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Oh not much. They just made animals that slaughtered thousands of Polish (including some of my family) and Jewish people their national heroes. You are about a year late to the party, I'm afraid. In addition, from what I've seen, you are in the minority in that opinion, as a Pole. Good luck trying to discuss facts with the usual suspects here, though. You'll need it. Year late? Ukrainian parliament act I'm talking ago was passed on 09.04.2015. I'm also not a minority about being against ukrainian nazis. You seem to know as much on the subject as the FBI director when he accused Poland and Hungary on participation in Holocaust last week. I was referring to the year-old debate about the Ukrainian government being neo-Nazi sympathizers. This went right over your head, it seems, though I'm not really surprised. What's truly flabbergasting is that not even with a link to an old thread where those things are discussed at length, you managed to gather as much. Hey, maybe next year. Oh not much. They just made animals that slaughtered thousands of Polish (including some of my family) and Jewish people their national heroes. You are about a year late to the party, I'm afraid. In addition, from what I've seen, you are in the minority in that opinion, as a Pole. Good luck trying to discuss facts with the usual suspects here, though. You'll need it. I was referring to the year-old debate about the Ukrainian government being neo-Nazi sympathizers. This went right over your head, it seems, though I'm not really surprised. What's truly flabbergasting is that not even with a link to an old thread where those things are discussed at length, you managed to gather as much. Hey, maybe next year. Well the view that the Ukrainian government are Neo-nazi's was never taken seriously when you raised it because its just hyperbole...and the reality hasn't changed now so why should we get concerned or feel the need to urgently dispute it ? I'm sure there are some Neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian government ...like there are in many governments. But the suggestion that the Ukrainian government is aligned ideologically with a fascist movement is just preposterous for a number of reasons ..mainly that the Ukraine's primary financial backers happen to be Western countries and they just wouldn't support a Neo-Nazi government ..that should be explanation enough

There..there Sharp_one ..okay I'll take the hint and save you having to keep asking the same question "why do you hate the Ukrainian government, you use to support them.... what did they do now "

I read shady as sexy but then my name is shady and I'm delusional

Thats true, I never judge...oh wait......

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/whalestudio/we-are-the-dwarves I see the KS was cancelled ages ago....but the game is still Steam Greenlit so that should be fine..I assume its legitimate ?

This is hilarious, I really don't know how he manages to go down in my estimation with each post, i'm going to have to start studying quantum states soon. "quantum states " You funny Nonek...I'll give you that

Sure, sure, you mean "inclusive romancing environment". Either that or they have some sort of agenda and that's why they push it even if it seems hacky (Cortez struck me that way). Probably a bit of both at this point, it's become a good marketing point for them and it's not as if the average consumer takes a lot to clap and smile over. You correct about that Malc, I am referring primarily to Bioware contribution around inclusivity for the LGBT community Its important and appreciated work and don't think its easy for them...they receive loads of criticism and sometimes its nothing but homophobia pretending to be "constructive " That's why Bioware is such a remarkable company because they have remained true to there principles around inclusivity at the expense of losing some old fans

Yeah that's been proven time and time again and I'm sure Oby will recognize this The game looks very cool, I like the artwork. I'll support this game on KS

Good question I'll be getting my hardcopy of the game in about 2-3 days at my local PC gaming outlet....then I'll be joining the chaos and bedlam in the world of GTAV

Yeah it does sound like the earlier Ultima games were indeed very progressive for there time Its good that Bioware has taken up the torch of " trying to provide a truly inclusive gaming environment for all "

Can we not forget the past and focus on the future...a future where we endeavor to debate in good faith? Maybe you can start by mentioning these examples where SJ influence has ruined a game for you...you said a "few games ", can you go into more detail about exactly what and how the game was ruined?. There will be no judgment from me so just be honest?

100 % , I acknowledge that my looks can only exacerbate the fear and mistrust ..but its still NOT FAIR !!!

Yeah, that always makes me laugh if people think you are up to something untoward, like following them, and in fact you are not. I suppose we live in a suspicious culture

Surprised no one's taking that bait, really ? If they do come up with something you'll just mark it as irrelevant as, well, you think so. And then when they have nothing the real reason they dislike SJ, which your laughable last question is on, is to lead them to conclude they are anti-social justice as they are bigots or something. All this "social justice" stuff is pretty funny, more than damaging, when it comes to gaming - sure people (not really players) can whine and stamp their feet over anything (PC is the wrong race, orietnation, not enough of $races[x], etc.). Can be a bit annoying when media groups decide to be zealous about it, like RPS - think of their HoTS interview with Grayson going off on over sexy characters. Hm, I guess the real issue is people not gripping the fact that the game's NPCs aren't real, was one thing I was baffled at when Gamespot had a video on a guy feeling guilty for murdering people in GTA V FP. Then I guess all the crap about inequality in game NPCs flows from there. I'll tell you what Malc, I'll make it even simpler. Forget the word "meaningful" Just give me 3 examples where the SJ narrative has negatively impacted your gaming experience So this means when you start to play a game and suddenly find that SJ influence has changed something that you use to consider part of the entertainment factor of the game So lets say for example killing hookers in GTAV was what you really enjoyed and now Rockstar has removed Hookers, this will lead to a change in your entertainment factor in playing GTAV I want to hear examples like this, no judgement I promise. Because I am honestly battling to find any examples that justify this resistance to aspects of the SJ movement within gaming and how it pertains to games ( because surly this discussion is actually about gaming right and how unintended SJ actions are really effecting our games negatively ? )

It's too bad France never got over the English invasion to rediscover the spirit of Toulouse. If they inherit their political culture and institutions from Edward III of England things are gonna be... difficult. Same bull****. Yet mysteriously in correct English. How odd. Shouldn't that have been a copy-pasted picture of Obama riding a turtle or something? Maybe the translation software is just working properly... But I do agree the nature of the accuracy of Oby's English does seem strangely inconsistent...which then adds to the point that Oby can in fact speak English a lot better than he claims. Which then would reveal he is not being honest about his true identity...will this mystery ever be solved I ask you dear forum members ?

