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I do think more Federal influence in the states in a place like the USA is a good thing but not as extreme as you are describing....you are also exaggerating

Dont you think you are egregiously exaggerating....yes Social Media did play a certain part in updating people in some countries around the Arab Spring but it wasn't what implemented the change we saw in some countries. The positive change we did see were people acting and doing things in RL. In other words social media isn't as important or influential as you seem to think

That's funny....how is he going to do that ?

Also you guys lost the battle in the media for support for GG ages ago, this was basically an irrefutable fact when CNN had that documentary about how "sexist and diabolical " GG was So naturally most people in government, celebrities or prominent person in the social limelight who knows anything about GG will be opposed to it ...as it is seen as a fundamentally sexist\misogynistic movement that very few people outside of gaming will publicly support because no one wants to be seen as sexist or misogynistic I think this is unfair as some of the views of GG are biased and one sided,.,,but when you don't control the media narrative or you can't resonate your message with the media you cant expect to get completely objective reporting ?

Oh no...I like Defiance

Good point raised...its just more of symbolic consideration if you think about what its saying " Hi World, I'm the new Canadian PM and I'm pulling Canada out of the multinational force that is fighting a global, ostensibly, threat which happens to be ISIS " The truth is I don't believe ISIS is a global threat but it has been positioned that way so the expectations from certain countries is the same

What !!! Why would he do that...doesn't he want to part of the international military coalition in the ME And if Canada gets attacked by extremists linked to ISIS is he now going to ask for USA assistance? Its a slippery slope Trudeau walks.....we all need to do our part

Yeah....that Scotland game and that penalty decision was harsh and now we know was the wrong decision. But sometimes thats how the game goes..but now the big one, NZ vs SA I would be foolish to say I don't think NZ are the favorites, you guys are like this unstoppable Rugby juggernaut But many factors can influence a game at this level. Like pressure and the expectation that " team x must win...how can they not win " So of course we are all very much behind SA for Saturday. I also want to add that after our disastrous lose to Japan we have already recovered our pride so to lose to NZ will not be a disgrace ( and I'm not assuming we will lose, I am just being realistic )

Heh, you're right. My new nerd watch made me forget etiquette. I had the lunch special, standard fare, but the taste was superb. Matched by a Ballast Point Grunion Pale Ale draft ... only one, since, you know, it was noon. http://www.craftburgerco.com/about-us.html Nice, a relatively small selection but some yummy choices I like the idea of the "chef's seasonal burger creation" ...that looks very interesting

Welcome to the forum...we love new members Remember to always support SJ causes and remember the West is your friend and Capitalism is not all bad

And......you know the rule? What burger or meal did you have, do share the details

Funny enough I was listening to some Rugby journalists commenting how its the first time in ages its been a Southern hemisphere semi-Final only This is not good for Rugby development as you want a mix of teams from both hemispheres in the interests of broadcaster revenue and ensuring decent sponsorship...in other words there is less global interest if its only Southern hemisphere teams

The latest season of American Horror Story is out, its looking very good so far...Vampires and Lady Gaga. Could we ask for more

Okay fair enough, I didn't realize you considered this the worst thing ever said So we do see this whole thing in a slightly different way

I can not believe you just said all that. 1. What is expected is a bare minimum. Stay quiet, if you can't be sympathetic. 2. The authenticity of their beliefs excuses nothing. Some people believe you need to have your head cut off because you don't believe what they believe. To them it's a serious thing too. This is not a conversation reasonable people should even be having. I will not treat anyone who gloats at a man with a terminal disease over some petty internet squabbles as anything other than a piece of sh*t. I will also at this point not entertain the arguments to the supposed seriousness of anything John Bain has ever done that would deserve such treatment under any context due to their abject lunacy. Would you say this incident has worsened your opinion of anti-GG..,..did you use to respect them and now find you can't ? So my point being you have never held them in any way except for contempt so I guess I'm surprised with all this " new vitriol " ?

Yes I know you battle to empathize with some events but feeling you have to empathize now because some nameless anti-GG rabble have insulted TB because they think he is a **** seems like a waste of empathy energy ? And ISIS is much worse...much worse. Its actually silly to even compare the two as ISIS acts on there hatred and people die because of it You misunderstand, I don't empathize with TB because some internet rabble attacked him because I know that doesn't phase him. My empathy for TB and his disease, and my condemnation of their lack of empathy are seperate things. As for ISIS being worse or not, I'd say a lack of education and empathy are the sick festering core of ISIS as they are the sick festering core of these people (and to be fair, this applies just the same to those who hurled death threats at Quinn and Sarkeesian). The only difference is how far the society they live in has enabled them to go. You overstate the difference. Hatred is hatred. "Militant" is a word applied to some of these people for a reason - and sooner or later every militant organization dreams of their own Kristalnacht, whether they realize that is what it is or they pretend it's "liberation". Do you think ISIS believe themselves to be evil? How do you judge a young man who by his upbringing, environment and indoctrination truly believes he is doing the right thing, sacrificing his life because he has no choice but to destroy evil for the good of the world, as he straps a bomb to his chest? I would condemn that man's ignorance and hatred and that of those around him... but I would respect him more than someone from a civilized country who celebrates the painful death of a human being they dislike because he said some bad words on the internet. To be so ignorant and hateful in the civilized world seems worse to me than anything ISIS does, even if the effects are not worse. Okay yes I did misunderstand you, my bad But TN we still shouldn't try to compare ISIS with any online group similar to anti-GG. You are doing a real disservice to the thousands of victims and all the real misery and horror ISIS has inflicted on people and countries There are many educated people from Western countries who have joined ISIS due to the real ideological sympathies so we can't play the old " well ISIS recruits uneducated people ". Its known they have an effective Internet presence and active in social media....all this requires intelligence I don't care what ISIS thinks of themselves, they are a barbaric and reprehensible organisation that justifies complete religious intolerance, beheadings, mass killings, crucifixions and systemic rape. ISIS does use some suicide bombers but there real danger has always been they have a force of men that are prepared to engage in combat ..they also have a known " ISIS controlled region " so they are like a country of hatred for anything that isn't Sunni Muslim Anti-GG is nothing like this. They are just a presence on some parts of the Internet , I understand you are trying to make a comparison as you appalled by the comments but this analogy is a bad one ...and not accurate in almost any way

