BruceVC

So you want to protect freedom by controlling major private companies? There are a gajillion social media options out there. Twitter will not be at the top forever, and if they make moves that end up making themselves obsolete, they get to hang out with Myspace in the has been pile. Sounds like a win-win. You assume much, chief. I said that Twitter is ****ed in the head for doing this, not that government should control them. Where did you get that silly idea from? My point is that people all over the world where they do not have the freedom to associate and to express themselves are dependent on these platforms, most often american ones since you guys have freedom written into the constitution, and that it is quite troubling, if not very worrysome when companies seems to be hellbent on restricting these very freedoms on the whims of their PR departments. Sure, there are alternatives and new ones will spring up, but i find it a serious issue when this very freedom constantly being pushed around, controlled, and even more serious when people seem to be totally unaware of the consequences of such. Sorry for the belated response but if there are seriously people who would rely on a medium like Twitter for there primary source of information and or direction then unfortunately they would be constantly at a disadvantage as social media is not considered a reliable source of information It was never meant to be that and if you are honest you would realize and accept that So once again to reiterate the point, it makes no substantial difference if Twitter is censored or monitored *sigh* I am surprised you couldn't make a normal response? My points weren't hard to understand ? Everything is clearly answered in the video provided, but as usual you snivel yourself out with non-sequiturs. It doesn't matter what you think about how reliable any social platform is, which is utterly pointless, when the point is that they are the ones that are used whether you like it or not and can be centralized, manipulated or at worst directed, whether you like it or not. OH...okay let me watch it, my bad I assumed it was an annoying joke Oh and the whole " BruceVC you don't ever answer questions " is so " 6 months old BruceVC posting etiquette " Nowadays I try to respond to all questions meaningfully if the person wants to debate in good faith. You are thinking about the old BruceVC from the GG debates where I admitted I had a misunderstanding Okay I watched the whole video. Before I say my next part I don't think I am clever than you and somehow you don't understand certain things ...but we have to accept we all have different life experience that give us certain insight on some matters that others may not have. Lets see this as a positive as it allows us to share information But that video has many, many things that are completely exaggerated and opportunistic. Some things he says are simply not true and he makes numerous false corollaries I can give some examples but only if you really want to have this debate? I also am interested if anyone else on this forum believes what he says ?

Thanks, thats a nice thing to say I'll be honest it doesnt feel like people appreciate me but this is a forum and I have to take some responsibility for some perceptions because I am guilty of being unintentionally condescending and being knowingly condescending at times And end of the day I have to try to be true to my principles and SJ code but that doesn't mean I should now always feel I have to criticize other people "who are in flagrant disregard of the Internet SJ code.,.,,and of course that means all white, male gamers need to change and accept change is coming and they must stop trying to marginalize women and being sexist " That type of patronizing, irritating, unhelpful and exaggerated hyperbole and rhetoric just annoys me now ....I realized a while ago that many aspects of anti-GG was just as bad if not worse than what they claim GG is about And I feel I did initially betray my SJ code by automatically supporting anti-GG and people like Alexander and Anita And yet they are also in contravention of certain fundamental SJ points yet they don't seem to see this and are very happy with the dichotomy that now exists between GG and anti-GG and this rift shouldn't exist if you consider the fact that most people on both sides really the same. They all gamers, developers or other people associated with gaming And yet by playing the sexism and inclusivity card and attacking all white, male gamers and generalizing they forced many people to take sides and feel they had to vociferously support one side or the other And finally who are these people that have become acolytes and or neophytes in this " great struggle for gaming equality " Well they are people like you guys...and who are you really? You just gamers who want to play games and support a beloved hobby and chat on gaming forums. You aren't sexist ....you aren't misogynists. But you are white, male gamers and so what? And yet you have been made to feel like you are part of this historic agenda to discriminate against women. Its not right....they went after easy targets who don't play the SJ game in RL who then sadly played right into there hands with the creation of GG. Ironically GG became exactly what they wanted...something to highlight and vilify as the symbolism of white, male arrogance, resistance and intransigence. Now they have an enemy that even the international media know about, Of course GG hasn't been faultless..the Zoe Quinn incident is deplorable. And the next part you may not like but you guys seem to have some very bad "leaders and spokesmen for GG" People like Milo who just makes things more dramatic and raises tension. He is also manipulating the situation, he also understands the SJ game very well in RL as he has had years to understand how to gain real sympathy due to his sexual orientation and his own trials around how he was subjected to homophobia Suddenly he " is very concerned how gamers are treated" by " an army of sociopathic feminist programmers and campaigners, abetted by achingly politically correct American tech bloggers " ...come on. And many people in GG loved this and immediately supported his position...yet he knows very well how he can gain support from GG by simply taking a certain stand. And he was the one who originally said gamers were " pungent beta male bollock-scratchers and twelve-year-olds' and 'a bit sad" So he is hypocrite, a narcissist and frankly he doens't care how far the rift continues ...as long as some people think he has some relevance and support him for his " honest and shrewd views " he will happily continue to create articles that incite gamers and he will play his fiddle while Rome burns So in summary I stay mostly out of GG and anti-GG because it tainted me for a while and I got distracted from focusing on real SJ in RL

