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Funny enough I was listening to some Rugby journalists commenting how its the first time in ages its been a Southern hemisphere semi-Final only This is not good for Rugby development as you want a mix of teams from both hemispheres in the interests of broadcaster revenue and ensuring decent sponsorship...in other words there is less global interest if its only Southern hemisphere teams

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Okay fair enough, I didn't realize you considered this the worst thing ever said So we do see this whole thing in a slightly different way

I can not believe you just said all that. 1. What is expected is a bare minimum. Stay quiet, if you can't be sympathetic. 2. The authenticity of their beliefs excuses nothing. Some people believe you need to have your head cut off because you don't believe what they believe. To them it's a serious thing too. This is not a conversation reasonable people should even be having. I will not treat anyone who gloats at a man with a terminal disease over some petty internet squabbles as anything other than a piece of sh*t. I will also at this point not entertain the arguments to the supposed seriousness of anything John Bain has ever done that would deserve such treatment under any context due to their abject lunacy. Would you say this incident has worsened your opinion of anti-GG..,..did you use to respect them and now find you can't ? So my point being you have never held them in any way except for contempt so I guess I'm surprised with all this " new vitriol " ?

Yes I know you battle to empathize with some events but feeling you have to empathize now because some nameless anti-GG rabble have insulted TB because they think he is a **** seems like a waste of empathy energy ? And ISIS is much worse...much worse. Its actually silly to even compare the two as ISIS acts on there hatred and people die because of it You misunderstand, I don't empathize with TB because some internet rabble attacked him because I know that doesn't phase him. My empathy for TB and his disease, and my condemnation of their lack of empathy are seperate things. As for ISIS being worse or not, I'd say a lack of education and empathy are the sick festering core of ISIS as they are the sick festering core of these people (and to be fair, this applies just the same to those who hurled death threats at Quinn and Sarkeesian). The only difference is how far the society they live in has enabled them to go. You overstate the difference. Hatred is hatred. "Militant" is a word applied to some of these people for a reason - and sooner or later every militant organization dreams of their own Kristalnacht, whether they realize that is what it is or they pretend it's "liberation". Do you think ISIS believe themselves to be evil? How do you judge a young man who by his upbringing, environment and indoctrination truly believes he is doing the right thing, sacrificing his life because he has no choice but to destroy evil for the good of the world, as he straps a bomb to his chest? I would condemn that man's ignorance and hatred and that of those around him... but I would respect him more than someone from a civilized country who celebrates the painful death of a human being they dislike because he said some bad words on the internet. To be so ignorant and hateful in the civilized world seems worse to me than anything ISIS does, even if the effects are not worse. Okay yes I did misunderstand you, my bad But TN we still shouldn't try to compare ISIS with any online group similar to anti-GG. You are doing a real disservice to the thousands of victims and all the real misery and horror ISIS has inflicted on people and countries There are many educated people from Western countries who have joined ISIS due to the real ideological sympathies so we can't play the old " well ISIS recruits uneducated people ". Its known they have an effective Internet presence and active in social media....all this requires intelligence I don't care what ISIS thinks of themselves, they are a barbaric and reprehensible organisation that justifies complete religious intolerance, beheadings, mass killings, crucifixions and systemic rape. ISIS does use some suicide bombers but there real danger has always been they have a force of men that are prepared to engage in combat ..they also have a known " ISIS controlled region " so they are like a country of hatred for anything that isn't Sunni Muslim Anti-GG is nothing like this. They are just a presence on some parts of the Internet , I understand you are trying to make a comparison as you appalled by the comments but this analogy is a bad one ...and not accurate in almost any way

Issues with Steph or just personal stuff?

The All Blacks are definitely the favorites and its well deserved but they can be beaten

Yes I know you battle to empathize with some events but feeling you have to empathize now because some nameless anti-GG rabble have insulted TB because they think he is a **** seems like a waste of empathy energy ? And ISIS is much worse...much worse. Its actually silly to even compare the two as ISIS acts on there hatred and people die because of it

When someone is facing what TB is facing it goes well and far beyond general internet nastiness. It's either extraordinary ignorance and stupidity or those people are genuinely and truly scum of the earth. So ignorant yes, insensitive yes but not as bad as scum of the earth. These guys felt that TB had been involved in shaming and humiliating women, for some people this is a serious thing to do. So for them they felt that TB was a bad person and they genuinely believe he encouraged hate. Were they right....highly unlikely. Did they believe this...probably. So if you really dislike someone why would you be concerned if they suddenly told you they had a terminal disease?

