BruceVC

Okay what didn't I answer, I explained the photos arent enough....they just photos?

No...they even mention later on in the article that there is no definitive link between the oil and Erdogan the officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied You see anyone who is anti-Western like Drowsy and Zora would want this to be true, this would have serious ramifications for Tiurkey. They would be suspended from NATO and the West would completely cut them out from the campaign against ISIS Whoever has been buying the oil from ISIS is responsible for sustaining them...meaning also responsible for all the carnage and mayhem. Its a very serious accusation....but I don't believe Erdogan would be so stupid, sure people within his country maybe ...but not him? Man I am pro-west and I want to get Turkey out of NATO and EU. I can hardly believe that there are thousands of trucks stuffed with oil on Turkey border and they dont know about them? seriously, you cant believe that No my friend you see you want Turkey to join the EU, its best for everyone if the EU integrates a Muslim country. Dont take this the wrong way but one thing this thread has taught me is many of guys have no experience with meeting normal moderate Muslims Also you don't want the EU to be seen as a " white man only club" . Letting Turkey in will make no difference, white people will still be in charge and make the decisions ...so don't see this as an attack on your culture

No...they even mention later on in the article that there is no definitive link between the oil and Erdogan the officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied You see anyone who is anti-Western like Drowsy and Zora would want this to be true, this would have serious ramifications for Tiurkey. They would be suspended from NATO and the West would completely cut them out from the campaign against ISIS Whoever has been buying the oil from ISIS is responsible for sustaining them...meaning also responsible for all the carnage and mayhem. Its a very serious accusation....but I don't believe Erdogan would be so stupid, sure people within his country maybe ...but not him?

And just to be clear which Muslim countries have apologized to what Western countries ....seriously I know none ?

Gfted1 dont believe the Turkish government was involved unless there is proof...but Russia is being really vindictive ..they even played the old " Turkish president's son heads one of the biggest energy companies, or that his son has been appointed energy minister. What a marvellous family business! "

Yeah nations are created and divided. We were part of HRE, then Austria-Hungaria, then SSSR - choose what you like. Well I can do it for you: Ohh those evil Islamists. We were part of our beutifull HRE and then Ottomans come and break it and now I am no longer HRE, bee, I want to be citizen on HRE again, evil Ottomans bee Well, i am not Ottoman, but i know you are agressive because i am Muslim, and you say Muslims are Ottoman, isn't it? I say "the west" because it is really the WEST who messed up with us in the past...specifically Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish and English... I dont think I am more aggresive than you are and I am not using Islamists because you are muslim, I am using it in same way you are using 'west' term. I suppose you are not using 'west' term because I am atheis/christian? My advice is you guys should avoid debating...you will misunderstand each other

Chillloutman what she is saying is complicated but also true ....but its hard to understand if you didn't live in country that practiced Colonialism like me I know what she means I live in country that was 40 years under communist regime of different state, we get out in 1990 from it, I think I know what I am talking about No its not the same I'll try to explain because I can see how you may think it is Colonialism stripped people of any identity or feeling of purpose. It was also implemented initially against nations that were living very simple but happy lives Communism was forced on you and it was terrible but it was suppose to be about equality ... it was not a reality where you were treated as not even human

Chillloutman what she is saying is complicated but also true ....but its hard to understand if you didn't live in country that practiced Colonialism like me I know what she means

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work? Aaaah don't play that game...if you know about colonizations then you know what i am talking about... There used to be a time where my people depend on British almost as if withoout the British we will lost, working with white masters is a guarantee of life...become your servant, your ghurka, polishing your shoes, open the door, carrying your stuff, and say "yes mem...yes sir...", working in your plantations and mines in our land, working in your companies in our own land...this is the life of us Malays under your "western education"... Do not pretend you don't know what you done to indegenious peoples around the world... Yes of course I understand what Colonialism means Sadly I had family member who were involved in Apartheid And yes Colonialism was a terrible system that mistreated many people. But I'm still not sure what you would like the UK to do now ? If its justice you are after the West has bled and suffered immensely during WW1 and WW2 But seriously what would you like from the West? I just want the west admit your crimes in the past and making an open apology... This is post-liberation Malays...see what you done to us...? What i mean is, if you fear your western values gone because of refugees in your country, i say it is "karma"....you will change like you changed us... Yes I understand this but for reasons of expected reparation the West can't apologize or admit it was wrong in a case of Malaysia But I'll apologize, sorry. My advice is you don't need an apology to find your identity?