"tap something local " ... Isn't Oceanside where you went to that funky bar with your friend and you took some pics? How far is it from where you stay?

Now I am curious, with this "question" as to what answer you are wanting from them ? Points for dismissing things as non-meaningful as, well, you just say so. I am really disappointed, I asked you guys to give me just 3 examples of how the SJ narrative has negatively impacted your gaming experience and guess what..I get one response from Nonek who seemed to have misunderstood the question instead and gave me examples of what GG has achieved ( looking back at my question I can see how it could be misunderstood as I didn't specify "negatively " ) So I'll ask again, " can you give me three meaningful examples of how the SJ agenda has actually negatively impacted your gaming experience "? It can't be that hard, for nearly a year some of you guys have been highlighting various SJ contradictions and efforts to implement changes in the gaming industry. So now I am asking " well what did these changes actually translate to from a gaming perspective " This should be easy? I am interested to see the real substance behind all this anti-SJ vitriol when it comes to how your gaming experience has really changed as I don't see it? So prove me wrong, how have you become marginalized as a white, male gamer? @ Malc The answer will vary and differ from person to person

mmm....difficult to say. Lets start with the basics, have you updated your drivers ? Then I would describe your experience with the community, on Steam or Rockstar, and see if anyone else has similar experiences ?

Nah, don't block anything... you need to be aware of the profoundly iniquitous nature of the Internet

I know of two people who say they are Russian, Sakai and Redcat, and participate in OT discussion And neither of them appear to be in anyway "anti-Russian ". That's why I asked Oby to actually name the members he is accusing of this behavior

Can you name exactly who you think are paid trolls claiming to be Russian yet are spreading anti-Russian propaganda? Because all I'm seeing is Russian members who are giving a more reasonable perspective about the motives of Putin and also some Russian members who care about SJ issues...so I don't get how you can say this forum is doomed?

Well it is, forums are for collective bashing or praise after all. Not really sensible to wade in to something that annoys you, then whine about it but refrain from taking measures to resolve it. But, again, the conclusion that's left is probably accurate. As for Gamergate doing anything, nahh, all it's done is raise the profile and Patreon donations of Sarkeesian, Wu, Quinn, etc. And I guess given Twitter hounds who want to show how socially aware they are (like Cheong) some meat to get some credibility. But hey at least no one died, people were seriously speaking of ruined lives with this silliness. I tend to agree with this sentiment. Depending on the forum and thread you will generally find support or dislike for one perspective within the SJ narrative, there isn't much middle-ground. The best you can hope for is a semblance of not really objective debate but people at least recognizing a different opinion as possibly valid. But it still doesn't seem to change peoples general stance which is often a disappointment for me...but not a surprise And the reason its not a surprise for me is because you need to break down what people who support GG are really saying. Well at least the people on this forum who support GG Firstly I don't think there are any real bigots on this thread. There are several people who are white, heterosexual males who truly believe that there lifestyle is beset by SJW. Now I need to repeat that for maximum impact " there are people on this thread who believe there lifestyle is beset by SJW". They feel that SJW are hypocrites and say one thing and act another way....and they are always criticizing....always criticizing So that leads me to my next series of questions. This is addressed to everyone who has been actively supporting GG over the last 8 months or so. This includes Nonek, Volo, Meshugger, KP, Fighter, KP, Longknife and Kirottu ( sorry if I left anyone out and of course I welcome all comments ). What would you say now if Leigh Alexander said in regards to the original article " I didn't mean all white, male gamers " ..I only meant " white, male gamers who refuse to accept or believe in transformation". This view is very relevant to the original anger as I see people still raise this as a reason for the general dislike of the SJ narrative. Someone like Nonek still bring this up in his diatribe against SJW and SJF ( an appalling characterization for SJW but I see Nonek still uses it ) and it is justification for support of GG for many people. So what would you now think if Leigh Alexander said " she didn't mean all white male gamers? Can you give me just 3 valid examples of how your gaming experience has changed due to SJ influence...and these examples must be meaningful. So please don't give examples like I don't visit RPS and Polygon anymore because of there biased reviews on GG ( you never visited RPS and Polygon to begin with ) The limerick was edited in PoE ( this makes no change to the actual game ) I don't like the fact there is a call to remove hookers from GTAV...I like killing hookers and any other character in the game with my car ( Rockstar despite the criticism hasn't removed hookers from the game ) So I want 3, just 3, examples of how your gaming experience has been altered due to the SJ narrative. I am going to make a prediction, you guys are going to battle to find 3 meaningful examples because the reality is I don't think they really exist. Most of examples of so called SJ interference is based on nebulous accusations and Twitter comments. But if you think about the actual changes that you guys claim to be opposing I don't see any that are significant ? So if that's true then you guys need to ask some introspective questions to yourselves that should include a simple point " what am I really objecting to" when it comes to opposing the SJ movement ? Lets try to leave the emotion out this debate and deal with the facts and changes in the gaming industry that are really happening and are really diluting your gaming experience ?

Its very reassuring and positive to see some of the ardent support veterans receive in the USA, thats how it should be for people are prepared to risk there lifes for there country

Very funny

Very funny and appropriate, nice one MC