But there is a difference, I know and respect Quinn and what she went through, so yes I would care I don't like or support Anita anymore so I would also stay out of it I don't know TB, I don't think I have ever read one of his links so he has no identity for me? Come again? But anyhow, it's ok to downplay suffering and be callous when you haven't established an identity for the victim. Updated my SJWmorals.txt. Sorry I meant I have followed her and her trials and tribulations But Meshugger I want to give you and others some advice and please just assume its true and believe it, I'm not being condescending but rather want to help you guys understand this whole anti-GG better You can dislike people like Anita and Alexander and that is perfectly understandable but Quinn needs to be treated differently and with more empathy. Yes she ultimately probably gained from it and is now more famous but how her personal life became the wet dream of many gamers needs to be criticised and lets just show her the respect she deserves And yes human beings generally don't feel real mourning and sorrow unless they personally know the victims...look at how you guys have embraced the Syrians despite there hardships. So we don't need to pretend we feel sorrow for people that we don't identify with

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But there is a difference, I know and respect Quinn and what she went through, so yes I would care I don't like or support Anita anymore so I would also stay out of it I don't know TB, I don't think I have ever read one of his links so he has no identity for me? Then why are you even commenting on it? I don't know the guy either, but I sympathize with anyone dealing with cancer. However it really isn't my place to comment on it because I am not familiar with his work, and would rather leave that to his fans. Have some decorum. Well yes I am trying to stay out of it but people want me to comment, I obviously know who he is but I have never followed him And my original comment wasnt about him but rather the comments from those anti-GG guys. And I simply stated people shouldn't get upset about what they said but inevitably this debate forces you to also discuss TB...so it can't be ignored about of politeness

But there is a difference, I know and respect Quinn and what she went through, so yes I would care I don't like or support Anita anymore so I would also stay out of it I don't know TB, I don't think I have ever read one of his links so he has no identity for me?

What context makes it okay to want someone dead whose biggest crime is that people "revile" him on the internet? I mean common, its the internet. Pretty much anyone of note announces they're going to die there's some **** waiting to post anonymously about how glad they are they're dying. But in this case you seem to be saying you're perfectly okay with people wishing death and experiencing glee over same just because they annoyed some electrons in a way that annoyed you. Seems a bit...out of proportion, maybe? Yeah it may seem strange my indifference but it has a valid reason This is not about TB, this is about the level of debate between people like that and other ideologues on GG. You are trying to rationalize a normal response from me but how can I when nothing people like that say matters as its not based on normal thinking So I'm not going to pretend to show shock for something thats not real...its like they tainted and irrational...I'm not going to give them any recognition Saying "I'm glad he's dying" isn't indifference, which you claim capability of. What does the level of debate - or even whether they're ideologues or not - when a person says they're dying, unless you're arguing that you don't think he's dying and he's doing this as some sort of bid for sympathy which still warrants the question of why anyone saying "I'm glad he's dying" is considered good form? But I'm not saying "I'm glad he is dying ", I am saying certain anti-GG people are saying that and I'm not prepared to condemn them because that would mean I believe this type of exchange has relevance Look I can see what you trying to make me see, it does seem like I'm being difficult over what should be a display of reasonable criticism from me. But I really don't get involved at all in GG...so I have no idea of the real background around why they said it ? I don't know TB at all....I know who he is. Of course I personally feel bad for his diagnosis but I am not going to start involving myself or my personal time in this circus again. The majority of people on both sides have no real interest in proper SJ causes and just pay lip service so I spend time elsewhere

What context makes it okay to want someone dead whose biggest crime is that people "revile" him on the internet? I mean common, its the internet. Pretty much anyone of note announces they're going to die there's some **** waiting to post anonymously about how glad they are they're dying. But in this case you seem to be saying you're perfectly okay with people wishing death and experiencing glee over same just because they annoyed some electrons in a way that annoyed you. Seems a bit...out of proportion, maybe? Yeah it may seem strange my indifference but it has a valid reason This is not about TB, this is about the level of debate between people like that and other ideologues on GG. You are trying to rationalize a normal response from me but how can I when nothing people like that say matters as its not based on normal thinking So I'm not going to pretend to show shock for something thats not real...its like they tainted and irrational...I'm not going to give them any recognition