So you want to protect freedom by controlling major private companies? There are a gajillion social media options out there. Twitter will not be at the top forever, and if they make moves that end up making themselves obsolete, they get to hang out with Myspace in the has been pile. Sounds like a win-win. You assume much, chief. I said that Twitter is ****ed in the head for doing this, not that government should control them. Where did you get that silly idea from? My point is that people all over the world where they do not have the freedom to associate and to express themselves are dependent on these platforms, most often american ones since you guys have freedom written into the constitution, and that it is quite troubling, if not very worrysome when companies seems to be hellbent on restricting these very freedoms on the whims of their PR departments. Sure, there are alternatives and new ones will spring up, but i find it a serious issue when this very freedom constantly being pushed around, controlled, and even more serious when people seem to be totally unaware of the consequences of such. Sorry for the belated response but if there are seriously people who would rely on a medium like Twitter for there primary source of information and or direction then unfortunately they would be constantly at a disadvantage as social media is not considered a reliable source of information It was never meant to be that and if you are honest you would realize and accept that So once again to reiterate the point, it makes no substantial difference if Twitter is censored or monitored *sigh* I am surprised you couldn't make a normal response? My points weren't hard to understand ? Everything is clearly answered in the video provided, but as usual you snivel yourself out with non-sequiturs. It doesn't matter what you think about how reliable any social platform is, which is utterly pointless, when the point is that they are the ones that are used whether you like it or not and can be centralized, manipulated or at worst directed, whether you like it or not. OH...okay let me watch it, my bad I assumed it was an annoying joke Oh and the whole " BruceVC you don't ever answer questions " is so " 6 months old BruceVC posting etiquette " Nowadays I try to respond to all questions meaningfully if the person wants to debate in good faith. You are thinking about the old BruceVC from the GG debates where I admitted I had a misunderstanding

Well yes after parties are normal in South Africa, I wasn't having sex with anyone. It was a group of guys and girls, we smoke week, drink alcohol, listen to music and talk **** I like the one girl but I don't know her, I didn't even try to make a move. I will take her out for dinner this week, its just nice to have people around when we are all grieving after the Rugby Oh TN I'm using the edit like you asked, I can see what you meant Oh and I'm surprised but very appreciative that you can see what I was saying. I know I have frustrated you several times in the past where you dont talk to me for a while which is always sad for me because I like your views and find you to be a reasonable person even if we don't always agree So I never really expect you to support me because I know on forums if someone annoys a person that person will just ignore them and typically wont agree with them even they feel they right And also sometimes I just am not sure why people ignore me ....I try to understand but often its a mystery and there are generally a group that always ignores me. But because there are people who generally always respond I tend to focus on that but always enjoy when someone does start talking to me again And I'm not one of those who says things like " I don't care if people dont like me " ...I do care, I want everyone to like me but we have to realistic. Some of my views are considered ...extreme? condescending? incongruous? The point being there will be people who just don't want to engage with me for some reason or the other, its happened at every forum I have ever been on and I feel people have a right to talk to who they want

