm just expressing, after them, my opinion, stating that I am a little disappointed, nothing more. If you think I shouldn't do this please go ahead, I don't want to censor you.. You are demanding censorship, because you're directly comparing people who disagree with you to murderous lynch mobs and the nazis, and thus putting them outside the range of acceptable conversation, characterizing them has indulging in hate-speech (which is censored). You also don't understand what intellectual integrity means. It means being able to back up your ideas, and sticking to them when they're rational, and dropping them when they're shown to be irrational. Anyone even using the phrase "feminazi" has already given up any claim to "intellectual integrity", because he's using crude, offensive, propaganda-speech, which compares fairly harmless people to a massive evil army (bordering on a death cult) which took over Europe by violent force and exterminated millions of people. There's no intellectual integrity there. It absolutely does not mean mindlessly sticking to your guns, or worse, someone else's guns, as you seem to think it does. Good post, personally I have always found the characterizations " femnazi" and " SJF " ( social justice Fascist ) offensive and completely exaggerated and unnecessary People like myself support SJ initiatives, the last thing I am is some kind of bigot who should be associated with groups of people who committed genocide I have asked people to refrain from using such words but some people still use them. So I can really can identify with your logic So according to SJW, words like "feminazi" and "SJF" should be censored.. xD Just shows what these guys really stand for.. xD In the end all we'll be able to say is commenting about the weather hehe.. No you can refer to me as anything you feel is appropriate, just don't expect to be taken seriously if you want to have a mature debate and want to use words like that

You see for me its simple, if something is hurtful to a particular group then we need to consider its value and ask questions like " was this the right decision to include it " But its more complicated than that because now people who want to dismiss this point will feign offense and say things like " well I find the color Red offensive " ...can you remove it ? So we need to look at things historically and in context. I am a white South African who still lives in South Africa and the circles I move in believe that certain words and actions are just unacceptable. The reality is the LGBT community is arguably still the most discriminated minority group in the world, there are places I travel to for work where its the death penalty if you are gay. In my own country you cannot be sexist or racist as you get called out on it but you can still be homophobic..despite the fact our Constitution protects your sexual orientation So from a SJ perspective I am particularly critical when it comes to Homophobia because I see this as fairly common form of bigotry that people justify for a number of reasons So when you ask " why do I care " I care because I don't think its right that people are discriminated against because of there sexual orientation. Its an simple as that

Guys can you use spoilers if you are going to PoE, some of us haven't played the game yet and really don't want to know too much about it

You are being far to modest GD, I'm sure you speak several other languages like ....Elk, Bear...maybe even Wild Boar ?

Hehe..nice argument, except that I'm not the one demanding censorship here.. And, I'm just expressing, after them, my opinion, stating that I am a little disappointed, nothing more. If you think I shouldn't do this please go ahead, I don't want to censor you.. You are demanding censorship, because you're directly comparing people who disagree with you to murderous lynch mobs and the nazis, and thus putting them outside the range of acceptable conversation, characterizing them has indulging in hate-speech (which is censored). You also don't understand what intellectual integrity means. It means being able to back up your ideas, and sticking to them when they're rational, and dropping them when they're shown to be irrational. Anyone even using the phrase "feminazi" has already given up any claim to "intellectual integrity", because he's using crude, offensive, propaganda-speech, which compares fairly harmless people to a massive evil army (bordering on a death cult) which took over Europe by violent force and exterminated millions of people. There's no intellectual integrity there. It absolutely does not mean mindlessly sticking to your guns, or worse, someone else's guns, as you seem to think it does. Good post, personally I have always found the characterizations " femnazi" and " SJF " ( social justice Fascist ) offensive and completely exaggerated and unnecessary People like myself support SJ initiatives, the last thing I am is some kind of bigot who should be associated with groups of people who committed genocide I have asked people to refrain from using such words but some people still use them. So I can really can identify with your logic

Guys I think the Op was referring to valid and accepted languages? Dutch is basically a bastardization of Afrikaans so its not really applicable in this case Ek jy nie verstaan nie. Not bad

Yeah, the irony is strong isn't it . Reminds me of the GG thread actually

Guys I think the Op was referring to valid and accepted languages? Dutch is basically a bastardization of Afrikaans so its not really applicable in this case

Holy Smoke ..okay that is interesting. I imagine those languages are completely different. Nice one