Issues with Steph or just personal stuff?

The All Blacks are definitely the favorites and its well deserved but they can be beaten

Yes I know you battle to empathize with some events but feeling you have to empathize now because some nameless anti-GG rabble have insulted TB because they think he is a **** seems like a waste of empathy energy ? And ISIS is much worse...much worse. Its actually silly to even compare the two as ISIS acts on there hatred and people die because of it

When someone is facing what TB is facing it goes well and far beyond general internet nastiness. It's either extraordinary ignorance and stupidity or those people are genuinely and truly scum of the earth. So ignorant yes, insensitive yes but not as bad as scum of the earth. These guys felt that TB had been involved in shaming and humiliating women, for some people this is a serious thing to do. So for them they felt that TB was a bad person and they genuinely believe he encouraged hate. Were they right....highly unlikely. Did they believe this...probably. So if you really dislike someone why would you be concerned if they suddenly told you they had a terminal disease?

But there is a difference, I know and respect Quinn and what she went through, so yes I would care I don't like or support Anita anymore so I would also stay out of it I don't know TB, I don't think I have ever read one of his links so he has no identity for me? Come again? But anyhow, it's ok to downplay suffering and be callous when you haven't established an identity for the victim. Updated my SJWmorals.txt. Sorry I meant I have followed her and her trials and tribulations But Meshugger I want to give you and others some advice and please just assume its true and believe it, I'm not being condescending but rather want to help you guys understand this whole anti-GG better You can dislike people like Anita and Alexander and that is perfectly understandable but Quinn needs to be treated differently and with more empathy. Yes she ultimately probably gained from it and is now more famous but how her personal life became the wet dream of many gamers needs to be criticised and lets just show her the respect she deserves And yes human beings generally don't feel real mourning and sorrow unless they personally know the victims...look at how you guys have embraced the Syrians despite there hardships. So we don't need to pretend we feel sorrow for people that we don't identify with

Okay huge game today for South Africa, we wont underestimate Wales but we should win I am watching at a very festive spot at a casino, its called a Bok Village, food and loads of alcohol will be flowing http://www.absaboktown.co.za/Venues/Silverstar-Casino.aspx

But there is a difference, I know and respect Quinn and what she went through, so yes I would care I don't like or support Anita anymore so I would also stay out of it I don't know TB, I don't think I have ever read one of his links so he has no identity for me? Then why are you even commenting on it? I don't know the guy either, but I sympathize with anyone dealing with cancer. However it really isn't my place to comment on it because I am not familiar with his work, and would rather leave that to his fans. Have some decorum. Well yes I am trying to stay out of it but people want me to comment, I obviously know who he is but I have never followed him And my original comment wasnt about him but rather the comments from those anti-GG guys. And I simply stated people shouldn't get upset about what they said but inevitably this debate forces you to also discuss TB...so it can't be ignored about of politeness

But there is a difference, I know and respect Quinn and what she went through, so yes I would care I don't like or support Anita anymore so I would also stay out of it I don't know TB, I don't think I have ever read one of his links so he has no identity for me?

What context makes it okay to want someone dead whose biggest crime is that people "revile" him on the internet? I mean common, its the internet. Pretty much anyone of note announces they're going to die there's some **** waiting to post anonymously about how glad they are they're dying. But in this case you seem to be saying you're perfectly okay with people wishing death and experiencing glee over same just because they annoyed some electrons in a way that annoyed you. Seems a bit...out of proportion, maybe? Yeah it may seem strange my indifference but it has a valid reason This is not about TB, this is about the level of debate between people like that and other ideologues on GG. You are trying to rationalize a normal response from me but how can I when nothing people like that say matters as its not based on normal thinking So I'm not going to pretend to show shock for something thats not real...its like they tainted and irrational...I'm not going to give them any recognition Saying "I'm glad he's dying" isn't indifference, which you claim capability of. What does the level of debate - or even whether they're ideologues or not - when a person says they're dying, unless you're arguing that you don't think he's dying and he's doing this as some sort of bid for sympathy which still warrants the question of why anyone saying "I'm glad he's dying" is considered good form? But I'm not saying "I'm glad he is dying ", I am saying certain anti-GG people are saying that and I'm not prepared to condemn them because that would mean I believe this type of exchange has relevance Look I can see what you trying to make me see, it does seem like I'm being difficult over what should be a display of reasonable criticism from me. But I really don't get involved at all in GG...so I have no idea of the real background around why they said it ? I don't know TB at all....I know who he is. Of course I personally feel bad for his diagnosis but I am not going to start involving myself or my personal time in this circus again. The majority of people on both sides have no real interest in proper SJ causes and just pay lip service so I spend time elsewhere