So you want to protect freedom by controlling major private companies? There are a gajillion social media options out there. Twitter will not be at the top forever, and if they make moves that end up making themselves obsolete, they get to hang out with Myspace in the has been pile. Sounds like a win-win. You assume much, chief. I said that Twitter is ****ed in the head for doing this, not that government should control them. Where did you get that silly idea from? My point is that people all over the world where they do not have the freedom to associate and to express themselves are dependent on these platforms, most often american ones since you guys have freedom written into the constitution, and that it is quite troubling, if not very worrysome when companies seems to be hellbent on restricting these very freedoms on the whims of their PR departments. Sure, there are alternatives and new ones will spring up, but i find it a serious issue when this very freedom constantly being pushed around, controlled, and even more serious when people seem to be totally unaware of the consequences of such. Sorry for the belated response but if there are seriously people who would rely on a medium like Twitter for there primary source of information and or direction then unfortunately they would be constantly at a disadvantage as social media is not considered a reliable source of information It was never meant to be that and if you are honest you would realize and accept that So once again to reiterate the point, it makes no substantial difference if Twitter is censored or monitored *sigh* I am surprised you couldn't make a normal response? My points weren't hard to understand ?

Congratulations, BruceVC, that's the first time you've made me physically cringe. Upping the ante, as always. " physically cringe " ....you make me laugh. Barti our miss our chats I wish you would stop ignoring me, sometimes you say the funniest things...you can be such a drama queen. I don't mind if you only want to insult my posts, I will take whatever interaction you are prepared to offer. You must understand that with all the people I know there are very few people who have your views on certain topics so I like to understand more about what you think about things

Dude there is no doubt you are really weird and really funny....I mean really funny The first time most people will ever talk to you on a forum like this they will think you are some kind of delusional troll...yet you are actually very intelligent and often make valid points and these points are at times ignored because they reveal a stark irrefutable truth that for many people they just can't accept for a number of reasons So classic example of this is how someone will create this post of several detailed and comprehensive criticisms of a game or an aspect of a game, like Qistina in the DA debate...dude you really made me laugh in that discussion , and you will respond with a one or two line disagreement that goes something like " So you hate freedom of expression...you don't accept ideas different to yours. Thats EVIL.....you are guilttty ( and always with your iconic mispelled words and bad grammar ) And as I said you are often right but sometimes you are wrong But I am having an after party now with that lady I met last night and her friends, I showed them your post and they all cracked up with laughter...they think you are a legend. And your post is really funny

That attitude of censoring views that are intransigent and unhelpful to a stable and prosperous society is ironically unhelpful to a stable and prosperous society. Oh you are clever my friend....that may not be true but its definitely worth considering as ultimately it may undermine my utopia society I didn't expect anyone to analyze my post that logically ...you a naughty boy. I am use to people not commenting in these types of exchanges Okay I need to ponder this for a while .... but I promise to reply

Volo in a perfect world where my ideas and views were real I won't lie to you that there would be an element of censorship but this would be purely to remove certain perspectives that are intransigent and unhelpful to a stable and prosperous society You would be banned almost immediately for a 3 month period to give you time to reflect on your nonconstructive comments ...you see I do believe in people finding redemption and changing there ways And I would ban you because you constantly refer to SJW as Nazis and its clear you either have NO clue what the SJ movement is about or you are intentionally being offensive. You do realize the word " Nazi " has serious historical symbolism and it should never be used capriciously And I know everyone on these forums thinks its funny, I also find it funny because its a classic " Volorism " but it has no place in a serious decision. So sorry my friend, and I do like you so its not personal, but you would be definitely censored and have to change your posting etiquette

Yes I see your point but I don't see how it applies to social media like Twitter. Lets take any example, lets say you wanted to learn more about how Syrian refugees are being treated in Hungary...how would you do this? I doubt you would use Twitter and then use comments from Twitter to base your opinion So what is Twitter? Its a completely subjective and unsubstantiated form of communication...so what if they ban certain content. Its shouldn't change meaningful ways to interact or gain input What am I missing that is so serious ?

