Jedi Master D Murda

No. In one cutscene during the game on the EH Bao Dur tells you of the events that happened. It seems that the republic ships were used as bait for the Mandalorians and they "tore" into the Republic ships. The Mandalorians put forth all they had on Malachor V, I even remember in K1 when Canderous says that the ships of both fleets blocked out the stars themselves. Revan was delayed out system by some Mandalorian ships and the Exile gave the command to Bao Dur to use the MSG and they both just looked at each other and the Exile just gave Bao Dur a nod.

Disciple has studied much about the Jedi and the Sith of the past. When he joins your party he tells you lots of stuff on the EH. For example he tells you that he doesn't think Revan was trying to conquer the galaxy, but unify it. He also tells you that someone is creating echoes in the force (Nihilus) and if it isn't stopped it will destroy all life in the galaxy. Somehow or for some reason Kreia has to mask her presence from the Disciple because they seem to know each other quite well, maybe because she was Revan's master.

I like Battle Meditation. The pluses to hits and damage were great just like Inspire Others.

*points and laughs* Murda's Man has skank on his face! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe that's what Revan looks like after five years.

I knew there was supposed to be a fifth asian face. That's cool.

There are a lot of screenshots that have been shown but are not in the game... like that one.

I would like another one. One set many years after the events of Revan.

I like the random item merchants. It's not every game that I get a robe from Peragus Station or the Harbinger so when I get to Sahman I save and reload till I get an appropriate robe.

Well it is coming out later this year I just bought an Xbox and haven't even had for a year now. But if K3, which is still in work it's just been postponed, comes out it will be for Xbox 2.

I don't think Nihilus was a true Sith, he just learned the greatest of their teachings. When you tell Kreia that the Sith have already attacked the Republic she tells you that you are wrong, that the Sith is an ideal or belief and that the true Sith lies beyond the Outer Rim. I've played the game well enough and I don't remember anything saying that Revan might return, it's not even hinted at. Most of those who were close to Revan like some "old companions" tell you that they don't think Revan might make it back.

I've experimented with that dumb Hssiss glitch to get one of the named robes but to no avail. I've played this game a million times and the rarest thing I could find were the Zeison Sha Warrior Armor because it is nowhere to be found definate like the Jedi or Dark Jedi Master Robes *cough* Vrook, Sion *cough*. Guess I'll have to keep trying.

I always thought that when the Ebon Hawk "Dies" that the crew was awake and trying to get it up and running. After you kill Kreia, LS, they go to the middle of the planet where Mira might have located you by then and you hop aboard and leave. But from what Kreia says the EH doesn't go straight to the "True Sith" but it goes someplace, maybe Coruscant, to drop off all loved ones, except T3, and then goes to far reaches of space.

He was judged because they thought he gave in to the Dark Side which he never did...and they never wanted to hear his words actually.Also he was Exiled because of the CHOICE he made which I can`t see how it contradicts the Jedi Code. They FEAR him and what he represents and as COWARDS they choose to exile him instead of healing him or trying to understand what actually happened to him <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Council exiles you, sort of, because Zez Kai Ell says that you will affect them and make them change. Maybe he is talking about you not living with the force and this might rub off on them and this is horrific to them because they live their whole lives seeing through the force.

I couldn't agree with you more. Man this topic reached 30 pages (w00t)

The Obi Wan-esque face was nice but all the black guys looked horrible. They even took my Revan's face and put a disgusting looking beard and named him Captain Riiken. Man they destroyed that face.

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I've been able to unlock that. It's pretty good stuff as well. You have to get to that question before he actually joins your party when you meet him in the Enclave sublevel. You can also do this with a male as well.

I really hope George destroys the EU interpretation of the Sith as creatures that interbred with Jedi. If it's one thing I hate in the EU it's the fact that the Sith were a specie that is now extinct . "The Sith is an ideal"

LOL, I noticed that too but never said anything. Just one of those little things that can irk someone.