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work? Aaaah don't play that game...if you know about colonizations then you know what i am talking about... There used to be a time where my people depend on British almost as if withoout the British we will lost, working with white masters is a guarantee of life...become your servant, your ghurka, polishing your shoes, open the door, carrying your stuff, and say "yes mem...yes sir...", working in your plantations and mines in our land, working in your companies in our own land...this is the life of us Malays under your "western education"... Do not pretend you don't know what you done to indegenious peoples around the world... Yes of course I understand what Colonialism means Sadly I had family member who were involved in Apartheid And yes Colonialism was a terrible system that mistreated many people. But I'm still not sure what you would like the UK to do now ? If its justice you are after the West has bled and suffered immensely during WW1 and WW2 But seriously what would you like from the West?

Man learn to quote, no-one wants to read wall of text which are no longer integral to disscussion bellow Good point but can you answer the actual question

Thank for sharing I am learning a lot , is Slovakian language the same as Czech? Very Close, we can understand each other without problem (well, if you are not too young) Why did your countries separate ? By greedy politicians in 1993, but without war, which would not be possible in many of the "civilized" countries They just signed some papers, and we became two states. Actually Slovaks were very nationalist (after czechs invested tons of money to industrialise them ) but no hard feelings from Czech side, town were I live is full of Slovaks because of better job opportunities and univeristies. We are like brothers and sisters who like to tease each other from time to time Well it was only the typical "loud minority" Led by V. Meciar and J.Slota and their "nationalistic" rhetoric because they wanted to get their corrupt hands on privatizing the fruits of the said industrialization :-/ Lot of common people at that time prefered loose federation over separate states :-/ This is interesting, do you see now when you are faced with a perceived threat like Islamic extremism that actually challengers your entire culture how similar you are ? In other words you are family

No you are wrong there, I am a white English person but I was born in Africa so I know a lot about Colonialism When were your people begging for work?

Thank for sharing I am learning a lot , is Slovakian language the same as Czech? Very Close, we can understand each other without problem (well, if you are not too young) Why did your countries separate ?

When you make posts like this I think you are trolling because this has been discussed at length The West allows Muslims to practice freedom of religion and be Muslim . Why would you battle to maintain to be Malay or Muslim, do you mean living in Malaysia ? The West won't force women to wear a hijab ...we have no codes around dress and that will stay like that unless Western governments lose elections to conservative ones

Thank for sharing I am learning a lot , is Slovakian language the same as Czech?

So would you feel your country would accept say 20,000 Turkish refugees ?

How do you guys feel about Turks from a historical East European perspective ?

Sure, I will

This is relevant and impacts most of us @ TN Just to be clear why was the last thread closed? We were discussing crime in the EU and the impact the refugees have on this

Well, anyone with a life threatening illness is deserving of sympathy even if they are somewhat responsible for what happened. It's pretty crass of her to not realize that. I'm not sure what apartheid has to do with it though. That was a s----y thing to be sure but I don't see the connection with AIDS and it is over now. Remember this one truth Bruce, as----es are born that way and can't help it. Don't bother getting mad ay them, just avoid them. Yeah...the thing is those types of comments I just can't leave. How can she be so completely unsympathetic and dismissive about a virus that can impact all people ....it was so utterly selfish and ignorant

Yes I was looking at the last column

I am not trying to come across as boastful but my initial assessment was right about crime being slightly higher in East European countries

Guys I want to tell you something about just how dysfunctional some white South Africans .....despite the fact its 21 years since Apartheid ended Since yesterday was World Aids Day and in South Africa we have 6 million people on AV drugs as they have HIV this is a day where we discuss HIV and we look at the stigma in society. Anyway on this one talk show they had this young black guy, 24, who had HIV and was discussing how he caught it, he was promiscuous, and what he deals with in society and how there is discrimination in some areas So this white women phones and says " does your guest expect me to feel sorry for him " She was 58 and after living through Apartheid she still somehow feels that the only responsible thing to say is to phone in and basically try to humiliate a young black person who has HIV....like 6 million other people I was so angry, I phoned in and really was critical about her

WOD if you could chose to kick-out any states from the USA who would they be? The blue states in the map above, but mostly California and New York, that's where all the evil comes from. http://www.newgeography.com/content/005110-jerry-brown-s-insufferable-green-piety "These fans miss a big part of the reality. Outsiders think of California as a prosperous place that mints billionaires, but overall the state’s economic recovery has done little for many, if not most, state residents. Even with the boom in Silicon Valley, roughly one in three Californians live check to check, the state has higher rate of poverty than Mississippi, as well as one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients. Among the emerging Latino majority, a prime Brown constituency, the state’s cost-adjusted poverty rate is more than 33 percent, compared to just 22.7 percent in Texas, a state often derided as unenlightened and cruel." "Of course, there’s a long history of such bifurcated society, where people tend to stay in their class and the poor depend largely on handouts from their spiritual “betters.” It’s called feudalism." So may be KP was right about feudalism. Shame WOD ....but won't you miss the erudite and liberal views of your Californian brethren Funny enough its very healthy and expected to have a level of rivalry between states, you are made stronger by your differences