So you want to protect freedom by controlling major private companies? There are a gajillion social media options out there. Twitter will not be at the top forever, and if they make moves that end up making themselves obsolete, they get to hang out with Myspace in the has been pile. Sounds like a win-win. You assume much, chief. I said that Twitter is ****ed in the head for doing this, not that government should control them. Where did you get that silly idea from? My point is that people all over the world where they do not have the freedom to associate and to express themselves are dependent on these platforms, most often american ones since you guys have freedom written into the constitution, and that it is quite troubling, if not very worrysome when companies seems to be hellbent on restricting these very freedoms on the whims of their PR departments. Sure, there are alternatives and new ones will spring up, but i find it a serious issue when this very freedom constantly being pushed around, controlled, and even more serious when people seem to be totally unaware of the consequences of such. Sorry for the belated response but if there are seriously people who would rely on a medium like Twitter for there primary source of information and or direction then unfortunately they would be constantly at a disadvantage as social media is not considered a reliable source of information It was never meant to be that and if you are honest you would realize and accept that So once again to reiterate the point, it makes no substantial difference if Twitter is censored or monitored

Wow what a game, SA lost 18-20 to NZ but that was Rugby..that was a game None of my friends and family share my sentiment as all they can see is " we lost " but for the first time in the WC we put NZ under real pressure, they missed penalties and the whole game had the right balance of tension where you really not sure who might win Bu well done NZ All we needed was one more penalty and we would won And to add to the overall festivities I had a attractive lady sit next to me randomly, as we watched at a packed sports bar, and her and I hit it off and we meeting up tonight at a club to drown our sorrows with LOADS of alcohol

Dont you think you are egregiously exaggerating....yes Social Media did play a certain part in updating people in some countries around the Arab Spring but it wasn't what implemented the change we saw in some countries. The positive change we did see were people acting and doing things in RL. In other words social media isn't as important or influential as you seem to think 14-15 year olds today do not even watch TV, but rather congregate on snapchat, whatsapp, twitter, and youtube. They are completely dependent on the information 'allowed' on those platforms. If social media is controlled, then so is mainstream social interaction. What, you think organizations reponsible for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) ...do not have a wested interest in this? I am afraid that this pushes anything "unacceptable" into the fringes and we will have more extremists unintensionally among our midst exploding with various attacks because the spectrum is too narrow, all while we have all these governmental institutions experimenting with how to monitor and to control such information. Let people be is simply much to ask, it seems. I understand your concern, I really do. You are worried that the free flow of information on the Internet will be influenced and monitored by organisations or government funded groups that will ultimately censor or control this information and what people will access. I have two points for you to consider Countries like Russia and China already censor and control the Internet in there respective countries ....yet your links seem to be about censorship in the USA and Western countries. Why don't you discuss what is going on in non-Western countries...or do they get a pass ? Programs like Prism will be used to target people that mean harm to the USA, we should be supportive of measures to protect citizens of countries that are potentially targets of cyber attacks and normal homegrown and external terrorist attacks. Don't you feel our governments should do anything reasonable to protect there citizens ? I critisize the US because i hold them to the highest standard and almost every single one of those companies are american. China, Russia and most other countries are in ****-tier when it comes to concepts of freedom and liberty, both culturally and judicially. //edit: Prism is indiscriminate surveillance, which has no basis in any free society. Let me tell you about Russia. Putin's favorite thing to do is to point out all the dirty hypocrisies of the "western" world. Something he does very deftly. It becomes very hard to hold US or anyone as an example when they do stupid things. Okay boys good points raised, it just gets a little frustrating at times because I see all this real inequality and lack of respect for human rights in many places in the world yet all we seem to do is criticize the West But I get the point that we should certain countries to a higher standard