I know how to gain influence with Goto. It's a matter of how to open up new dialogue. I gained lots of influence with him but could only say "I wanted to talk about Vogga".

Why do people keep insisting that Revan was only trying to save the Republic? Revan was cold, heartless, and a Sith to his core. He cared nothing about the Republic government, He wanted power because he knew he could take it. He had no problem razing planets and killing innocents, as long as his goals were forwarded. The halogram on Kasyyk in KotOR 1 helps explain Revan's persona, thoughts, ideas, and ideals. I do not understand how many people after KotOR 2 draw to the conclusion that Revan fell to the Darkside and attacked the Republic simply and only in order to save it from the "True Sith". That is not really what KotOR 2 describes. That was simply one reason. Revan believed only HE was strong enough to lead against the "True Sith", this arrogance bred a lust for power, and that lead him to the Darkside. Once fallen he would do anything to achieve his goals, why do you think he would be upset if Malak razed a planet? He razed many when he lead the invasion of the Republic. Revan and Vader were both fascists, believing that what they were doing was good for the whole. No person believes themselves to be evil, it is all point of view. As for Malak, I believe he just didnt care about Revan's plans. Malak wanted power, and he didnt care how he got it, or what he had to do to get it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Us people keep insisting that Revan was trying to save the Republic because of the dialogues in K2 silly . Did you not have the cutscene dialogue when the Disciple says that Revan was trying to unify, not conquer, the Republic against something. Plus you ask Kreia why did Revan fall and she says "Fall? Ah you presume much" she says that it is hard to differentiate a fall and a sacrifice. Revan sacrificed himself to the Darkside to protect the Republic, like someone said Revan was a patriot just like Goto in a way. And Kreia states that Revan's actions were always his own and not like someone possessed. True that Revan believes that that he is only the strong one that can stop the Ture Sith but look at what the Council did when the Mandalorians started attacking, they wanted to see the real threat, which there was one, but Revan saw things differently than the Council. What's your evidence for this? I don't remember them ever saying something to that effect. And the fact that Carth does not bring up the fact that Revan was in command and therefore responsible for Malak and Saul's actions when it is pointed out to him that Malak, not Revan gave the order, is to me fairly strong evidence that the Destruction of Telos happened after Revan's capture. Why do people keep insisting that Revan was only trying to save the Republic? Revan was cold, heartless, and a Sith to his core. He cared nothing about the Republic government, He wanted power because he knew he could take it. He had no problem razing planets and killing innocents, as long as his goals were forwarded. The halogram on Kasyyk in KotOR 1 helps explain Revan's persona, thoughts, ideas, and ideals. I do not understand how many people after KotOR 2 draw to the conclusion that Revan fell to the Darkside and attacked the Republic simply and only in order to save it from the "True Sith". That is not really what KotOR 2 describes. That was simply one reason. Revan believed only HE was strong enough to lead against the "True Sith", this arrogance bred a lust for power, and that lead him to the Darkside. Once fallen he would do anything to achieve his goals, why do you think he would be upset if Malak razed a planet? He razed many when he lead the invasion of the Republic. Revan and Vader were both fascists, believing that what they were doing was good for the whole. No person believes themselves to be evil, it is all point of view. As for Malak, I believe he just didnt care about Revan's plans. Malak wanted power, and he didnt care how he got it, or what he had to do to get it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With regards to the hologram on Kashyyk, there is something to that argument, but there are some possibilities. Revan programmed that hologram in the presence of Malak. If Revan was only putting on the appearance of being evil, she could quite easily program the hologram to give the impression that she was evil in order to fool Malak into thinking that she really was. One could also chalk it up to the fact that every bad guy in KotOR 1 was a thug bent on hurting as many people as possible, and such things might have been retconned had KotOR 2's tale of moral ambiguity after ambiguity been planned from the start. As to how one would draw such a conclusion, there are many points in the dialogue (at least if you chose Revan to be a light sider) where it is suggested such when people are discussing Revan in game. And as to Revan believing that only she was strong enough