Yeah I agree...its like now someone has said something REALLY nasty...but the truth is its all just words and people who are bitter. And TB knows the rules and the reality of his world. This is how it goes Still, to find pleasure in someones inevitable death is a new low, even for a SJW. They prove time and again how disconnected from reality they are. Come now, lets try to have an honest discussion. You guys don't care about what SJ stands for on the Internet , you label it all as SJW as an insult And I'm fine with that because I understand how for years white, male gamers have been the target of a level of criticism that in some cases really was unfair. And how have you guys dealt with it, everyone is a SJW ...its just easier that way instead of having to rationalize the criticism. But where I'm going with this is those guys arent SJW or even SJ interested..they anti-GG which has become its own label I'm someone who cares about SJ issues but in RL not on the Internet

Yeah I agree...its like now someone has said something REALLY nasty...but the truth is its all just words and people who are bitter. And TB knows the rules and the reality of his world. This is how it goes

Slight over exaggeration, and slight overestimation of how much thought most people actually put into the internet. You get that sort of thing for sports stars getting injured, people actually dying and all sorts in between; doesn't mean they're Iosef Dugashvili reborn it just means that they're a muppet. The internet warrior of 2015 would soil themselves repeatedly and hide under the bed for days if they got the slightest inkling of actual Civil War Russia. You funny Zora, you know the door to the camp of " Western culture is best " is still open any time for you to join us We don't judge people who have misplaced views of the West, especially when they as bright as you

The same kind of people were the probably assistants for the Commissars during the Red Terror of 1917-1922. Meaning that they were too much of cowards to actually get their hands dirty, but happily distributed the letters that ordered the executions with great glees on their faces and cheered to themselves back home as finally all of Russia could experience the same pain as they felt about their own self-worth. Guys does this type of behavior really bother you? I mean TB is really only a "minor " Internet celebrity who has his supporters but clearly is also seen as a supporter of GG which means he would be reviled. I would also be saying " I am glad he is dying ' if I was a committed anti-GG. Its just words on the Internet...it means nothing especially in this context There is no decorum and decency left in the GG debate, people on both sides have no issue with any kind of vitriol....so I'm not sure why this seems like such a shock? This was one of the main reasons I left this debate, apart from the mistake I made in the beginning with supporting one side automatically, I realized I was wasting time with Internet debates around perceived SJ issues with people who actually didn't really care about SJ issues....

But you have a very strange view of American interventionism....you dont believe the USA should ever intervene in other countries it seems unless the USA is directly threatened ? Thats a little irresponsible I would think So? What does that have to do with anything? Sorry I didn't explain part of my point, I meant to add if the USA followed your view very few people would be annoyed or criticize the USA...it may seem ideal But the world would be a darker place ....a much more benighted and fractured place to live. And there would be much more tension and dictators ruling various regions.

Can I ask you a question, I have to be honest I don't understand how you can live in the USA but not like your country? I am probably misunderstanding you ?Because there is a lot to dislike. Off the top of my head: 1) I don't like being spied on by an increasingly authoritarian state. 2) I don't like the power private corporations wield, such as getting laws made that benefit them at the expense of people such as TPP or PIPA. 3) I don't like having money taken from me to support foreign wars and drone assassination. 4) I don't like the political process being blatantly controlled by corporate powers and billionaires. 5) I don't like the tendency to intervene in other countries, usually leaving them worse off, while abandoning citizens here. Sounds very... libertarian. Better watch out KP, Barack Obama will start to think you are a likely domestic terrorist and order you killed by a drone. Stop it GD ..KP already has issues with the government, please don't add to it

Why would the fact that criticism came from a foreigner make it any less valid? Any input they have is welcome far as I'm concerned. But you have a very strange view of American interventionism....you dont believe the USA should ever intervene in other countries it seems unless the USA is directly threatened ? Thats a little irresponsible I would think

It's hot and there's too many flies. "Not criticizing your own country " ....that definitely isn't something that people can say about you hey my friend