Dont you think you are egregiously exaggerating....yes Social Media did play a certain part in updating people in some countries around the Arab Spring but it wasn't what implemented the change we saw in some countries. The positive change we did see were people acting and doing things in RL. In other words social media isn't as important or influential as you seem to think 14-15 year olds today do not even watch TV, but rather congregate on snapchat, whatsapp, twitter, and youtube. They are completely dependent on the information 'allowed' on those platforms. If social media is controlled, then so is mainstream social interaction. What, you think organizations reponsible for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) ...do not have a wested interest in this? I am afraid that this pushes anything "unacceptable" into the fringes and we will have more extremists unintensionally among our midst exploding with various attacks because the spectrum is too narrow, all while we have all these governmental institutions experimenting with how to monitor and to control such information. Let people be is simply much to ask, it seems. I understand your concern, I really do. You are worried that the free flow of information on the Internet will be influenced and monitored by organisations or government funded groups that will ultimately censor or control this information and what people will access. I have two points for you to consider Countries like Russia and China already censor and control the Internet in there respective countries ....yet your links seem to be about censorship in the USA and Western countries. Why don't you discuss what is going on in non-Western countries...or do they get a pass ? Programs like Prism will be used to target people that mean harm to the USA, we should be supportive of measures to protect citizens of countries that are potentially targets of cyber attacks and normal homegrown and external terrorist attacks. Don't you feel our governments should do anything reasonable to protect there citizens ?

Okay I have to say that was one of the funniest and relevant things I have seen in ages, very funny

Yeah...I do find the words " morally correct " difficult to quantify in a gaming context

I do think more Federal influence in the states in a place like the USA is a good thing but not as extreme as you are describing....you are also exaggerating

Dont you think you are egregiously exaggerating....yes Social Media did play a certain part in updating people in some countries around the Arab Spring but it wasn't what implemented the change we saw in some countries. The positive change we did see were people acting and doing things in RL. In other words social media isn't as important or influential as you seem to think

That's funny....how is he going to do that ?

Also you guys lost the battle in the media for support for GG ages ago, this was basically an irrefutable fact when CNN had that documentary about how "sexist and diabolical " GG was So naturally most people in government, celebrities or prominent person in the social limelight who knows anything about GG will be opposed to it ...as it is seen as a fundamentally sexist\misogynistic movement that very few people outside of gaming will publicly support because no one wants to be seen as sexist or misogynistic I think this is unfair as some of the views of GG are biased and one sided,.,,but when you don't control the media narrative or you can't resonate your message with the media you cant expect to get completely objective reporting ?

Oh no...I like Defiance

Good point raised...its just more of symbolic consideration if you think about what its saying " Hi World, I'm the new Canadian PM and I'm pulling Canada out of the multinational force that is fighting a global, ostensibly, threat which happens to be ISIS " The truth is I don't believe ISIS is a global threat but it has been positioned that way so the expectations from certain countries is the same

What !!! Why would he do that...doesn't he want to part of the international military coalition in the ME And if Canada gets attacked by extremists linked to ISIS is he now going to ask for USA assistance? Its a slippery slope Trudeau walks.....we all need to do our part

Yeah....that Scotland game and that penalty decision was harsh and now we know was the wrong decision. But sometimes thats how the game goes..but now the big one, NZ vs SA I would be foolish to say I don't think NZ are the favorites, you guys are like this unstoppable Rugby juggernaut But many factors can influence a game at this level. Like pressure and the expectation that " team x must win...how can they not win " So of course we are all very much behind SA for Saturday. I also want to add that after our disastrous lose to Japan we have already recovered our pride so to lose to NZ will not be a disgrace ( and I'm not assuming we will lose, I am just being realistic )

Heh, you're right. My new nerd watch made me forget etiquette. I had the lunch special, standard fare, but the taste was superb. Matched by a Ballast Point Grunion Pale Ale draft ... only one, since, you know, it was noon. http://www.craftburgerco.com/about-us.html Nice, a relatively small selection but some yummy choices I like the idea of the "chef's seasonal burger creation" ...that looks very interesting