to lead the Republic against the True Sith, the fact is that she was probably right. Given all Canderous' descriptions of the situation in the Mandalorian wars, it seems clear to me that since only Revan could beat the Mandalorians, only Revan would be able to beat the True Sith. And there are two other factors at work: The Outer Rim. I remember something in Canderous' description of the wars about the Republic doing nothing while the Mandalorians attacked worlds on the Outer Rim that were not part of the Republic, and that gave them a strong position from which to launch an attack against the Republic. If such a thing were to happen with the True Sith, nothing would be able to stop them. And it does not seem all too unlikely. The True Sith could easily go after the Lesser Sith Empire first, and is the Republic going to rush to the defence of its hated enemy? Also, the Star Forge. The Star Forge is a factory fueled by the Dark Side of the force. The Star Forge could be instrumental in winning the war against the True Sith. Now, Revan could turn the location of the Star Forge over to the Republic, and the Republic is probably smart enough that they would use it. The problem would be the Jedi Council. A factory whose very walls reverberate with the Dark Side? Even if it was against the wishes of the Republic, it does not seem so implausible that the Jedi would take action to destroy such an evil creation. And if Revan wanted to stop the True Sith, she wouldn't allow that possibility. So, if Revan wants to save the Republic, or at least the people in it, what option is she left with? If she returns to the republic and tells all, the Order might destroy the Star Forge, and the Republic might not respond to the True Sith until it is too late. Even if she's at the head of the military, she might not be able to win. If she stands by and does nothing, well, that's just as bad. The only other option is to apply an external force to the Republic that will put her in a position to defeat the True Sith. And that was what she did. Are there ifs, buts, and maybes in this theory? Most certainly. But at the very least, the question of Revan's evil is open to interpretation, and isn't a situation where one could catagorically state that Revan was good or was evil. I see from review of the topic that my original comment wasn't quite as much a statement of opinion that in hindsight I'd like it to be. In my opinion, and according to my interpretation of the story, Revan was an anti-hero, not a villain. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have to agree with basically everything you said. That is true. Revan turned to save the Republic but would he have been strong enough to turn from the DS I doubt it. He probably would have set himself up like the Emperor did. I think Revan didn't care much for those in the Republic but the Republic itself and wanted that protected and that's why he killed so many people. Good question. I believe a "fall" is defined by the Jedi Council, any of those that do not abide by the Code has fallen but their definition is strict and arrogant because those outside the Order probably know more of what a fall is. For example the Council thinks that love can cause you to fall though they never experienced it to know but Jolee did. That is why Jolee's beliefs are more understandable than the Council because it is less strict. I believe that when Revan discovered the first Star Map on Dantooine is when he started to fall. Although it could have been the teachings of the Order like the Disciple refers to all the time. It is true that Qui Gon often defied the Council but that was then and in this time the Council seems more strict.

It does say in the game that Sion and Nihilus betrayed Traya because they wanted to kill the Jedi. Their mommy said no so they beat her up, stripped her of the force and started their shadow war against the Jedi. Maybe the True Sith Empire is somewhat like Palpatine's empire. {Just some rambling}

Unfortunately, I can't put up the mp3 because my host doesn't allow mp3 files... that's why I converted them to windows media. If you download the mac version of the windows media player, I'm guessing it should play fine. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here. I know what it feels like to have something just out of your reach - I converted them into mp3s. By the way, umm... would it be too much to ask if somebody could put up files of when Atton falls to the Darkside attacks Disciple? I'd be forever grateful... Please... Atton's Death Atton Tags Along --Both files will be up for about seven days only. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> One those files would explain the "bittersweet" ending one of the devs, think it was Akari, was talking about. Atton dying like that would have been sad. The more things I read on this board the more and more disappointed I am with K2. Unbelievable!

How did you unlock his backstory? He's the only one that I haven't been able to unlock.